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'Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline

Postby Hannover » 2 years 3 months ago (Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:25 pm)

Here we have True Believer 'Nessie' giving us what he considers to be proof of the so called 'holocaust'. Naturally there are 'six'. :roll:
These were posted at a less rigorous, lower quality discussion forum where dodging, name calling, subject changing, etc. are the norm.

All points have been covered at this forum rather thoroughly, so have a look below and have at it.
Please give the corresponding number to the point/s you are responding to.

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Nessie wrote:The evidence which provides the proof that the Nazi policy towards the Jewish people and others such as the Roma gypsies included mass murder comes from;

1- the evidence to prove the number killed at TII primarily comes from documentation such as Hofle's telegram, Korherr, the Gazenmuller Letter, the Stroop Report and ghetto records. It is supported by the less numerically reliable witness testimony of those at the camp and Zabecki, the Treblinka station master. It is then supported again by the lack of Jewish people returning back to their homes in the towns and cities which were cleared by the Nazis and their Jewish population sent to TII. That evidence and proof is then verified by the lack of any evidence at all for anything other than limited arrivals at other camps of Jews from TII who were selected to work.

2 - the evidence as to why they were killed comes from Nazi anti-Semitic propaganda, the Nuremberg Laws, the Lebensraum policy and Nazi plans to liquidate Jews by Special Treatment and other evidence which shows mass killing was an accepted part of the ethnic cleansing Nazi occupied Europe of Jewish people. Documents such as Wannsee and Goebbels diary prove the Nazis wanted Jews to work and those who were not needed or could not work were expected to die. Killing those who could not provide for the State was also part of the T4 action.

3 - the cause of death, by gassing at various camps is primarily from witnesses who say that is how it was done. It is supported by, for example the lack of bullets at TII and the skulls which were recovered had no bullet wounds. It is further supported by corroboration from other camps that was the method used.

4 - The presence of cremated remains and no mass graves full of corpses at the AR camps corroborates the witness claims that the bodies were exhumed from mass graves, cremated and their cremains were buried there. The cremated remains in themselves and on their own do not show what the cause of death was, who those people were and where they came from.

5- The work by Kola at Belzec which has established rough dimensions of areas of disturbed ground of c21,000m3 gives an approximate idea of the size and location of the original mass graves which were dug to bury corpses, before cremation of remains became the means of disposal.

6 - The cremation of remains is part of the evidence that the Nazis tried to cover up their crime by making body counts, the precise cause of death and identification of individual victims impossible.
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Re: 'Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline

Postby Rmbrmb21 » 2 years 3 months ago (Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:08 pm)

I'll leave the other points to the more experienced, but I did notice that no. 3 is quite an assumption.

"the cause of death, by gassing at various camps is primarily from witnesses who say that is how it was done. It is supported by, for example the lack of bullets at TII and the skulls which were recovered had no bullet wounds. It is further supported by corroboration from other camps that was the method used"

Since the skulls have no bullet holes, that means they were gassed? Of all the other ways a person can die that doesn't involve a bullet in your head, he assumes, instantly, that they were killed with gas. I don't get it.

In his first point he even says: "supported by the less numerically reliable witness testimony of those at the camp". But then turns around in point 3 and accepts witnesses testimony without a second thought because they camp from a different camp. I don't get that either.

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Re: 'Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline

Postby Atigun » 2 years 3 months ago (Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:08 pm)

I'll take on Nessie's number 4. Nessie states.

"4 - The presence of cremated remains and no mass graves full of corpses at the AR camps corroborates the witness claims that the bodies were exhumed from mass graves, cremated and their cremains were buried there."

The problem is not any mass graves full of corpses but the absence of any mass graves. Excavations of the size described by Wiernik and Rajchman would be readily discernible to GPR or other high tech geophysical equipment. Once such excavations are dug, they don't simply go away even if they are filled up with the dirt that was originally excavated. The earth strata, once disturbed, stay that way.

Then we have the presence of cremated remains. There may be some cremains to be found at T-II but their age is problematical. Jews have been dumping the cremains of family members at Treblinka for an unknown period of time. That and the fact that the ~850,000 people would result in over 2,000 TONS of cremains, not just a handful picked up on the surface of the site.

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Re: 'Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline

Postby Hannover » 2 years 3 months ago (Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:05 am)

Nessie said:
1- the evidence to prove the number killed at TII primarily comes from documentation such as Hofle's telegram, Korherr, the Gazenmuller Letter, the Stroop Report and ghetto records. It is supported by the less numerically reliable witness testimony of those at the camp and Zabecki, the Treblinka station master. It is then supported again by the lack of Jewish people returning back to their homes in the towns and cities which were cleared by the Nazis and their Jewish population sent to TII. That evidence and proof is then verified by the lack of any evidence at all for anything other than limited arrivals at other camps of Jews from TII who were selected to work.

Nessie's cited:
Hofle's telegram, Korherr Report, the Gazenmuller Letter, the Stroop Report" debunk themselves.

