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Lol: The story of another Auschwitz Sonderkommando the Nazis forgot to kill / 'note found in thermos'

Postby Hieldner » 1 week 5 days ago (Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:34 am)

Pavel Polian, known for his antirevisionist demographics hodgepodge Denial of the Denial (https://books.google.dk/books?id=vBnAbw ... edir_esc=y), has “deciphered” (or rather translated from illegible Greek?) a “groundbreaking” document allegedly written by Greek Jew Marcel Nadjari that was “found” near Krema III after the death of the alleged author. Now we have another eyewitness who describes the miraculous burning of Jews with their own body fat and without fuel.

Slightly modified Google translation of http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/holocaust ... 70926.html:
Jewish prisoner of the Auschwitz Sonderkommando: "When you read what work I did ..."

Two researchers have unraveled a depressing document: the records of a Jewish prisoner who had to assist the SS in Auschwitz with the gassing of Jews and the burning of their corpses.

10/05/2017

The work in the Sonderkommando Auschwitz is one of the worst things people have ever done to each other. The SS forced Jewish prisoners to help other Jews take their clothes from the gas chambers. The members of the Sonderkommandos had to break out the teeth of the dead and shave the hair that was processed into yarn. Subsequently, the bodies were to be buried in mass graves or, from 1942, burned in crematoria.

After a few months the detainees of the Sonderkommandos were killed and replaced by new arrivals. Of about 2200 people only a few hundred survived.

To carry the monstrosity into the world, some prisoners wrote what they experienced. And buried the reports in the hope that they would be found one day. Now two Russian researchers have succeeded in making such a cashier almost completely readable, an equally moving and oppressive document.

It comes from Marcel Nadjari, a Jewish merchant from Thessaloniki. He had been hiding from communist partisans before the German occupiers, but had fallen into the hands of the rangers in Athens in 1944 and deported to Auschwitz. His records were found years ago at excavations near the former crematorium III. They were in a stoppered thermos flask, wrapped in a leather case, but they could only be read to a fraction. Now the historian Pavel Polian and the IT specialist Alexander Nikityev succeeded in deciphering the text almost completely, as they report in the new issue of the quarter-yearbook for contemporary history.

The two researchers had discovered that the pages can be made readable using a common image processing program.

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Nadjari wrote the text predominantly in Greek and probably in November 1944. He began with a request to the finder to hand over the document to a diplomatic representation of Greece, which should hand it over to a friend who would in turn inform his friends and relatives.

Nadjari describes his actions:

"After half an hour, we opened the doors (of the gas chamber), and our work began. We carried the corpses of these innocent women and children to the elevator, which brought them into the room with the ovens, and they put them in there the furnaces, where they were burnt without the use of fuel, because of the fat they have. A man produced only about half an oka ash (equivalent to about 600 grams) which forced us to crush the Germans and then to destroy them and then took out a car and poured it into the river, which was passing nearby, and so they removed all traces. "


Nadjari arrived on the 11th of April in the then German Auschwitz. He hoped in vain to meet his previously deported parents and his sister. In the selection he gave himself as a glazier and escaped therefore probably the death. Together with a hundred other prisoners he was assigned to the Sonderkommando after a few weeks.

Nadjari writes that he has never lost his faith, but it seems to him above all to have helped a desire to stay alive: revenge.

"When you read what work I did, you will say, how could I ... or anyone else do this work and burn his fellow believers ... many times I thought of coming in with them to finish But I have always kept my revenge: I wanted to live to avenge the death of Papa and Mama, and that of my beloved little sister, Nelli. "


From May 1944, the Hungarian Jews moved to Auschwitz, some of them hundreds of thousands being destroyed in the following weeks. Nadjari met the death-worshipers in front of the gas chambers:

"Our work was to receive them first, most of them did not know the reason ... the people I saw when their destiny was sealed, I told the truth, and after they were all naked, they went further into the death chamber, where the Germans had laid pipes on the ceiling to make them think they were preparing the bath, with whips in their hands, the Germans forced them to move closer and closer together, so that as many as possible could fit in, a true Sardinian death , then the doors were hermetically sealed, and the gullets always came with the car of the German Red Cross with two SS men. "


The Hungarian Jews were the last large group to be gassed in Auschwitz. Nadjari survived, presumably because he managed to conceal himself in another prisoner's column, as historian Polian suspects. Nadjari came to Mauthausen and had to do forced labor, after the liberation he returned to Greece and emigrated later to the USA. He died in 1971 at the age of 54 in New York. His case was discovered nine years later.

