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Re: Hello / 'where did they go?'

Postby Hektor » 1 year 5 days ago (Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:38 pm)

Revisionist wrote:
Where I said I don't know much about the holocaust but I believe it happened, I was saying that in the way I believe in the moon landings. It's a belief founded on the availiable knowledge - a sort of Occam's Razor approach.

Most people don't know about the basics of the holocaust. It's just eye witness testemonies which emerged under dubios circumstances. No orders from Hitler or Himmler ever found. The blueprints of crematories do not suggest the usage of gassings.

This classical documentary deals only with Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec but gives you an essential understanding of the foundation of the Holocaust:
http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1001
I suggest watching it in parts, not everything once. It is about 4 hours long, but you deal here with a big topic.

If you love reading more try this:
http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=15
Easy to read for beginners, you also get the basics known. It sums up the revisionist view.


Embellished Rumors making rounds. Using the "where did they go?" question as an argument is also an argument from ignorance as well as an argument from incredulity (in believing they may just have moved elsewhere). So it's entirely fallacious. Of course knowing where those deported or interned people went after the war would give us more certainty in the already thoroughly supported thesis that what is sold as "Holocaust" is a malicious propaganda lie.



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Re: Hello / 'where did they go?'

Postby Hannover » 1 year 2 days ago (Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:34 pm)

[I posted this in another thread, but thought that it was very relevant here.]

The piece below is quite revealing as it admits that countless Jews entered the USSR.
Also see important links that follow.

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German Lauds Russia for Joining Intergovernmental Committee for Refugees
http://www.jta.org/1944/02/23/archive/g ... r-refugees

February 23, 1944

NEW YORK (Feb. 22)

Herbert H. Lehman, Director General of the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration, today issued a statement lauding the decision of the Russian Government to join the Intergovernmental Committee for Refugees.

The statement was made in connection with the announcement that an arrangement has been reached between the Jewish Telegraphic Agency and the Jewish press in Moscow, under which Jewish publications in Russia will, for the first time since the Soviet Revolution, receive JTA cables from the United States, Palestine and other countries depicting Jewish life there. This is the first time that any publication in the U.S.S.R. has been permitted to receive cabled news directly from any foreign news agency.

Russia’s decision to join the Intergovernmental Committee for Refugees marks the country’s entrance into the international effort to alleviate the plight of refugees during and after the war. At the time when the Intergovernmental Committee was established at the Evian Conference in 1938, the Soviet Union was not invited to participate. Since the outbreak of the war hundreds of thousands of Jews from Poland, Rumania and the Baltic countries have been given shelter in the U.S.S.R., and many of them were permitted to pass through Russia en route to the United States and to Palestine.

The arrangement under which Jewish Telegraphic Agency news will be cabled to Jewish publications in Russia is a result of the increased interest on the part of Jews in Russia in Jewish life and achievements in other countries. This interest was indicated several months ago when a Jewish cultural delegation was sent to the United States and England, composed of Prof. Solomon Mikhoels and Col. Itzik Fafer.
ANOTHER TIE TO OUR GALLANT ALLIES IS PROVIDED, LEHMAN SAYS

Pointing out that the resumption of communications between the Jewish press of America and Russia “will serve to further our common understanding of the tasks that lie ahead our battles against disease and hunger.” Mr. Lehman stated:

“I am happy and proud today to extend my congratulations to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency on the occasion of the resumption of communications between the Jewish press in America and in Russia.

“It should open valuable new avenues of contact and understanding between the press and the communities of the two nations. It will doubtless provide yet another tie to our gallant Allies and after victory it will serve to further our common understanding of the tasks that lie ahead in our battles against disease and hunger that we may together establish a just and durable peace.

“I congratulate the Russian nation on today becoming a member of the Inter-governmental Committee for Refugees. Together we will do all possible to aid the tortured Jewish refugees of the world.”
JUDGE PROSKAUER, RABBI WISE JOIN IN HAILING RUSSIA’S STEP

Judge Joseph M. Proskauer, president of the American Jewish Committee, and Dr. Stephen S. Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and chairman of the executive committee of the World Jewish Congress, also hailed Russia’s joining the Intergovernmental Committee for Refugees, in statements issued here.

