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Postby Metal Murphy » 3 years 8 months ago (Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:37 pm)

I recently ran across this forum while doing some research, anyone know anything more about them? I haven't joined, it looks pretty sketchy.
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewforum.php?f=39

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Moderator » 3 years 8 months ago (Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:16 pm)

MM:
Again, tell us why it looks "sketchy".
We want comments, views, etc.
Get with it.
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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Metal Murphy » 3 years 8 months ago (Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:10 pm)

Well, for one the Holocaust Controversies crowd posts there.
Another is they all give the mainstream view of the "Holocaust."
It also looks like no Revisionist posts there. It's like they have their own little echo chamber. I've gone through some of their old posts, it looks like a lot of them were banned.

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Hektor » 3 years 8 months ago (Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:19 am)

Metal Murphy wrote:Well, for one the Holocaust Controversies crowd posts there.
Another is they all give the mainstream view of the "Holocaust."
It also looks like no Revisionist posts there. It's like they have their own little echo chamber. I've gone through some of their old posts, it looks like a lot of them were banned.


We debated the so-called "skeptics" in the past. They are defenders of "main stream" views and attack any deviancy from "academic consensus". So they'll claim the Holocaust to be the truth. Same applies to a number of other subjects like 9/11, Evolution, Ufology, etc.

Their criteria seems to be compliance with consensus of the "authorities". So it's ironic they call themselves skeptic. Because a skeptic used to be someone that doubts widely held opinions and not just parrot popular or dominant one's.

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Lothario » 3 years 8 months ago (Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:53 am)

Some information about the big man behind the skeptic forum, Michael Shermer. Holocaust revisionism and his friendship/relationship with David Cole was his rise to fame. Their relationship was mutual beneficial: Shermer wanted publicity for his magazine and "jewish holocaust denier" Cole could provide that (see their appearance on the Donahue show for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WInpMKHbJUM), while Cole used Shermer to get answers to his questions (http://codoh.com/library/document/987/) from holocaust scholars. Answers that obviously never came.

Shermer turned out to be completely unreliable and therefore Cole started to tape their conversations. He published them twenty years later in his book 'Republican Party Animal) (see http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/5232 and https://vimeo.com/96466031 for more information). Shermer says in private the opposite of what he says pubicly. Only conclusion can be that Shermer is well aware that revisionists are right, but he doesn't dare to go against the mainstream and will do anything to make money and gain prestige.
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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby permanent_denial » 3 years 8 months ago (Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:02 am)

Lothario wrote:Some information about the big man behind the skeptic forum, Michael Shermer. Holocaust revisionism and his friendship/relationship with David Cole was his rise to fame. Their relationship was mutual beneficial: Shermer wanted publicity for his magazine and "jewish holocaust denier" Cole could provide that (see their appearance on the Donahue show for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WInpMKHbJUM), while Cole used Shermer to get answers to his questions (http://codoh.com/library/document/987/) from holocaust scholars. Answers that obviously never came.

Shermer turned out to be completely unreliable and therefore Cole started to tape their conversations. He published them twenty years later in his book 'Republican Party Animal) (see http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/5232 and https://vimeo.com/96466031 for more information). Shermer says in private the opposite of what he says pubicly. Only conclusion can be that Shermer is well aware that revisionists are right, but he doesn't dare to go against the mainstream and will do anything to make money and gain prestige.


Recently David Cole did a series of interviews with Ryan Dawson, owner of the "Anti-Neocon Report" website (http://www.ancreport.com), in which they discuss revisionism and a variety of other topics. Interesting series of interviews, but one in particular focused on the subject of Michael Shermer and includes some of the audio recordings you are alluding to.


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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby borjastick » 3 years 8 months ago (Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:56 am)

I read Cole's Republican Party Animal last year. I really enjoyed it. In fact I would rate it as one of the best books I have read in years. He does make it quite clear at the start that he doesn't discuss his past life and revisionism much at all in the book, though he does give a short chapter to it. He was fairly dismissive of Shermer.

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Hektor » 3 years 8 months ago (Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:56 pm)

Lothario wrote:.....

