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former Einsatzgruppen Members Reject Bizarre Claims of Mass Shootings / Babi Yar, etc.

Postby Hannover » 2 months 1 week ago (Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:24 pm)

"O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!"

And that's exactly what we have here with more false, easily debunked claims about the German WWII Einsatzgruppen, who were formed to fight non-uniformed terrorists , aka: 'partisans'.

These terrorists / partisans were illegal under international law and subject to execution.
The Allies also engaged in anti-terrorist activities.

The 'holocaust' storyline laughably claims that ca. 2,000,000 people were murdered by these Einsatzgruppen units and the resulting human remains were dumped into incredibly large pits. The location of these alleged mass burial sites are supposedly know, yet there have been no excavations which show us these alleged remains.
Oh those magical 'Nazis'.

So now we have two men being investigated for being part of Einsatzgruppen C, the unit which allegedly was responsible for shooting 34,000 Jews into Babi Yar ravine, Ukraine. Of course, there are no human remains at Babi Yar either.

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Both men claim to know nothing of such alleged enormous mass shootings, excerpts:
One suspect, 94-year-old Kurt Gosdek, told Kontraste in an interview earlier this month at his home in northwestern Germany that, although he was part of the unit in Ukraine in 1941, he had worked behind the lines repairing vehicles. He claimed to know nothing of ANY massacres.
“When I was assigned to the workshop service it was relatively quiet, one had only one’s work,” he said. “Not the shooting.”

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Herbert Wahler, 95, confirmed that his name was on the Einsatzgruppen roster but refused other comment, according to transcripts of the interviews provided to The Associated Press.
“If you want to question me, then you’re out of luck,” he said at his home in central Germany. “I also have nothing to hide and from me you won’t hear anything.

And who is it that is making these fraudulent claims?
The very shysters who rake in the cash.

It's all about keeping the cash flowing and maintaining support for a Jews First world & "that shitty little country".

Have a look below, some real whoppers. But hey, this is the so called "Holocau$t".
"Some stories are true that never happened."
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- Hannover

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017 ... d-members/
Germany Investigating Two Former Nazi SS Death Squad Members

(AP) — Two suspected members of Adolf Hitler’s mobile “Einsatzgruppen” death squads identified by the Simon Wiesenthal Center have been tracked down by German reporters but deny participating in wartime massacres.

The Einsatzgruppen were special units made up of SS and police personnel that followed behind the regular German army troops during the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, with the task of killing perceived racial or political enemies of the Nazi regime.

The two suspects located by broadcaster ARD’s Politikmagazin Kontraste program, being aired Thursday night, both appear on Nazi-era roster lists of an SS unit that was attached to Einsatzgruppe C.

Einsatzgruppe C was responsible for one of the most notorious massacres, the shooting of nearly 34,000 at Babi Yar, a ravine northwest of the Ukrainian city of Kiev, on Sept. 29-30, 1941.

The two elderly men were both on a list of 80 former Einsatzgruppen members provided in late 2014 by the Wiesenthal Center to German authorities with the expectation that they could still be alive.

One suspect, 94-year-old Kurt Gosdek, told Kontraste in an interview earlier this month at his home in northwestern Germany that, although he was part of the unit in Ukraine in 1941, he had worked behind the lines repairing vehicles. He claimed to know nothing of any massacres.

“When I was assigned to the workshop service it was relatively quiet, one had only one’s work,” he said. “Not the shooting.”

Following the Einsatzgruppen massacres, the Nazis established death camps and in total killed some 6 million Jews as well as others. Gosdek said he was “surprised” when he heard about the Holocaust after the war.

"It’s simply unbelievable that something like that happened,” he said.

Herbert Wahler, 95, confirmed that his name was on the Einsatzgruppen roster but refused other comment, according to transcripts of the interviews provided to The Associated Press.

“If you want to question me, then you’re out of luck,” he said at his home in central Germany. “I also have nothing to hide and from me you won’t hear anything.”

Jens Rommel, head of the special German prosecutors’ office in Ludwigsburg that investigates Nazi crimes, confirmed to the AP that the Justice Ministry had forwarded them the Wiesenthal Center list.

He said it had been narrowed down to eight people thought to be still alive, including the two featured in Kontraste’s report and one other from Einsatzgruppe C, but prosecutors had not yet gathered enough evidence to recommend charges.

“We need to at least confirm which time period someone was in a unit and which crimes committed by the unit they were part of,” he told the AP.

Efraim Zuroff, the Wiesenthal Center’s head Nazi hunter, questioned how much more evidence was necessary. He said a new precedent in German law means that suspects who helped the Nazi machinery of genocide function — like death camp guards — can be prosecuted as accessories to murder even if it can’t be proved they killed anybody themselves.