See here for information what is contained in this laughable "Stroop Report", an embellished memorial book kept by a German officer that has been hilariously altered / added to.
see:
Stroop Report: A Fraud
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4444

The Hofle telegram says nothing about killing anyone, merely those transported, see:
'Grubach's Letters to David Irving on the Hoefle telegram'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4563

The Korherr Report is explained by Richard Korherr himself.
The well-known, racially persecuted writer H.G. Adler, previously resident in Prague, now in London, wrote in the foreword to the second edition to his extraordinary book Theresienstadt 1941-1945 in 1960:

"It has definitely been determined that the designation of Dr. Korherr as SS-statistician...is not true, because he never belonged to the SS and has been rehabilitated insofar as his behaviour in the National Socialist years is concerned."

Unfortunately, Der Spiegel is publishing the claim of the English historian Irving that in the spring of 1942, at Himmler's order, I calculated the number of Jewish victims. In fact, these figures along with the text were delivered to me in completed form by the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA) with the order that not one word or figure was to be changed.

The statement that I had claimed in this regard that more than a million Jews had died as a result of special treatment in the camps in German-occupied Poland and in the Warthegau is also incorrect. I have to protest against the word "died" in this context.

It was precisely the term "special treatment" (sonderbehandlung) that motivated me to inquire of the RSHA by telephone what this term meant. I received the answer that it referred to Jews who would be settled in the District of Lublin.

Dr. Richard Korherr
Braunschweig
Nr. 28, July 1977, p. 72-74, Der SPIEGEL, an article commenting on the controversy surrounding David Irving's book "Hitler's War" under the title : HITLER -- Kecke Revision.
Korherr's letter appears among a series of reactions ("Hitler gegen Irving") by people like Robert M. W. Kempner or the historians John Toland and Hans-Heinrich Wilhelm An English translation of the letter was presented during Udo Walendy's testimony at the Zündel trial 1988.

Search Korherr Report at this forum for much more.

As for the Ganzenmuller Letter which only speaks of transporting Jews see:
'The Ganzenmuller Letter'
viewtopic.php?t=10360

Nessie craps out on his proof for no. 1 and must resort to the illogical canard: 'Where did they go then?'.
Funny, since Jews claim that they went to enormous mass graves which cannot be shown.
see:
'J. Graf and the illogical canard: 'Where did Jews go then?' / & more'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272

More to come.

- Hannover

We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: 'Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline

Postby borjastick » 2 years 3 months ago (Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:21 am)

Generally speaking I am guessing that the reason he posts this stuff elsewhere is that he won't be challenged there or is preaching to the stupid and converted.

On point one I notice he refers to the Ganzenmuller letter which is used sometimes as a proof that jews were sent to treblinka and by extension murdered there.

deathcamps.org says this
On 28 July 1942 he wrote a letter to SS-Obergruppenführer Karl Wolff, member of the personal staff of Himmler. Subject: Deportation trains to Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka.


What they ignore of course, because it suits their case not one jot, is Wolff's reply shown here, notice the words say 'this enables us to speed up this movement of population-
ganzenmueller4response.jpg
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So in Wolff's response he talks of population movement not extermination, or special treatment, or any other such claimed code words for murder of the Chosen Ones, but population movement which entirely supports the claims that jews were sent east en masse. Of course Monsieur Nessie ignores this small and of course irrelevant detail.
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Re: 'Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline

Postby hermod » 2 years 3 months ago (Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:01 am)

Looks like a newsletter of the Flat Earth Society. The Earth can't be a moving sphere because any motion at such a speed would bring down people's houses and no human can live upside down for a long time. Yeah ! :roll:

I guess nothing else can be expected from people trying to validate their faith at all costs, at the price of common sense and any alternative explanation to theirs. Monomaniac preconceived deductions at their best...
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Re: 'Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline

Postby CognitiveDestruction » 2 years 3 months ago (Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:38 am)

Hannover, please forgive me if this has been answered already, but something's puzzling me: If Operation Reinhard was a simple transportation of Jews through these camps(train travel being a common aspect of the war), then why give it the code name "Operation Reinhard" in the first place? It doesn't make sense that the NS would make something so simple a secret - unless these Jews vanishing and never being found meant something sinister was taking place.

Not to be insulting, but you seem to be dodging this.

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Re: 'Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline

Postby hermod » 2 years 3 months ago (Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:41 am)

CognitiveDestruction wrote:Hannover, please forgive me if this has been answered already, but something's puzzling me: If Operation Reinhard was a simple transportation of Jews through these camps(train travel being a common aspect of the war), then why give it the code name "Operation Reinhard" in the first place? It doesn't make sense that the NS would make something so simple a secret - unless these Jews vanishing and never being found meant something sinister was taking place.