In the concentration camp, Nadjari had expected the Germans to kill him. "We have to leave the earth because we know so much," he wrote.

To his friend, to whom he directed the cashier, he gave up: If one were to ask for him, may he say that the Nadjari family had been "murdered by the cultured Germans."


I think it would be interesting to plot the alleged gassing times (here it’s half an hour) by the date of the (publication of the) testimony, to see what kind of slope you’d get.


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Re: Lol: The story of another Auschwitz Sonderkommando the Nazis forgot to kill / 'note found in thermos'

Postby Reviso » 1 week 5 days ago (Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:00 am)

" His records were found years ago at excavations near the former crematorium III."
Yes, they were allegedly "discovered" in 1980. It is part of a series of similar manuscripts which were (partially) published in 1982 by Bernard [= Ber] Mark. I don't know if the "discovery" found place under the direction of this Bernard Mark, who, according to his article in the French Wikipedia :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Mark
was "an unscrupulous historian".

"He [= Nadjari, also written Nadsari] died in 1971 at the age of 54 in New York. His case was discovered nine years later."
Thus, if I understand it correctly, he had no opportunity to confirm the authenticity of the "report" ascribed to him.
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Re: Lol: The story of another Auschwitz Sonderkommando the Nazis forgot to kill / 'note found in thermos'

Postby borjastick » 1 week 5 days ago (Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:23 am)

So he claims that corpses were fat rich enough to be burned without fuel (absolute nonsense) but reduced to 600g of ash after burning. Also that they had to shave the heads of the corpses. Why on earth wouldn't you shave the heads of all prisoners and then choose those who were to have been gassed? We know all prisoners were subject to a head shave to remove the incidence of lice.

Once again here in this 'find' we see a whole pile of baloney.
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Re: Lol: The story of another Auschwitz Sonderkommando the Nazis forgot to kill / 'note found in thermos'

Postby Hannover » 1 week 5 days ago (Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:09 am)

He said:
After half an hour, we opened the doors (of the gas chamber), and our work began

Really?

Yet the alleged gassing agent, the pesticide Zyklon-B, would have been still emitting it's cyanide load, it's takes hours, therefore according to the alleged note the entire area and the alleged next batch of Jews supposedly waiting outside the door would have been gassed. A big surprise for those 'thinking they were receiving showers' and the alleged German staff.

Read on and see the entire alleged process debunked.

The holocau$t', the dumbest damn story ever contrived.

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As I previously posted:
Below I have posted what the 'holocaust' storyline claims about the alleged gassings at Auschwitz/Birkenau.
I have commented as the story moves along, in essence the claims are simply impossible.

Note that I have also added this model of what the inside of one of the 'gas chambers' is claimed to have looked like at end of an alleged gassing (up to 2000 per batch), an analysis of this model follows my text below.

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The two main 'gas chambers at Auschwitz / Birkenau were exactly the same, supposedly in Kremas II & III. So let's play along with the storyline. Up to 2000 Jews were supposedly gassed until dead, then they were supposedly taken via an elevator to the crematorium directly above.

- Fact: as seen in the plans, this elevator is hand drawn, and is only 4 ft X 9 ft. How in the world could 2000 Jews have been loaded onto a 4 ft x 9 ft. hand drawn elevator in just a few minutes? Remember, the storyline says that the gassings and resultant cremations were non-stop for much of the period in question.

We supposedly have another batch of 2000 Jews waiting outside, supposedly being tricked into thinking they were about to receive showers. It would have been impossible to disentangle all the supposedly dead Jews and load 2000 of them onto to this postage stamp of an elevator, hoist them by hand up to the crematory 'ovens' in just minutes.
And this repeated process meant that the crematory ovens above would not have been capable of cremating them in the time alleged, which meant a build-up, a backlog occurred.
The storyline even states that the backlog of the to-be-cremated-gassed-Jews required stacking them outside. Once again, the alleged 2000 Jews were outside in full view of this laughable backlog claim, but supposedly they still thought they were getting 'showers'. Of course, timely aerial reconnaissance photos show nothing of the kind.

Furthermore, while the Jews were waiting outside, the storyline says that a SS man with a gas mask climbed upon the roof of the Kremas (only maybe 18 inches, or close to it, above the ground, Kremas II & III were largely underground) and dropped Zyklon-B granules into a container and lowered it down into the 'holes' in the roof, into the morgues which were supposedly converted into a gas chamber. The waiting 2000 Jews would have a clear view of the man on the roof's activity, yet these 2000 Jews were supposedly not concerned and still thought they were going to get innocent showers. The storyline is utterly ridiculous.

We're not done.