“Everyone who assisted in any way shape or form was responsible,” he said in a telephone interview from Jerusalem. “Even if this guy was busy fixing cars, those cars took people to the sites to mass murder Jews … Bring these people to justice and put them on trial.”

Rommel said his office was moving “as quickly as possible” on the Einsatzgruppen, but has also been focusing limited resources on guards at seven concentration camps, including Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Bergen-Belsen, where it was easier to prove that suspects were on hand at the time of specific killings.

He said he expected to hand as many as 30 cases to state prosecutors by year’s end with recommendations that the suspects be charged, but cautioned that because of their ages, the number could rapidly change.

“Every year it’s more difficult because so many pass away,” he said.
Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline.
And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.
Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.


If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: former Einsatzgruppen Members Reject Bizarre Claims of Mass Shootings / Babi Yar, etc.

Postby borjastick » 2 months 1 week ago (Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:35 am)

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Efraim Zuroff, the Wiesenthal Center’s head Nazi hunter, questioned how much more evidence was necessary.
How about some verified independent evidence that proves a)shooting occurred and b)bodies to prove the claims of mass shootings.

Zuroff is one of those zionists who make it very easy to dislike jews as a whole. He's an aggressive and nasty man who never ever answers questions nor expects to be questioned. In other words he doesn't accept that anything can be doubted about the claims of the holocaust and if you do question anything you must be part of the Nazi problem that he is so bravely trying to resolve.

However if you questioned israel's shootings, brutalisation and land theft, settlement building etc on Palestinian land he would justify it every way he could and call you an evil anti-semite just for good measure.
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Re: former Einsatzgruppen Members Reject Bizarre Claims of Mass Shootings / Babi Yar, etc.

Postby Hektor » 2 months 1 week ago (Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:33 am)

Einsatzgruppe C was responsible for one of the most notorious massacres, the shooting of nearly 34,000 at Babi Yar, a ravine northwest of the Ukrainian city of Kiev, on Sept. 29-30, 1941.

The two elderly men were both on a list of 80 former Einsatzgruppen members provided in late 2014 by the Wiesenthal Center to German authorities with the expectation that they could still be alive.

One suspect, 94-year-old Kurt Gosdek, told Kontraste in an interview earlier this month at his home in northwestern Germany that, although he was part of the unit in Ukraine in 1941, he had worked behind the lines repairing vehicles. He claimed to know nothing of any massacres.



This might become a serious shot in the foot for the "Nazi-Hunters".
Interestingly they bring this up as evidence for Babi Yar:
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... laims.html


Don't they know that Blobel made all the evidence vanish?
Blobel organised the infamous massacre of 33,771 Kiev Jews which took place in the Babi Yar ravine, the Einsatzgruppen reports give the full credit for the massacre to Blobel, but at the War Crimes Trial in Nuremburg Blobel protested his absence from Kiev, and declared further that only fifteen of his fifty-three men could be detailed for the executions.

In March 1942 Albert Hartel, a Gestapo expert on church affairs, was driving with Blobel towards a country villa outside Kiev used by Brigadefuhrer Thomas, the Higher SS and Police Leader. At the Babi Yar ravine, Hartel noticed small explosions, which threw up columns of earth. It was the thaw, releasing the gases from thousands of bodies, and Blobel explained – “Here my Jews are buried.”

The aftermath of a mass killing action

But Blobel was not quit of the affair. Two months later he was sent for in Berlin by Heydrich who was about to leave for Prague and his own death. After the passage of more than five years, the words of that steel –faced young man were still indelibly stamped on the memory of the Nuremburg defendant:

“Well you have developed a stomach. You are just a cissy, only fit to be employed as porcelain –manufacturer – but I will push your nose much deeper into it. You will report to Obergruppenfuhrer Muller.” Henceforward Blobel’s unique assignment was to destroy the traces of mass burials in Poland and Russia. Blobel was in Chelmno in September 1942 and in the following June he was back in the Babi Yar ravine, where his knowledge and experience showed the exhumation squad where to dig.
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... lobel.html


Wikipedia also states:
Before the Nazis retreated from Kiev ahead of the Soviet offensive of 1944, they were ordered by Wilhelm Koppe to conceal their atrocities in the East. Paul Blobel, who was in control of the mass murders in Babi Yar two years earlier, supervised the Sonderaktion 1005 in eliminating its traces. The Aktion was carried out earlier in all extermination camps. The bodies were exhumed, burned and the ashes scattered over farmland in the vicinity.[45][46] Several hundred prisoners of war from the Syrets concentration camp were forced to build funeral pyres out of Jewish gravestones and exhume the bodies for cremation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar

More on the socalled Aktion 1005:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/aktion-1005

Wiki also states with out turning red in the face:
In June 1942 he was put in charge of Aktion 1005, with the task of destroying the evidence of all Nazi atrocities in Eastern Europe. This entailed exhumation of mass graves, then incinerating the bodies. Blobel developed efficient disposal techniques such as alternating layers of bodies with firewood on a frame of iron rails.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel


Of course as preposterous the claims maybe, the majority of media audience won't question them making the dirt stick.