Shermer turned out to be completely unreliable and therefore Cole started to tape their conversations. He published them twenty years later in his book 'Republican Party Animal) (see http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/5232 and https://vimeo.com/96466031 for more information). Shermer says in private the opposite of what he says pubicly. Only conclusion can be that Shermer is well aware that revisionists are right, but he doesn't dare to go against the mainstream and will do anything to make money and gain prestige.

The Cole video is excellent. Shermer privately believes that the Revisionists are essentially right with their (real) gas chamber skepticism. But publicly he pretends otherwise. I know a few historians that take a similar stance. And I think there are many more that realize that the gas chambers are atrocity propaganda from war time that was kept alive for present and future political purposes. With dire consequences as we know today.

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Mortimer » 3 years 8 months ago (Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:58 pm)

Michael Shermer co wrote a book with Alex Grobman which falsely claimed to debunk the revisionists. There is a critique of it here -
http://codoh.com/library/document/1756/

Shermer debated Mark Weber of the IHR back in 1995. At least he was willing to debate unlike Deborah Lipstadt who acts as if the holocaust is some kind of holy writ that cannot be questioned -
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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby HeiligeSturm » 3 years 8 months ago (Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:31 pm)

I call it Septic(s) Forum because they don't really want to debate about Holocaust and are not skeptical about it's storyline.
It's just a place to keep up the good ol' impossible storyline. There are some active posters who seem to rule the opinions of the matter and call this forum by names. And people who come across that forum believe all what's written there.
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Hektor » 3 years 8 months ago (Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:05 am)

HeiligeSturm wrote:I call it Septic(s) Forum because they don't really want to debate about Holocaust and are not skeptical about it's storyline.
It's just a place to keep up the good ol' impossible storyline. There are some active posters who seem to rule the opinions of the matter and call this forum by names. And people who come across that forum believe all what's written there.

They aren't skeptical about a lot of other issues neither. It's always pushing the narrative or hypothesis that is perceived as main-stream or official.

I won't know what people believe, but I think people may be a bit afraid to question what the "active posters" write. And the Holocaust has got a cloak of authority that comes with it, due to its medial omnipresense. And yes "You are a Nazi", when you question it.

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Metal Murphy » 3 years 7 months ago (Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:38 am)

They do pop in from time to time, I took a look and this was on their front page:

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=28551

Do any of you belong? I'm mulling over joining. It seems to me they shouldn't have it all their way.

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Hektor » 3 years 7 months ago (Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:34 am)

Metal Murphy wrote:They do pop in from time to time, I took a look and this was on their front page:

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=28551

Do any of you belong? I'm mulling over joining. It seems to me they shouldn't have it all their way.


Yeah, the usual drama queens there. My question would be how broad their audience is. I suspect inbreeding among those "skeptics".

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Depth Charge » 3 years 7 months ago (Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:45 am)

I have difficulty accepting that people who spend thousands of posts (thus probably hundreds of hours) 'debating' the intricacies of this farce, and still maintain that it happened, are doing so in good faith. Especially when said people appear to be reasonably articulate and intelligent. Any honest and halfway intelligent person will deduce the obvious after a few hours non-biased research, moreso for someone who has spent years dissecting it.

Therefore I submit that those posting there are deceitful, scumbag zealots. And as such, wasting even 10 minutes of your day on extremists -- and they are extremists -- like this, is pointless. These are the people who probably popped some champagne on the night of 9/11, like their compatriots arrested in New Jersey, then went to work the next day crying crocodile tears. The same type of scum who pull up a couch on a grass hill to celebrate the destruction of Gaza.

These are the people you're dealing with here, and not the type who need to be won over.

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Re: Skeptics Forum

Postby Mortimer » 3 years 7 months ago (Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:17 am)

Metal Murphy wrote:Well, for one the Holocaust Controversies crowd posts there.
Another is they all give the mainstream view of the "Holocaust."
It also looks like no Revisionist posts there. It's like they have their own little echo chamber. I've gone through some of their old posts, it looks like a lot of them were banned.

Have you had a look at the International Skeptics forum ? This was formerly the James Randi forum. They have the usual hasbara posters who ignore revisionist arguments but the moderators appear to be a bit more even handed. There is a "holocaust denial" thread in the Conspiracy Theories forum-
http://www.internationalskeptics.com
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