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Re: Industry's Andrew Mathis & Roberto Muehlenkamp claim patch of dirt holds remains of 100,000 at Ponar, Lithuania

Postby roberto » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:12 am)

[Note to Muehlenkamp about this post & others:
"Roberto:
You have been challenged to actually show us a verifiable excavations and the huge amount of human remains that you allege.
Your recent posting of various 'walls of text' which do not address those challenges are simply dodges and below the standards of this forum.
However, I have left the photos that you do think prove your claims about Ponar.
Cheers, M1"]

We now get to what are probably the most interesting images in the Yad Vashem collection of photos captioned as having been taken at Ponary.

OS 1: Image
YV Item ID: 22292
YV Title: Ponary, Poland, Lithuanian militiamen leading Jews to the murder site in the forest, 1941.
YV Archival Signature: A2725/22
YV Name of submitter: Dr. Krakowski
YV Source: Ludwigsburg - Willi Dressen
YV Credit: Bundesarchiv
YV Photographer: Otto Schroff
YV additional info: This photograph was taken in July 1941 by Otto Schroff, a member of the 96th Infantry Division of the Wehrmacht, who witnessed the killing of around 400 Jews at Paneriai on three consecutive days.


OS 2: Image
YV Item ID: 26903
YV Title: Ponary, Poland, Lithuanian militiamen marching Jews, with their heads covered, to their deaths, 1941.
YV Archival Signature: 4613/916
YV Photographer: Otto Schroff
YV additional info: This photograph was taken in July 1941 by Otto Schroff, a member of the 96th Infantry Division of the Wehrmacht, who witnessed the killing of around 400 Jews at Paneriai on three consecutive days.


OS 2a: Image
YV Item ID: 22937
YV Title: Ponary, Poland, Lithuanian militia leading Jews with hoods on their heads to the place of their execution, 1941.
YV Archival Signature: B2725/22
YV Name of submitter: Dr. Krakowski
YV Source: Ludwigsburg - Willi Dressen
YV Credit: Bundesarchiv
YV Photographer: Otto Schroff
YV additional info: This photograph was taken in July 1941 by Otto Schroff, a member of the 96th Infantry Division of the Wehrmacht, who witnessed the killing of around 400 Jews at Paneriai on three consecutive days.


There are two photos in the Yad Vashem archives showing scenes similar to those described by Pflüger, Hamann and Schroff, but apparently taken by someone other than Schroff (though one is captioned as being from Schroff), as Schroff only mentioned two photos in his testimony.

Image
YV Item ID: 100107
YV Title: Ponary, Poland, Jews who were led to the place they will be executed by Lithuanian militiamen, 1941.
YV Archival Signature: 75FO4
YV Credit: Yad Vashem
YV Places: Ponary,Wilno,Wilno,Poland
YV Photographer: Otto Schroff
YV additional info: This photograph was taken in July 1941 by Otto Schroff, a member of the 96th Infantry Division of the Wehrmacht, who witnessed the killing of around 400 Jews at Paneriai on three consecutive days. At this site, near the city of Vilna, the Soviet authorities prepared huge pits for storing petrol tanks they still had not filled. During the Nazi occupation, starting 07/1941, they brought Jews, Gypsies, POWs, and Nazi opponents to these pits where they were executed.


OS 4? Image
YV Item ID: 100101
YV Title: Ponary, Poland. Two Jews just before their execution, surrounded by German soldiers, YV
YV June-July 1941.
YV Archival Signature: 75EO4


It would be interesting to know more about who took these photographs and when they were taken.



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Re: Industry's Andrew Mathis & Roberto Muehlenkamp claim patch of dirt holds remains of 100,000 at Ponar, Lithuania

Postby Moderator » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:21 pm)

Roberto:
You have been challenged to actually show us a verifiable excavations and the huge amount of human remains that you allege.
Your recent posting of various 'walls of text' which do not address those challenges are simply dodges and below the standards of this forum.

However, I have left the photos that you do think prove your claims about Ponar.

Cheers, M1
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Re: Industry's Andrew Mathis & Roberto Muehlenkamp claim patch of dirt holds remains of 100,000 at Ponar, Lithuania

Postby Hannover » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:46 pm)

Roberto's 'pictures' are simply hilarious and indicative of extreme desperation for something, anything to distract from the facts.
Anyone could and obviously did make, stage such fakes and call them what they want.

As I previously posted:
Anyone could caption this photo as "Nazi slave labor digs mass grave for Jews'.

Image

Actually, it's "Air raid precautions, 1940." :lol:

Note that even Roberto admits that many are fakes, miscaptioned, etc. In trying to appear 'reasonable' he actually issues a cry for help. :lol:

To summarize Roberto Muhlenkamp's last two posts, actually no different from his previous embarrassing attempts, we see more of the same communist / Zionist creations:

Photos of who knows where?
Who knows when?
By who knows who?
Some are just piles of clothing & dirt that Roberto hopes will go unnoticed.
Many are simply be war time victims utterly unrelated to the impossible '6M Jews & 5M others'.