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Re: former Einsatzgruppen Members Reject Bizarre Claims of Mass Shootings / Babi Yar, etc.

Postby Elroy » 2 months 1 week ago (Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:51 am)

Hektor wrote:
Einsatzgruppe C was responsible for one of the most notorious massacres, the shooting of nearly 34,000 at Babi Yar, a ravine northwest of the Ukrainian city of Kiev, on Sept. 29-30, 1941.

The two elderly men were both on a list of 80 former Einsatzgruppen members provided in late 2014 by the Wiesenthal Center to German authorities with the expectation that they could still be alive.

One suspect, 94-year-old Kurt Gosdek, told Kontraste in an interview earlier this month at his home in northwestern Germany that, although he was part of the unit in Ukraine in 1941, he had worked behind the lines repairing vehicles. He claimed to know nothing of any massacres.



This might become a serious shot in the foot for the "Nazi-Hunters".
Interestingly they bring this up as evidence for Babi Yar:
Image
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... laims.html


Don't they know that Blobel made all the evidence vanish?
Blobel organised the infamous massacre of 33,771 Kiev Jews which took place in the Babi Yar ravine, the Einsatzgruppen reports give the full credit for the massacre to Blobel, but at the War Crimes Trial in Nuremburg Blobel protested his absence from Kiev, and declared further that only fifteen of his fifty-three men could be detailed for the executions.

In March 1942 Albert Hartel, a Gestapo expert on church affairs, was driving with Blobel towards a country villa outside Kiev used by Brigadefuhrer Thomas, the Higher SS and Police Leader. At the Babi Yar ravine, Hartel noticed small explosions, which threw up columns of earth. It was the thaw, releasing the gases from thousands of bodies, and Blobel explained – “Here my Jews are buried.”

The aftermath of a mass killing action

But Blobel was not quit of the affair. Two months later he was sent for in Berlin by Heydrich who was about to leave for Prague and his own death. After the passage of more than five years, the words of that steel –faced young man were still indelibly stamped on the memory of the Nuremburg defendant:

“Well you have developed a stomach. You are just a cissy, only fit to be employed as porcelain –manufacturer – but I will push your nose much deeper into it. You will report to Obergruppenfuhrer Muller.” Henceforward Blobel’s unique assignment was to destroy the traces of mass burials in Poland and Russia. Blobel was in Chelmno in September 1942 and in the following June he was back in the Babi Yar ravine, where his knowledge and experience showed the exhumation squad where to dig.
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... lobel.html


Wikipedia also states:
Before the Nazis retreated from Kiev ahead of the Soviet offensive of 1944, they were ordered by Wilhelm Koppe to conceal their atrocities in the East. Paul Blobel, who was in control of the mass murders in Babi Yar two years earlier, supervised the Sonderaktion 1005 in eliminating its traces. The Aktion was carried out earlier in all extermination camps. The bodies were exhumed, burned and the ashes scattered over farmland in the vicinity.[45][46] Several hundred prisoners of war from the Syrets concentration camp were forced to build funeral pyres out of Jewish gravestones and exhume the bodies for cremation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar

More on the socalled Aktion 1005:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/aktion-1005

Wiki also states with out turning red in the face:
In June 1942 he was put in charge of Aktion 1005, with the task of destroying the evidence of all Nazi atrocities in Eastern Europe. This entailed exhumation of mass graves, then incinerating the bodies. Blobel developed efficient disposal techniques such as alternating layers of bodies with firewood on a frame of iron rails.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel


Of course as preposterous the claims maybe, the majority of media audience won't question them making the dirt stick.


Wow Hektor.

I did not know much about this part of the Holocaust myth, only that it was a lie, but not knowing the full details, just that there obviously was no plan and the figures are inflated. But the propaganda used is equally as ridiculous isn't it.

It's easy to see how someone could believe it but with just a bit of rational thought, it's simply crazy absurd.

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Re: former Einsatzgruppen Members Reject Bizarre Claims of Mass Shootings / Babi Yar, etc.

Postby FJI » 2 months 1 week ago (Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:42 am)

That is the way with the whole Holohoax; people never question it, because it's been a lie for so long, supported by governments throughout the world. The shootings seem more plausible, after all; just shooting people and dumping their bodies in pits is easy, isn't it? For a long time, I believed that this was fact, even when I'd stopped believing in the gas chambers. But none of it stands up to any sort of scrutiny; thousands of disinterred bodies, burnt to cinders, and 'disappeared' on farm land ? Ludicrous...