“As president of the American Jewish Committee,” Judge Proskauer writes, “I express deep appreciation of the advance that has been made by the action of Russia in joining the Intergovernmental Committee for Refugees. There is already a fine record of achievement by Russia in offering asylum and security to the victims of Nazi tyranny, and this new action is wholly in line with that beneficent record of achievement.”

Dr. Stephen S. Wise, in his statement said. “The decision of the Soviet Union to join the Intergovernmental Committee for Refugees is an event of great importance, the news of which will be received with satisfaction by Jewish communities throughout the world.

“It is clear already that a very great responsibility will lie on the Inter-governmental Committee in the task of resettling the large numbers of people who have been displaced and uprooted by the Hitler barbarians. The first conference of UNRRA at Atlantic City was compelled to come to the conclusion that repatriation was a solution for only part of the gigantic refugee problem which has been created. It will fall to the Intergovernmental Committee to organize the resettlement of many hundreds of thousands in new lands where they will have an opportunity to rebuild their lives in peace and security. Such a task could only be undertaken by an intergovernmental agency commanding the support of the whole of the free world. The Soviet Union’s adhesion to the Committee will not only add new strength, but by completing the circle of great powers represented, provide the requisite authority.

“No great intergovernmental task can be completed, or should be attempted in the future without the full cooperation of Soviet Russia which has not only proved itself to be the heroic ally of the civilized world, but has revealed sources of constructive strength and the capacity for creative achievement which must we are all fighting.

“The Jewish people has an especial reason for welcoming this strengthening of the Intergovernmental Committee for Refugees. We are encouraged to believe that henceforth some of the hopes we have cherished will be fulfilled and that the Committee so strengthened will now be given the opportunity to rise to the full height of the challenge with which it is presented.”

also recommended:
http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/ ... d_jews.php
Evidence for the Presence of “Gassed” Jews in the Occupied Eastern Territories, Part 1
Thomas Kues
part2
http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/ ... jews_2.php
part3
http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/ ... part_3.php
and:
'1,900,000 Jews Evacuated by the Soviets' said Jew W. Zander
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8374
and:
Russia Helped 1,750,000 Jews to Escape Nazis, Says James N. Rosenberg
https://www.jta.org/1943/07/02/archive/ ... -rosenberg
and:
152,000 Jewish refugees from the Soviet Union who were evacuated to Tashkent (Uzbekistan) and then went to different localities in Uzbekistan in 1941-1942.
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/hol ... uzbek.html
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Re: Hello / 'where did they go?'

Postby Sweeney » 1 year 1 day ago (Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:56 am)

As the unenlightened opening poster to two threads on here I'd like to thank everyone who replied. I asked two obvious questions and I thought the answers were informative and well recieved - I've been on forums about philosophy and religious faith and been treated to contempt about my ignorant questions.
Anyway, in your answers I was given some direction in where to go if I wanted to learn more about your views here. Of course I haven't delved into it all in detail - there's so much - but have had a look around and saw enough there to warrant further investigation. I appreciate the intelligent research.
The thing that your answers have given me are some parameters to look within rather than just having to lurch into the morass of facts and opinions in order to find out the basic foundations of it all. I think my problem here has been the framing of my questions. For instance a poster on here said a suitable question should be something on the lines of, "why did the holocaust narrative emerge?" I think my - and most people's questions - come loaded with recieved "knowledge".
I certainly don't deny that the mass, organised murders didn't happen. How should I know? Though as I said, that was my opinion because that's the view that I've always been exposed to. That's not so strange. If I were in medieval Europe I would have believed only in the doctrine of the Catholic church. I have no argument for or against. I want to have an open mind about everything.
Anyway, amongst all the other things I've got be getting on with, I'll be looking up the leads you've given me. Thanks.

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Re: Hello / 'where did they go?'