It was "Operation Reinhardt," not "Operation Reinhard." Named after Fritz Reinhardt, a state secretary in the German Finance Ministry during WW2, not after Reinhard Heydrich as often claimed. "Operation Reinhardt" got that name because the dispossession of the Jewish deportees was part of the process. Nothing secret. Just a name related to the economic side of the program.
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Re: 'Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline

Postby Hannover » 2 years 3 months ago (Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:48 am)

CognitiveDestruction wrote:Hannover, please forgive me if this has been answered already, but something's puzzling me: If Operation Reinhard was a simple transportation of Jews through these camps(train travel being a common aspect of the war), then why give it the code name "Operation Reinhard" in the first place? It doesn't make sense that the NS would make something so simple a secret - unless these Jews vanishing and never being found meant something sinister was taking place.

Not to be insulting, but you seem to be dodging this.

1. To clarify, it's Aktion Reinhardt, not Reinhard.
2. Most operations in war time are given 'code names', of course knowing the locations of the easily viewed AR camps tells us that it wasn't much of a secret.
3. Jews tell us that those Jews vanished into enormous mass graves which do not exist, yet you ask me to to tell you where they went, highly illogical.
Jews obviously went where Jews are. They were pouring out of Europe after the war, hence the Displaced Persons camps. They then poured into Palestine, S. America, the US, stayed in Europe, etc.
And imagine Jews who had been relocated into the USSR during the war trying to get out afterwards, fat chance. Recall the expression: "The Iron Curtain".
However, later, 1970s?, so many Jews were allowed to go to Palestine/Israel, USA from the USSR.
The US Congress even passed legislation allowing them into the US without question.
Of course there is the huge issue of conveniently 'missing' German outbound records from the various AR camps.

recommended:
'J. Graf and the illogical canard: 'Where did Jews go then?' / & more'
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272

Regards, Hannover

If Jews are so sure that millions of Jews were murdered, then why do they ask such dumb questions like "what happened to them"?

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Re: 'Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline

Postby borjastick » 2 years 3 months ago (Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:53 am)

hermod wrote:
CognitiveDestruction wrote:Hannover, please forgive me if this has been answered already, but something's puzzling me: If Operation Reinhard was a simple transportation of Jews through these camps(train travel being a common aspect of the war), then why give it the code name "Operation Reinhard" in the first place? It doesn't make sense that the NS would make something so simple a secret - unless these Jews vanishing and never being found meant something sinister was taking place.


It was "Operation Reinhardt," not "Operation Reinhard." Named after Fritz Reinhardt, a state secretary in the German Finance Ministry during WW2, not after Reinhard Heydrich as often claimed. "Operation Reinhardt" got that name because the dispossession of the Jewish deportees was part of the process. Nothing secret. Just a name related to the economic side of the program.


Yes but even google gets very confused on this issue, see here https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q= ... n+reinhard
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Re: 'Nessie's' SIX 'proofs' of the 'holocaust' storyline

Postby hermod » 2 years 3 months ago (Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:45 pm)

borjastick wrote:Yes but even google gets very confused on this issue, see here https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q= ... n+reinhard


Probably because google has an interest in maintaining the confusion about it. Such misspellings are inevitable with the use of silent letters if I'm asked. The Hoefle telegram even used a third spelling: "Reinhart." But that doesn't prevent the biased exterminationists from using it to 'prove' their dear conspiracy theory on Operation Reinhardt.

Aktion Reinhardt [1986] (English version)

Historian Uwe Dietrich Adam’s admission

Uwe Dietrich Adam was the author of Judenpolitik im Dritten Reich (Düsseldorf, Droste, 1972). He took part in the historians’ symposium at the Sorbonne, held, in camera, from June 29 to July 2, 1982; a book published three years later, L’Allemagne nazie et le génocide juif (Gallimard/Le Seuil, 1985), supposedly reproduces the various conference papers. In his own contribution on “Les chambres à gaz” (p. 236-261), U. D. Adam carried out some interesting revisions of the commonly accepted theory concerning the Aktion Reinhardt. For example, he happened to write:

On this subject, certain enigmas subsist. Thus, contrary to what the majority of historians think, it is not sure that the name of this operation was given to it in memory of Heydrich, who died on July 5, 1942 [error for: June 4, 1942], following an assassination attempt. Likewise, it is difficult to explain the separation in time of the [respective] building works: at Belzec they began in November 1941, at Sobibor in March 1942 and at Treblinka in late May and early June 1942 (p. 246).

In a note, he pointed out:

To use the name of the deceased head of the RSHA [Central Office of Reich Security] would have been not only an inappropriate choice but also an irreverent one: besides, what connection could there have been between the killing of Polish Jews and the Czech perpetrators of the attack? It is surely more likely that the name evokes that of Secretary of State for Finances Fritz Reinhardt, a spelling in fact found in some documents from the Reinhardt operation, about which this writer is currently preparing a monograph (p. 259, n. 70).

Unhappily, U. D. Adam was to die before he could finish that monograph.

http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.be/2009 ... -1986.html
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