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Re: former Einsatzgruppen Members Reject Bizarre Claims of Mass Shootings / Babi Yar, etc.

Postby Hektor » 2 months 1 week ago (Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:26 am)

Elroy wrote:
Hektor wrote:.....
More on the socalled Aktion 1005:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/aktion-1005

Wiki also states with out turning red in the face:
In June 1942 he was put in charge of Aktion 1005, with the task of destroying the evidence of all Nazi atrocities in Eastern Europe. This entailed exhumation of mass graves, then incinerating the bodies. Blobel developed efficient disposal techniques such as alternating layers of bodies with firewood on a frame of iron rails.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel


Of course as preposterous the claims maybe, the majority of media audience won't question them making the dirt stick.


Wow Hektor.

I did not know much about this part of the Holocaust myth, only that it was a lie, but not knowing the full details, just that there obviously was no plan and the figures are inflated. But the propaganda used is equally as ridiculous isn't it.

It's easy to see how someone could believe it but with just a bit of rational thought, it's simply crazy absurd.

All I can say is that the "testimonials" are as suspicious as the ones on a hair regrowth web site.

FJI wrote:That is the way with the whole Holohoax; people never question it, because it's been a lie for so long, supported by governments throughout the world. The shootings seem more plausible, after all; just shooting people and dumping their bodies in pits is easy, isn't it? For a long time, I believed that this was fact, even when I'd stopped believing in the gas chambers. But none of it stands up to any sort of scrutiny; thousands of disinterred bodies, burnt to cinders, and 'disappeared' on farm land ? Ludicrous...

Well, we don't dispute shootings behind the Eastern front as such, but we note that this was done in the context of anti-partisan warfare and that it was in line with customary rules of warfare. That part is left out, while the numbers of people supposedly being shot have been massively inflated.

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Re: former Einsatzgruppen Members Reject Bizarre Claims of Mass Shootings / Babi Yar, etc.

Postby FJI » 2 months 1 week ago (Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:15 am)

Agreed, however, the number being massively inflated goes hand in hand with the systematic nature of the allegations; neither are true. Jews were shot, along with many others.
In the same way that many Jews died in concentration camps, it was certainly nowhere near 6m, and others died too.
WW2 was a terrible tragedy for so many people all over the globe.
Today, it is just about the suffering of the Jew, and the vanquishing of 'evil', the fantasy which continues to shape events in Europe, America and the Middle East.

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Postby Hektor » 2 months 1 week ago (Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:31 pm)

FJI wrote:Agreed, however, the number being massively inflated goes hand in hand with the systematic nature of the allegations; neither are true. Jews were shot, along with many others.....

Except inflating figures, the trick is to leave out cause, effect and reason for those actions.

Since 1996, a photo exhibition organized by a communist organization located in Hamburg, Germany, which featured alleged war crimes of the German Wehrmacht during World War II, has been shown in many German and Austrian cities.[1] Due to its one-sidedness and distorted, if not outright false, 'anti-fascist', i.e., Stalinist way of depicting events at the eastern front during WWII, this exhibition has caused massive criticism by various historians.[2] Politicians and media in Germany, however, most of whom supported this propaganda exhibition, were totally silent about this criticism. This changed only in 1999, after the Polish historian Bogdan Musial had demonstrated that numerous photos of this Wehrmacht exhibition as proof of the crimes of the German army in reality show victims of the Soviet NKVD.[3] Though he was not the first who pointed this out, he was the first one to be heard by the media, because as a Pole he enjoyed the advantage of not being exposed to the immediate suspicion of wanting to whitewash Hitler, a suspicion every German national faces if uttering anything about WWII, the Wehrmacht, or the Third Reich that is not exclusively negative. The broad publicity of Musial's 'discovery' finally led to an investigation into the veracity of said exhibition. Though this investigation was conducted by 'experts' appointed by the organizers of the exhibition, i.e., by persons of a similar left-wing radical ideology, the results were still so devastating that the exhibition was temporarily shut down. It re-opened three years later after some minor changes....

After the retreat of the mass murderers, these crimes were immediately blamed on the Jews, who allegedly participated in leading positions during the Soviet occupation and the NKVD massacres. In the first days of July 1941, pogroms took place in almost all parts of East Poland, which lasted sometimes for days. Immediately afterwards, execution commandos of the German Sicherheitspolizei (Security Police) and the SD (Sicherheitsdienst, security service) shot a great number of predominantly Jewish men, who had been accused of participating in the Soviet massacres. According to Musial, at least ten thousand people fell victim to these punishments for the Soviet crimes.
http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/1/Rudolf111-113.html


As you can see, not everybody is blind to this. Reasons for executions are known and are mentioned from time to time. Although follow the Holocaust narrative, you'd probably won't get the impression that there may have been other reasons than "irrational Antisemitism".


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