The Zyklon-B pesticide granules took/take hours to complete the outgassing of their cyanide load. The storyline says that this same SS man on the roof, supposedly wearing a highly visible gas mask, withdrew the container up from the 'gas chambers' in just minutes. Remember, the Zyklon-B pesticide granules were allegedly dumped and lowered into the 'gas chambers'. And since we know that the Zyklon-B pesticide would have taken hours to finish releasing it's cyanide load we have a situation where anyone in the entire area would have been vulnerable to gassing.
Yes, the storyline also says that there were vents which were used to remove the gas, but then we are still in a situation where the entire area is vulnerable to cyanide. Not to mention that this certainly would have been noticed by the alleged waiting 2000 Jews. And where does this SS man in a gas mask put the outgassing Zyklon-B pesticide granules which he has supposedly withdrawn, which would be releasing cyanide for hours?

The entire, bizarre story is unsustainable with even the slightest scrutiny. It's no wonder why Jewish supremacists trot out senile, lying 'survivors' (who wouldn't have even survived if the tall tales were true) for emotional impact. No wonder that there are Thought Crime laws against examining this absurd process. 'House of cards' is an understatement.

As for it being easy to ventilate, move corpses, clean, bring in the next batch, and generally achieve what is alleged I also suggest:
'ONE PICTURE = 1000 WORDS'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2651

ASMarques' initial post in that thread:
"*** THE GREAT GAS CHAMBER TRAFFIC JAM ***

This would be the one picture I would choose for a crash-course in Holocaust awareness for the intelligent young, lest they forget. Much better than collecting millions of buttons, soda tabs etc.

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This is the scale model of Krema II in the Auschwitz Museum, apparently placed behind a glass protection in order to prevent the small dolls being stolen by visitors.

Key to the image:

0 - Reflection of the window on the opposite side of the room.

1 - Underground gallery where many hundreds of victims at a time got undressed for the fake showers in room number 2. According to some Holocaust scholars, this gallery is also supposed to have had fake showers installed in it, just to confuse the undressing victims.

2 - Underground gas chamber, called simply "morgue" or "mortuary cellar" in all German documents and blueprints, in order to fool the future generations of scholars looking for the mysteriously vanished Jewish race. This is where many hundreds of victims were gassed at a time, in a round-the-clock mass murder industrial process by Zyklon B, the same product used to preserve human lives by killing lice (unless the witnesses are lying or very, very confused).

3 - Small elevator bringing daily many thousands of gassed corpses from the underground chamber to the crematories at ground level. Known to the fun-loving SS as "The Little Elevator that Could".

4 - Crematory ovens where many thousands of corpses a day were instantly vaporized, without even having to wait for some heat to dissipate before each door opening, contrary to the ovens in your run-of-the-mill crematory. Alas, the technology of the ovens was one of the best kept secrets in the Reich (unless they were ordinary ovens operated by miracle) and no one has been able to duplicate it.

5 - The famous chimneys, producing lots of smoke, contrary to the chimneys on your run-of-the-mill crematory that produce none. This is attributed to the twisted minds of the German guards who attempted to hide their crimes from the curious in the neighbourhood by using dense curtains of artificial smoke.

Now that you know which room is which, don't let anyone distract your gaze away from the image. Picture the gold-mining brigades, struggling through the corpse-scape, trying not to absorb any cyanide residues trapped among the still palpitating bodies, in order to perform their difficult tasks, such as inspecting body orifices, pulling teeth off, smoking cigarettes and eating sandwiches (according to the Höss testimony).

Then comes the most important part. Wait for a few seconds, take a deep breath, and picture the enormous round-the-clock traffic jam at point number 3, during the process of emptying the gas chamber of bodies, through the small elevator room, with or without (as you prefer) the folks next door waiting, soap in hand, for their shower.

Finally, ask your teacher to point the place, any place, where all those typhus dead were deposited while the live folks were being gassed in the gas chamber the Germans called "a morgue".

If you get a satisfactory answer, please let me know."
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Re: Lol: The story of another Auschwitz Sonderkommando the Nazis forgot to kill / 'note found in thermos'

Postby Hannover » 3 days 3 hours ago (Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:49 pm)

Here's yet another version of this impossible, vastly contradictory story.

BTW, this current 'thermos' tall tale is a laughable replay, from 2009. :lol:
see:
'Builders Find Auschwitz Message in a bottle'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5524

Moving on, some excerpts from article below:
1. "Underneath a garden, there are two endless basement rooms: one is meant for undressing, the other is a death chamber," he wrote. "People enter naked and when it is filled with about 3,000 people, it is closed and they are gassed."

