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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Hektor » 3 years 7 months ago (Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:43 pm)

Depth Charge wrote:I have difficulty accepting that people who spend thousands of posts (thus probably hundreds of hours) 'debating' the intricacies of this farce, and still maintain that it happened, are doing so in good faith. Especially when said people appear to be reasonably articulate and intelligent. Any honest and halfway intelligent person will deduce the obvious after a few hours non-biased research, moreso for someone who has spent years dissecting it.

Got to admit, that I find this also difficult at times. On the other hand there is the power of paradigm. That means that any old and new information is interpreted in accordance with the paradigm. In that morgues become gas chambers, shower heads become gas application devices. Seriously sick emaciated people, become gas chamber victims. Sonder- words suddenly are all words for extermination, so does Umsiedlung (resettlement). I'm sure you also know examples of this, and I could give others. You may have noticed that any document that seems to support the industrial homicidal gassing thesis is accepted without questioning. And that anything that contradicts that thesis is simply Nazi Propaganda.

So it's not wrong to say that you are dealing with similar phenomena one can observe in religious cults.

But consider other incentives:
- There is no risk in believing in the Holocaust and no obvious gain in openly disputing it.
- Questioning it is intellectual laborious and you may even have to deal with some psychological issues as well.
- Promoting the Holocaust openly is even rewarded, some people make even 'n well paid career out of it.
- Attacking Holocaust deniers is also free of risk - and we no of people were that also involved rewards.


Depth Charge wrote:Therefore I submit that those posting there are deceitful, scumbag zealots. And as such, wasting even 10 minutes of your day on extremists -- and they are extremists -- like this, is pointless. These are the people who probably popped some champagne on the night of 9/11, like their compatriots arrested in New Jersey, then went to work the next day crying crocodile tears. The same type of scum who pull up a couch on a grass hill to celebrate the destruction of Gaza.

These are the people you're dealing with here, and not the type who need to be won over.

Indeed debating with those quibblers and mud-slingers isn't really worth the effort, unless this is for a first time experience. Rather spend your time researching and summarizing serious stuff or have a good meal with a bear.

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Moderator » 3 years 7 months ago (Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:24 pm)

Indeed all, that's why this forum has basic guidelines.
If someone makes a specific "Holocaust" claim they are almost guaranteed to be challenged on it. That is not something they are used to.
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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Metal Murphy » 3 years 7 months ago (Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:07 pm)

Mortimer wrote:
Metal Murphy wrote:Well, for one the Holocaust Controversies crowd posts there.
Another is they all give the mainstream view of the "Holocaust."
It also looks like no Revisionist posts there. It's like they have their own little echo chamber. I've gone through some of their old posts, it looks like a lot of them were banned.

Have you had a look at the International Skeptics forum ? This was formerly the James Randi forum. They have the usual hasbara posters who ignore revisionist arguments but the moderators appear to be a bit more even handed. There is a "holocaust denial" thread in the Conspiracy Theories forum-
http://www.internationalskeptics.com



Yeah, there was a Revisionist named Saggy that was gut punching them.
I didn't join, I don't like the format, it seems clunky. I prefer different threads, not one long one.

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Postby TimeTraveler » 3 years 7 months ago (Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:09 am)

I actually recognize a few of the posters on there because I debate people on YouTube occasionally. Like I recognize the name Denying History he/she has a YouTube channel with some mainstream Holocaust propaganda documentaries. I guess that forum is an exterminationist hang out. There's basically no use in debating them because every time you give them hard facts they always just change the subject to something else and it just goes back and forth forever. Some people just can't accept that the "Holocaust" never happened so they try to defend the official story as much as possible so that they can retreat into their safe space of lies so they won't have to look at how bad the world is right now it makes them feel comfortable even though deep down inside they know it never happened.

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Metal Murphy » 3 years 7 months ago (Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:12 am)

TimeTraveler wrote:I actually recognize a few of the posters on there because I debate people on YouTube occasionally. Like I recognize the name Denying History he/she has a YouTube channel with some mainstream Holocaust propaganda documentaries. I guess that forum is an exterminationist hang out. There's basically no use in debating them because every time you give them hard facts they always just change the subject to something else and it just goes back and forth forever. Some people just can't accept that the "Holocaust" never happened so they try to defend the official story as much as possible so that they can retreat into their safe space of lies so they won't have to look at how bad the world is right now it makes them feel comfortable even though deep down inside they know it never happened.


I sometimes debate on YouTube as well, it's pretty funny. Some of them are pretty ridiculous.

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby HeiligeSturm » 3 years 7 months ago (Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:29 pm)

Mortimer wrote:
Metal Murphy wrote:Well, for one the Holocaust Controversies crowd posts there.
Another is they all give the mainstream view of the "Holocaust."
It also looks like no Revisionist posts there. It's like they have their own little echo chamber. I've gone through some of their old posts, it looks like a lot of them were banned.

Have you had a look at the International Skeptics forum ? This was formerly the James Randi forum. They have the usual hasbara posters who ignore revisionist arguments but the moderators appear to be a bit more even handed. There is a "holocaust denial" thread in the Conspiracy Theories forum-
http://www.internationalskeptics.com

Like I wrote before, they are not REALLY SKEPTIC about anything. Just circle jerking members who call people with names.
James Randi was skeptic. Such a shame the others present forum members are not.
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe


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