Postby Metal Murphy » 1 year 1 day ago (Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:59 pm)

Dresden wrote:Sweeney:

Hear is an article that was just posted a few hours ago by John Wear.
It discusses "where they went", and answers a few of your other questions.
It is geared for rational people, like most Revisionist works.
It is evidence based and it is a quick read ..... not counting all the sources:

Nazi’s Defied Laws of Nature To Gas Millions & Vanish The Bodies! True!

https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/09/ ... dies-true/

Excerpt:

What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?

Establishment historians state that all Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps of Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor were exterminated. It is claimed that a handful of strong young Jews were temporarily spared to keep the camps running. All other Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps were immediately gassed upon arrival without registration.[1]

In his book Holocaust, historian Peter Longerich states that 1,274,166 Jews had been killed in the Aktion Reinhardt camps by the end of 1942. Longerich bases his statement on the fact that the Höfle telegram shows that this many Jews had been sent by then to the Aktion Reinhardt camps. Longerich assumes that every Jew sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps was murdered.[2]

This article will show that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were actually transit camps rather than extermination camps.



I read that as well. It's brilliant and answers a lot of questions.

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Re: Hello / 'where did they go?'

Postby Sannhet » 1 year 1 day ago (Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:33 pm)

Sweeney wrote:Anyway, amongst all the other things I've got be getting on with, I'll be looking up the leads you've given me. Thanks.

One useful strategy is to plug in a "site:codoh.com [search term] " Google search to find information on specific topics that come up in your research.

For example, to take a random example. What did Albert Speer, a top NS-Regime official and Holocaust-era Minister of Armaments, have to say about the Holocaust? "site:codoh.com speer" brings you instant access to 315 results, including such documents as this:
Albert Speer and the ‘Holocaust’ [Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 5, 1984]

Albert Speer may ultimately be best remembered as the only high German wartime official to be “rehabilitated” during his lifetime and even profit handsomely from his once-powerful position. The one-time Hitler confidant and Reich Armaments Minister escaped the hangman’s noose at Nuremberg by adopting an unusual defense strategy. While maintaining that he personally knew nothing of a Jewish extermination program during the war, he nevertheless declared himself guilty for having worked diligently for a regime he belatedly considered evil.

After serving a 20-year prison sentence at Spandau, the democratic mass media showered praise on the “repentant Nazi” for his sometimes subtle but always fervent condemnations of the Hitler regime. His contrite memoirs, published in America as Inside the Third Reich, were highly acclaimed and sold very profitably throughout the world.

Until his death in 1981, Speer repeatedly insisted that he did not know of any extermination program or gassings during the war. In an obliging May 1977 letter to the Executive Director of the South African Jewish Board of Deputies, he stated: “I would give something to be able to state clearly that Hitler ordered the killing of the Jews in my presence. Neither am I in a position to testify to the exact number of Jews killed.”

You also find a CODOH-Forum thread which shows Albert Speer dismissing as ridiculous a now-forgotten Holocaust claim that the Germans killed tens of thousands of Jews with an experimental atomic bomb ("Nazis killed Jews with Magic Atomic Bomb").

And many more.....

The points is, I know the material can be overwhelming. A simple use of "site:codoh.com [search term]" can work wonders and be a good jumping-off point for further study into any revisionist material.

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Re: Hello / 'where did they go?'

Postby donron » 11 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:39 pm)

Sweeney:

The ones that disappeared, where did they go?


"The ones that disappeared"?

How many jews magically disappeared Sweeny?

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Re: Hello / 'where did they go?'

Postby Hektor » 6 months 1 week ago (Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:40 pm)

Dresden wrote:Sweeney:

Hear is an article that was just posted a few hours ago by John Wear.
It discusses "where they went", and answers a few of your other questions.
It is geared for rational people, like most Revisionist works.
It is evidence based and it is a quick read ..... not counting all the sources:

Nazi’s Defied Laws of Nature To Gas Millions & Vanish The Bodies! True!

https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/09/ ... dies-true/

Excerpt:

What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?

....