And oh those Bolsheviks / communists, they did a whole lot of killing ...'What the hell, comrades, let's just call them 'holocaust victims and avoid the blame'. :lol:

Then, on one hand Roberto and the "Holocau$t Industry" say that the German made all the alleged Jew remains magically disappear, then they turn around and present faked photos of alleged remains that they previously claimed were disappeared. :lol:

But then that's what happens when Zionist Roberto and those like him try to defend an impossible storyline.
'Once they lie, they must continue to lie.'

Roberto Muehlenkamp has been challenged to provide this forum with verifiable excavations of a claimed 100,000 at Ponar and the remains of an alleged 100,000 at Ponar.
So what do we get? Faked & staged photos with no proof whatsoever that they depict what they claim to depict.
It all could be solved right now, today, 2 guys, a shovel & a video camera and issue settled. :lol:
That won't happen, because it never happened.

Now see what a real excavation looks like here:
'Katyn facts: 'Amtliches Material zum Massenmord von Katyn'
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=758

And this, as posted by 'Revisionist':
This is German footage of the Katyn massacre site.
https://vid.me/gMwcm

Yet we see nothing like that from the lying "Holocau$t Industry".
We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Industry's Andrew Mathis & Roberto Muehlenkamp claim patch of dirt holds remains of 100,000 at Ponar, Lithuania

Postby Elroy » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:21 am)

Hannover wrote:Roberto's 'pictures' are simply hilarious and indicative of extreme desperation for something, anything to distract from the facts.
Anyone could and obviously did make, stage such fakes and call them what they want.

As I previously posted:
Anyone could caption this photo as "Nazi slave labor digs mass grave for Jews'.

Image

Actually, it's "Air raid precautions, 1940." :lol:

Note that even Roberto admits that many are fakes, miscaptioned, etc. In trying to appear 'reasonable' he actually issues a cry for help. :lol:

To summarize Roberto Muhlenkamp's last two posts, actually no different from his previous embarrassing attempts, we see more of the same communist / Zionist creations:

Photos of who knows where?
Who knows when?
By who knows who?
Some are just piles of clothing & dirt that Roberto hopes will go unnoticed.
Many are simply be war time victims utterly unrelated to the impossible '6M Jews & 5M others'.

And oh those Bolsheviks / communists, they did a whole lot of killing ...'What the hell, comrades, let's just call them 'holocaust victims and avoid the blame'. :lol:

Then, on one hand Roberto and the "Holocau$t Industry" say that the German made all the alleged Jew remains magically disappear, then they turn around and present faked photos of alleged remains that they previously claimed were disappeared. :lol:

But then that's what happens when Zionist Roberto and those like him try to defend an impossible storyline.
'Once they lie, they must continue to lie.'

Roberto Muehlenkamp has been challenged to provide this forum with verifiable excavations of a claimed 100,000 at Ponar and the remains of an alleged 100,000 at Ponar.
So what do we get? Faked & staged photos with no proof whatsoever that they depict what they claim to depict.
It all could be solved right now, today, 2 guys, a shovel & a video camera and issue settled. :lol:
That won't happen, because it never happened.

Now see what a real excavation looks like here:
'Katyn facts: 'Amtliches Material zum Massenmord von Katyn'
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=758

And this, as posted by 'Revisionist':
This is German footage of the Katyn massacre site.
https://vid.me/gMwcm

Yet we see nothing like that from the lying "Holocau$t Industry".
We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

- Hannover

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable 'holocaust' storyline is the message.



Yeah :lol:

That really looks like they're digging a "mass grave"..

Some observations:

1. A long thin ditch with precision straight edges- you know- mathematically correct walls are an essential requirement for a mass grave right? Er, no lol.

2. These captives look simply terrified of their predicament of imminent death whilst digging their own grave right? er no...

People take off their thinking caps when primed with a silly narrative and presented with an image used to shock.

But once that veil is lifted, you can see and think clearly about it now.

Unfortunately Roberto and Andrew's site doesn't allow smack downs.

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Re: Industry's Andrew Mathis & Roberto Muehlenkamp claim patch of dirt holds remains of 100,000 at Ponar, Lithuania

Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:12 am)

Can anyone shed any light on what the location of pictures 1,2,2a is? It looks like some very odd kind of excavation, presumably for some civil engineering process and certainly not what one would dig to use as a grave site. Presumably this is still there and would give up its secrets were it to be dug over somewhat.

Not sure if the pictures of men with head covers on is a work of fakery propaganda or something altogether odd. Strange that when there is a shot which doesn't show German soldiers those in it with guns are automatically assumed to be working for the Germans, never that they might be Russians killing Russians or similar.
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