2. Nadjari, who survived the Holocaust and died in New York in 1971 at age 57, was assigned to the “Sonderkommando” unit of prisoners who took bodies from the gas chambers and burned them in a crematorium.

3. Russian-born historian Pavel Polian said Nadjari’s letter and the eight other documents other documents found in the thermos “are the most central documents of the Holocaust.”

4. It was found during a student excavation in 1980 in the forest near the ruins of Auschwitz-Birkenau’s crematory III. Five people wrote messages, mostly in Yiddish.

1. A "garden" has never seen said to have been above the alleged 'gas chambers'.
In fact, aerial photos of the precise alleged time show no such garden, or people being 'gassed' for that matter. :lol:
The storyline says that Jews were dressed when they entered, they allegedly were told they were about to receive 'showers'.
The number alleged is generally ca. 2000 per batch, see my demolition of the alleged & impossible gassings above.

2. Right, another "survivor" who allegedly had all kinds of incriminating information on the alleged killers, yet "survived" .... like countless others.
Odd given the claim that "the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on". :roll:

3. "Historian" Pavel Polian? Zionist propagandist & apologist is a better description.
Where are these alleged "eight other documents found in the thermos"?
"The most central documents of the Holocaust”? Hilarious. Now what does that say? :lol:

4. There is no "forest" next to the alleged gas chamber / crematorium. :roll:
And what "students"? Like this one? :lol:

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Read on.

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/10/11 ... -camp.html
Buried letter recounts Auschwitz prisoner's job of burning bodies of fellow Jews in death camp

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'Marcel Nadjari, a Jewish prisoner in Auschwitz, wrote about his experience of having to take bodies from gas chambers to the camp's crematorium.'

In a letter he buried in Auschwitz, a Jewish man said he contemplated ending his life many times after being forced to remove the bodies of fellow prisoners from the gas chambers at the death camp. But a sense of revenge always held him back.

Marcel Nadjari, a Jewish merchant from Greece sent to the concentration camp by the Nazis during World War II, recounted his experience in a letter he and other prisoners buried inside a thermos that laid undiscovered for more than 30 years.

"We all suffer things here that the human mind cannot imagine," Nadjari wrote in a text he secretly penned in late 1944 before the camp was liberated in early 1945, according to Deutsche Welle.

"Underneath a garden, there are two endless basement rooms: one is meant for undressing, the other is a death chamber," he wrote. "People enter naked and when it is filled with about 3,000 people, it is closed and they are gassed."

Nadjari, who survived the Holocaust and died in New York in 1971 at age 57, was assigned to the “Sonderkommando” unit of prisoners who took bodies from the gas chambers and burned them in a crematorium.

His letter was discovered in 1980 near Crematorium III and, using a new imaging technique, historians were able to reconstruct his words, which were almost completely illegible.

“If you read about the things we did, you’ll say, how could anyone do that, burn their fellow Jews?” he wrote in the letter. “That’s what I said at first, too, and thought many times.”

Russian-born historian Pavel Polian said Nadjari’s letter and the eight other documents found in the thermos “are the most central documents of the Holocaust.”

The letter will be published for the first time ever in the Munich-based Institute of Contemporary History’s magazine this month.

It was found during a student excavation in 1980 in the forest near the ruins of Auschwitz-Birkenau’s crematory III. Five people wrote messages, mostly in Yiddish.

According to Polian, about 100 of the almost 2,000 Auschwitz inmates tasked with disposing the corpses survived the concentration camp. Of the five who wrote and buried messages, Nadjari was the sole survivor, Deutsche Welle reported.

The writings were sent to the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum.

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n 2013, a Russian IT specialist spent a year working on the blurred ink script of Nadjari’s writing with the help of multispectral image analysis.

“We can now read 85 to 90 percent,” Polian said.

Translations into English and Greek are in the works and are scheduled to be published in November, he added.
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Re: Lol: The story of another Auschwitz Sonderkommando the Nazis forgot to kill / 'note found in thermos'

Postby Zulu » 1 day 4 hours ago (Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:50 pm)

Have you ever wondered why no "eyewitness of gassing", Sonderkommando or not, was ever presented for a trial against Faurisson or Zündel in order to deliver a testimony under oath?
The answer is simple: the exterminationists didn't rely on them and were afraid they could be easily unmasked by revisionists after a serious cross examination. The examples of Rudolf Vrba and Arnold Friedman at the Zundel Toronto trial were unique and devastating to the holy cause.

The Zündel Trials (1985 and 1988)
http://ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p417_Faurisson.html

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