The article also cites a demographics expert:
The German policy of resettling Jews in the east is supported by the demographic studies of Eugene M. Kulischer. Kulischer, who was a member of the International Labor Office in Montreal during World War II, published in 1943 the book The Displacement of Population in Europe.[3] This book uses the work of 24 institutions that had at their disposal a huge network of channels of information in the various European nations. Kulischer was thus able to base his demographic studies upon the best existing sources.

Kulischer devotes an entire section of his book to the expulsion and deportation of Jews during World War II. Kulischer states:

For the Polish ghettos are not the last stage in the forced eastward migration of the Jewish people. On 20 November 1941, the Governor General, Hans Frank, broadcast the information that the Polish Jews would ultimately be transferred further east. Since the summer of 1942 the ghettos and labour camps in the German-occupied Eastern Territories have become the destination of deportees both from Poland and from western and central Europe; in particular, a new large-scale transfer from the Warsaw ghetto has been reported. Many of the deportees have been sent to the labour camps on the Russian front; others to work in the marshes of Pinsk, or to the ghettos of the Baltic countries, Bielorussia and Ukraine.[4]

Kulischer states that removal of the Jews to the east was largely motivated by the wish to make use of them as forced labor. Jews were not sent to work in the Reich because this would violate the policy of making Germany free of Jews.

Kulischer states that

deportation to the east is for Jews the equivalent of the recruitment for work in the Reich to which the rest of the population of German-controlled Europe is subject, and their removal further and further eastward is doubtless connected with the need for supplying the army’s requirements near the front.[5]

Kulischer concludes that the vast majority of deported Jews

went to the General Government, and further east to the German and Rumanian-occupied territories of the Soviet Union.[6]

Nowhere in his book does Kulischer speak of extermination camps or of a German policy of genocide of the Jews. The demographic evidence does not support such a conclusion.


More on Eugene Kulischer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_M._Kulischer

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Re: Hello / 'where did they go?'

Postby Dresden » 6 months 1 week ago (Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:55 pm)

Thank you, Hektor!

Eugene Kulischer's evidence is devastating to the Hoax.
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Re: Hello / 'where did they go?'

Postby Hieldner » 6 months 1 week ago (Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:41 am)

Eugene Kulischer’s The Displacement Of Population In Europe is available here: https://archive.org/stream/displacementofpo031323mbp#page/n103/mode/2up. He does mention the economic extermination of the Jews.
displacementofpo031323mbp_0127.jpg
Map II, p. 117. Figures in thousands.
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A related problem is: Who’s a Jew and how many of them are left (e.g. in Poland)?

YIVO states, that in 2010 there were 3,200 Jewish citizens in Poland.
In the 2011 Polish census, 7,353 Polish citizens declared their nationality as "Jewish," a big increase from just 1,055 during the previous 2002 census. There are likely more people of Jewish ancestry living in Poland but who do not actively identify as Jewish. According to the Moses Schorr Centre, there are 100,000 Jews living in Poland who don't actively practice Judaism and do not list "Jewish" as their nationality. The Jewish Renewal in Poland organization estimates that there are 200,000 "potential Jews" in Poland. The American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee and Jewish Agency for Israel estimate that there are between 25,000 and 100,000 Jews living in Poland, a similar number to that estimated by Jonathan Ornstein, head of the Jewish Community Center in Kraków (between 20,000 and 100,000).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland#Numbers_of_Jews_in_Poland_since_1920

So we have numbers from 3,200 to 200,000 in a country in which we should know.
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Re: Hello / 'where did they go?'

Postby borjastick » 6 months 1 week ago (Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:32 am)

Hieldner wrote:Eugene Kulischer’s The Displacement Of Population In Europe is available here: https://archive.org/stream/displacementofpo031323mbp#page/n103/mode/2up. He does mention the economic extermination of the Jews.
displacementofpo031323mbp_0127.jpg

A related problem is: Who’s a Jew and how many of them are left (e.g. in Poland)?

