official Nazi letter listing number of cremations in 24hrs!

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official Nazi letter listing number of cremations in 24hrs!

Postby David » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri May 28, 2004 11:38 am)

Here is evidence that Nazis gassed Jews. Why else would they wonder how many people can be cremated in 1 single day?!!!

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It can be found if one scrolls down to the middle of this page:
http://nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/leuchter-faq-08.html

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri May 28, 2004 1:59 pm)

Mattogno refutes this memo in:
»Schlüsseldokument« - eine alternative Interpretation (in German)
http://www.vho.org/VffG/2000/1/Mattogno51-56.html

The stated cremation capacity is exaggerated and could not be obtained with the available technology at that time , nor can it be done with todays computer controlled gas heated automatic crematorium ovens either.

What I don't understand is, what the crematorium capacity has to do with the existence of homicidal gas chambers?

Even if a cremation oven were capable of burning 1 million corpses in ten minutes, that does not prove the existence of a homicidal gas chamber, IMO.

Where am I wrong?

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Postby David » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri May 28, 2004 3:15 pm)

Sailor,
First, what does IMO mean?
Look, it's not normal to be asking how many corpses can be burned in a 24 hour period. That's shady.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri May 28, 2004 5:59 pm)

IMO = In My Opinion.

Mattogno believes, that the letter was not signed by Jährling, who is the expert for heating and ventilation systems in Auschwitz, but by someone else.

The letter was addressed to:
SS-Wirtschafts-Verwaltung,
Amtsgruppenchef C SS-Brigadefrer und Generalmajor Dr. Ing. Kammler.

According to Mattogno, it was mandatory at that time to inform this man about the completion of any completed project, without the technical details.

This letter survived in three different versions, Mattogno assumes that two versions are simply transcripts of the original.

He assumes that the letter was written by a newcomer to the camp, and that it should have been signed by Bischoff.

To assume that the cremation ovens could run 24 hours a day, 30 days a month and 12 months per year without interruption is simply wrong.

The identical same Topf designed ovens were already installed and working in KZ`Buchenwald, without this huge cremation capacity.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri May 28, 2004 8:14 pm)

David presented and declared:

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Here is evidence that Nazis gassed Jews. Why else would they wonder how many people can be cremated in 1 single day?!!!

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This letter didn't show up until somewhere around the 60s. It came from the source - communist government of the USSR. The same one that committed the slaughter at the Katyn forest, blamed it on the Germans and when the communist government fell the new government admitted to the crime.

Now if David or anyone else can show proof that the cremation ovens could attain numbers like the phony letter says then that would be a starting point. But, alas, no one can utilize the more or less infallible laws of physics or laws of god to show any of it was possible.

Forging letters and such is one thing, showing them to hold something credible in a scientific manner is another.

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Postby code yellow » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sat May 29, 2004 8:33 am)

:? Possibly because of the huge amount of inmates dying from various diseases they took into consideration the amounts of further deaths ,because of the lack of being able to control these epidemics,could cause big problems,even to themselves,especialy because of the fact that cremation was the best way to dispose of the contaminated corpses.It seams sensilble to me that creamation of the dead from these various diseases makes the most sense in doing whatever they could to keep these outbrakes under control as much as they possibly could.The above letter proves nothing about extermination.You're reacing.

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Postby Trojan » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:03 am)

TMoran comments and declares:

[quote="TMoran"

Now if David or anyone else can show proof that the cremation ovens could attain numbers like the phony letter says then that would be a starting point. But, alas, no one can utilize the more or less infallible laws of physics or laws of god to show any of it was possible.

Forging letters and such is one thing, showing them to hold something credible in a scientific manner is another.[/quote]

How do you know for certain that the letter is a forgery? What evidence do you have?

