Ken Livingstone suspended from Labour party for anti-semitic outbursts.

[borjastick]

A brief background for those who don't know who Ken Livingstone is.

Ken Livingstone is a British Labour party senior. He was mayor of London during the 80s and was dubbed Red Ken. He's an engaging fellow and despite being of a different political persuasion to me I have always had a soft spot for him. I lived and worked in London for many years and thus his influence over London touched my life a lot.

He has always had a firebrand spark inside him and often gets into trouble with his comments, usually at a speech or with a TV mic in his face.

Some months ago he went off on one and declared Hitler was a a Zionist and had supported the emigration of German jews to Palestine prior to world war 2. This caused the usual snowflakes to get up scream to all and sundry, usually with a mic in their faces. The air of jewish offence was palpable...

Livingstone was accused of being a Hitler supporter and all manner of stuff. But, to his credit, he stuck to his guns and maintained that what he had said was correct, which indeed it was.

He was suspended from the party while an investigation was carried out and yesterday after a hearing he was further suspended from the party but not expelled as the enemies of free speech had demanded. Outrage ensued, outrage I tell you!

The jews are not happy.

Here's this from the BBC website
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39499640

The Chief Rabbi has accused Labour of "failing the Jewish community" by not expelling Ken Livingstone.

The former London mayor was suspended from the party for two years on Tuesday for comments he made about Adolf Hitler and Zionism.

Ephraim Mirvis said the decision "yet again failed to show" that the party is "sufficiently serious about tackling the scourge of anti-Semitism".

Mr Livingstone said he will launch a campaign to overturn the suspension.

Livingstone suspended again by Labour

The row first erupted in April last year when Mr Livingstone was defending Bradford West MP Naz Shah over claims she had made anti-Semitic social media posts.

He said: "When Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews."

He has repeatedly defended his version of events, saying there had been "real collaboration" between Nazis and Zionists before World War Two.

While on this morning's Sunrise Sky News tv show Karen (I lie for a living) Pollack of the Holocaust Educational Trust while accusing Livingstone of lying, lied with a straight face live on tv. She shouted that Hitler was an anti semite, that jews never collaborated with him and they were (of course) the victims, that 6m had been killed by Hitler in the holocaust. Every one of those statements was a lie.

It makes me so angry when they claim their feelings are hurt and they then lie and lie trying to prove that someone else had lied!

The jews absolutely collaborated with Hitler's regime before the war, I have many quotes in several books taken directly from meetings and speeches of the time to prove it.

Why Livingstone says all this stuff though is perhaps the more interesting question...

[hermod]

Livingstone was accused of being a Hitler supporter

Of course, Livingstone didn't say that to support Hitler but to attack Israel and its policies by linking Zionism with Nazism. Mere usual reductio ad Hitlerum. Unlike most of time, a factually correct reductio ad Hitlerum this time, but a reductio ad Hitlerum nevertheless. Mr. Livingstone has just learned that one can't play the Nazi card in today's Britain in order to harm the state of Israel or Zionist interests in general. Totally verboten. One is allowed to play the Nazi card only to advance the Zionist-Globalist agenda, not to impede it...

[Turpitz]

Hitler, coming to a convenient arrangement with Organized Jewry, in order to facilitate their much deserved expulsion from Germany as orderly as possible is hardly the makings of a wannabe Zionist who had Jewry's ambitions and goals at heart. That's like suggesting the non-aggression pact with Russia made Hitler a commie who wanted to join the NKVD.
Still, it gives us all a chance to listen to this weeks installment of virtuous, cultural-Marxists wailing 'anti-Semite' from the roof-tops.

[Hektor]

A brief background ....
The row first erupted in April last year when Mr Livingstone was defending Bradford West MP Naz Shah over claims she had made anti-Semitic social media posts.

He said: "When Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews."

He has repeatedly defended his version of events, saying there had been "real collaboration" between Nazis and Zionists before World War Two.

While on this morning's Sunrise Sky News tv show Karen (I lie for a living) Pollack of the Holocaust Educational Trust while accusing Livingstone of lying, lied with a straight face live on tv. She shouted that Hitler was an anti semite, that jews never collaborated with him and they were (of course) the victims, that 6m had been killed by Hitler in the holocaust. Every one of those statements was a lie.

It makes me so angry when they claim their feelings are hurt and they then lie and lie trying to prove that someone else had lied!

The jews absolutely collaborated with Hitler's regime before the war, I have many quotes in several books taken directly from meetings and speeches of the time to prove it.

Why Livingstone says all this stuff though is perhaps the more interesting question...[/quote]

Actually NSDAP policy was that Jews could not be German citizens and that Jews should be removed from German society, especially from positions of power and influence. Where they were to go wasn't really Hitler's business. He never "went mad and killed six million Jews". Jews were deported and interned during the war though. Jews that were engaged in partisan warfare had a good chance of getting killed by the Germans as well.

There was collaboration between National Socialists and Zionists. There were Zionist training camps for Jews in Germany. Jews were also part of the administration of Ghettos and concentration camps.


The thing with Jews lying is that they'll mostly twist facts and statements to make people believe things that suit their agenda. They rarely make dumbfounded statements that are obviously untrue. Except perhaps, when such statements are widely believed anyway, but then it's not "obviously untrue".

This guys statements on the NS-Zionist relationship doesn't fit the agenda. It's the Holocaust of innocent Jews by evil Nazis that has to mud the waters first. After that the ad Nazium or ad Hitlerum arguments are used against any self-preservation of White people, which is denounced as "racism", "bigotry", or "Anti-semitism".

Most people ate this bullshit for candy and now are puzzled by this and its effect. "Can't we be patriots, without being Nazis". In theory yes, of course, but in practice be certain that those from the globalist left and their allies will throw the Nazi-card at you or at least use the background thought of it to imply association.

[cold beer]

What kind of free nation denies it's elected representatives freedom of speech?

[borjastick]

Yesterday Ken Livingstone resigned from the British Labour party. He said all the trouble around his statements a year or two ago, which he has repeated since, were a distraction from what the party should be doing. This comes after a recent announcement that Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour party leader stated he will definitely stamp out anti-semitism.

The main claim from Mr Livingstone was that Hitler was a Zionist in as much as he supported it by allowing jews to leave Germany pre war under the Haavara agreement. I would accept that it was an odd thing to say and his phrasing was strange. Saying that Hitler 'supported zionism' when pitched against a background of the holocaust was always going to stir the pot somewhat.

But was Livingstone wrong, did Hitler and his Nazi establishment support the emigration of jews from Germany to other parts of the globe including of course Palestine?

Yes.

Clear proof is to be found because the Germany zionist organisations worked with the German government to establish the Haavara agreement and the systems to enable its smooth operation.

But more than that two very senior officials, Alfred Rosenberg and none other than Reinhard Heydrich both made statements in support of zionism and the jews.

We must separate Jewry into two categories...the Zionists and those who favor being assimilated. The Zionists adhere to a strict racial position and by emigrating to Palestine they are helping to build their own jewish state... Our good wishes together with our official good will go with them. - Reinhard Heydrich 1935

Source The Founding Myths of Modern Israel p37 taken from Zionism in the age of the dictators - Lenni Brenner 1983

Rosenberg said a very similar thing, so there you have it official good will to zionists and zionism from almost the very top of the Nazi Party machine, thus Hitler must have been in agreement.