YIVO states, that in 2010 there were 3,200 Jewish citizens in Poland.
In the 2011 Polish census, 7,353 Polish citizens declared their nationality as "Jewish," a big increase from just 1,055 during the previous 2002 census. There are likely more people of Jewish ancestry living in Poland but who do not actively identify as Jewish. According to the Moses Schorr Centre, there are 100,000 Jews living in Poland who don't actively practice Judaism and do not list "Jewish" as their nationality. The Jewish Renewal in Poland organization estimates that there are 200,000 "potential Jews" in Poland. The American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee and Jewish Agency for Israel estimate that there are between 25,000 and 100,000 Jews living in Poland, a similar number to that estimated by Jonathan Ornstein, head of the Jewish Community Center in Kraków (between 20,000 and 100,000).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland#Numbers_of_Jews_in_Poland_since_1920

So we have numbers from 3,200 to 200,000 in a country in which we should know.


The quote above essentially lifts the veil off one of the basic problems jews have with their host country -They don't identify or connect with the place in which they live. Being jewish isn't a nationality is it? I mean that genuinely, is it?? On their Polish passport does it say Nationality = jewish? On my British passport it says British and doesn't mention my religion, nor should it.

I was born in Britain to Irish/English parents and feel very British. I am a Christian but not seriously so. I now have an Irish passport and British passport and never put my religion first before my nationality.
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Re: Hello / 'where did they go?'

Postby Hektor » 6 months 1 week ago (Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:06 am)

Hieldner wrote:Eugene Kulischer’s The Displacement Of Population In Europe is available here: https://archive.org/stream/displacementofpo031323mbp#page/n103/mode/2up. He does mention the economic extermination of the Jews.
displacementofpo031323mbp_0127.jpg

A related problem is: Who’s a Jew and how many of them are left (e.g. in Poland)?

YIVO states, that in 2010 there were 3,200 Jewish citizens in Poland.
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He takes another stance in a book published in 1948 - Europe on the move. Examples:
More than 30,000,000 Europeans were transplanted, deported, or dispersed between the outbreak of the war and the beginning of 1943. This total includes millions of uprooted Jews, of whom about 1,500,000 escaped Nazi rule, some 300,000 through emigration overseas and to neutral countries and the remainder through evacuation to the interior of the Soviet Union. Up to the end of the war more than 5,000,000 Jews were deported to extermination camps in Poland and elsewhere. Almost all perished.....

....It has been reckoned that the Red army lost 3 million men who were killed on the battlefield or died from wounds. 10 Two and one half million Jews were exterminated. This would mean as if there were only additional 1.5 million lost among all other population groups in occupied Soviet territory. France lost (apart from 100,000 murdered Jews) 660,000 civilians: 170,000 victims of the war (in France); 190,000 prisoners and deportees who died; 300,000 who succumbed to adverse living conditions in excess of normal mortality rates....

...The practice of exterminating the peaceful population of conquered countries became obsolete many centuries ago. The Germans restored this practice on a scale never before recorded. The main victims were the Jews. Of 5.5 million exterminated Jews, nearly 3 million were nationals or residents of European countries and territories lying now outside the Soviet Union....

...An estimate of the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, Weekly Review, October 10, 1946, showed on the same area 1,363,000 Jews. Adolf Eichmann, who was in charge of the extermination of Jews, estimated that altogether 6 million Jews were killed ( Nazi Conspiracy , p. 82). ..

...In the beginning of the German occupation there were only 330,000 inhabitants in Kiev. Extermination of Jews and deportations again reduced this number drastically...
https://archive.org/details/EuropeOnTheMove


By that time the Allied psychological warfare and propaganda units already disseminated that message thoroughly.

However it is noted that figures are unreliable:
Poland's war losses have been indicated by Vice Minister Wolski, head of the Office of War Reparations, as 6,028,000 ( Poland of Today, March, 1947); according to President Berut, 5 million were exterminated (Smulevich, “Nekotorye voprosy vosproizvodstva naseleniia,” Mirovoe Khoziaistvo i Mirovaia Politika, 1947, No. 3, p. 53). Not all these figures are reliable; some are exaggerated.


It's clear that people who are eager to gain economically through "reparations" would inflate mortality figures drastically and as high they could get away with.


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