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No forgery

Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:47 pm)

Mattogno writes, that this document is no forgery:

THE AUSCHWITZ CENTRAL CONSTRUCTION HEADQUARTERS LETTER
DATED 28 JUNE 1943: AN ALTERNATIVE INTERPRETATION

http://www.russgranata.com/lalett.html

German:
»Schlüsseldokument« - eine alternative Interpretation
http://vho.org/VffG/2000/1/Mattogno51-56.html

Mattogno writes:
The letter was found in Feb 1945. It is no forgery because in the same period the Russian Commission alledged a twice higher number of burned corpses per day. This document was written by an unexperienced assistant and never sent to the addressee.

"The most obvious conclusion we come to from the observations given above, is that the author of this letter did not have much familiarity with the technicalities of crematoria Leistung, and still less with the bureaucratic procedures which were in force, and that presumably it was a person coming from a Sachgebiet (specialty field) other than the Zentralbauleitung, and still inexperienced in the bureaucratic procedures of his new job, perhaps typically SS-Sturmmann Nestripke. The author of the letter would then have added on his own initiative to the communication of the Fertigstellung the non-requested information concerning crematoria Leistung, based upon the Erläuterungsbericht of 30 October 1941, because - as revealed by Pressac - the Leistung of the ovens had to correspond bureaucratically to that indicated in this document. It would therefore not be a matter of intentional "exaggeration" to brag about the performance of the assumed extermination machinery at Auschwitz, but only of a simple question of bureaucratic coherence."

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:57 pm)

Sailor states:
Mattogno believes, that the letter was not signed by Jährling, who is the expert for heating and ventilation systems in Auschwitz, but by someone else.

The letter was addressed to:
SS-Wirtschafts-Verwaltung,
Amtsgruppenchef C SS-Brigadefrer und Generalmajor Dr. Ing. Kammler.

According to Mattogno, it was mandatory at that time to inform this man about the completion of any completed project, without the technical details.

This letter survived in three different versions, Mattogno assumes that two versions are simply transcripts of the original.

He assumes that the letter was written by a newcomer to the camp, and that it should have been signed by Bischoff.

To assume that the cremation ovens could run 24 hours a day, 30 days a month and 12 months per year without interruption is simply wrong.

The identical same Topf designed ovens were already installed and working in KZ`Buchenwald, without this huge cremation capacity.


With all that in mind, the piece of paper sure looks fishy to me.

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Postby Maly Jacek » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:28 am)

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p303_Aynat.html

As for the crematory furnaces, there exists a letter of 28 June 1943 from the director of the Central Construction Office of the Waffen-SS and Police, Auschwitz (Zentralbauleitung der WagendS und Polizei Auschwitz) to SS-Sturmbannführer Bischoff in which he indicates the capacity of the crematoriums of Auschwitz-Birkenau. With regard to the crematoriums in which we are interested here, he says:

II. new crematorium (Birkenau) 1,440 cadavers
5 crematories-3 muffle furnaces

III. new crematorium (Bikenau) 1,440 cadavers
5 crematories-3 muffle furnaces[18]

The stated cremation capacity corresponds to a time span of twenty-four hours. Therefore each muffle furnace would have to consume ninety-six cadavers per day, or, put another way, one cadaver every fifteen minutes. This is an absurd figure, as a majority of the Revisionist authors have made clear. Stäglich states that "the incineration of a body in an ultramodern crematory furnace takes an hour and a half to two hours." [19] For Italian researcher C. Mattogno, who cites as reference the Enciclopedia Italiana, "cremation of a cadaver lasts 60-75 minutes, with a consumption of about 300 kgs. of wood in gasoline furnaces; an hour and a half to two hours, with a consumption of 100-150 kgs. of bundles of kindling in direct combustion furnaces." [20] For his part, Professor Faurisson states that in "the present-day crematorium of Charlottenburg-Spandau, each furnace burns no more than 15 to 17 cadavers in 24 hours." [21] L.A. Rollins culls the following information published by the Los Angeles Times: "In the cremation process, a corpse is put into a furnace and subjected to a temperature of nearly 2,000 degrees for a period of two or three hours." [22] The shortest incineration period we have been able to find is from "50 to 80 minutes." [23]


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