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When and where will we see first openly-Holocaust-revisionist head of a European government?

Postby Sannhet » 2 months 4 days ago (Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:49 pm)

When do you think we will see

the first openly Holocaust-revisionist head of a European government?
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Re: When and where will we see first openly-Holocaust-revisionist head of a European government?

Postby Sannhet » 2 months 4 days ago (Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:56 pm)

Some of my thoughts.

(1) When. I am among the optimists and think it will happen relatively soon (in the 2020s, let's say). I am among those who believe Holocaust Revisionism has made enormous but quiet gains in recent years.

(2) Where? I think it will most likely be in an ex-Soviet or ex-Warsaw-Pact state. I imagine it would be a figure like Viktor Orban, someone willing to go against the European/EU consensus.

I find nothing claiming that Orban himself has ever hinted at revisionist beliefs. They call him a 'Nazi' anyway, of course. He once praised Admiral Horthy [head of state in Hungary, 1920-1944], which Holocaust-Enforcement media describes as "the Holocaust-era leader of Hungary" :roll: . A party to Orban's right, Jobbik, though, is a Holocaust-skeptic party, and includes some open Holocaust dissidents (deniers/revisionists) (Wiki: "In 2014 Tibor Ágoston, the deputy chairman of Jobbik's Debrecen and Hajdú-Bihar County organization, referred to the Holocaust as the 'holoscam'..."). Jobbik got an impressive 20% of the popular vote in the April 2014 parliamentary elections to Orban's center-right ruling party's 45% and a center-left coalition's 25%.

It should be pointed out that Hungary does have Holocaust Enforcement laws as do these countries:
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Ex-Communist countries without Holocaust Enforcement laws include: Estonia, Latvia, Slovakia, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, Bulgaria.

My guess is it will be one of these.

(2) What Next? I think the act of just one head of a European government questioning the Holocaust publicly will be a major watershed event equivalent to Luther posting up his ninety-five theses five hundred years ago (Oct. 31, 1517). It will surely be met with shock and denunciation, and by the equivalent of an attempt to 'excommunicate' the offender (as the Pope did to Luther and his supporters in the late 1510s), but this future Holocaust-questioning Prime Minister will, through his or her courage, inspire others to start speaking out, too. It could be the beginning of the end of intellectual Holocaust Tyranny.

It then depends how the Western ruling apparatus deals with the crisis. It could end up being a "Gorbachev Moment" Alternatively, the offending leader could get "Milosevic'ed," his country bombed on some pretext, with hundreds of his citizens killed, regime change, and perhaps an attempt to put the heretic on trial and imprison him. In short, I don't know what happens next, but I do think that this single event, a European leader openly questioning the Holocaust, might well be seen as the biggest threat to the western order itself since the end of communism

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Re: When and where will we see first openly-Holocaust-revisionist head of a European government?

Postby Hannover » 2 months 4 days ago (Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:10 pm)

It just a matter of time.

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Re: When and where will we see first openly-Holocaust-revisionist head of a European government?

Postby Elroy » 2 months 4 days ago (Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:36 am)

Hannover wrote:It just a matter of time.

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First, it is ridiculed.
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Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”

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Exactly true!

This is what the Holocaust Myth Establishment just doesn't understand..

The exposure of the truth is inevitable. The increasing draconian measures and the continual rise of holocaust propaganda from the 70's and especially the 90's and more than ever with the internet, is a direct response of the availability and spread of the truth amongst the people of the world.

And we will see an increasingly tightening grip unfortunately and things will get ugly at the end too until the myth slips through their fingers anyway.

And then there will be the "excuses", we already know them- false memories, not "lies", only a few guilty people (already deceased), not many. Etc. and nobody important living, they were just "doing the right thing" with the information they had, you know ;)

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Re: When and where will we see first openly-Holocaust-revisionist head of a European government?

Postby Hektor » 2 months 3 days ago (Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:13 am)

Sannhet wrote:Some of my thoughts.

(1) When. I am among the optimists and think it will happen relatively soon (in the 2020s, let's say). I am among those who believe Holocaust Revisionism has made enormous but quiet gains in recent years.

(2) Where? I think it will most likely be in an ex-Soviet or ex-Warsaw-Pact state. I imagine it would be a figure like Viktor Orban, someone willing to go against the European/EU consensus.

I find nothing claiming that Orban himself has ever hinted at revisionist beliefs. They call him a 'Nazi' anyway, of course. He once praised Admiral Horthy [head of state in Hungary, 1920-1944], which Holocaust-Enforcement media describes as "the Holocaust-era leader of Hungary" :roll: . A party to Orban's right, Jobbik, though, is a Holocaust-skeptic party, and includes some open Holocaust dissidents (deniers/revisionists) (Wiki: "In 2014 Tibor Ágoston, the deputy chairman of Jobbik's Debrecen and Hajdú-Bihar County organization, referred to the Holocaust as the 'holoscam'..."). Jobbik got an impressive 20% of the popular vote in the April 2014 parliamentary elections to Orban's center-right ruling party's 45% and a center-left coalition's 25%.....



I won't claim gains being made were "enormous", but resistance has become louder in the comment section of Holocaust-themed articles.

But the Holocaust-pushers weren't a majority neither. They were a well-connected vanguard of activists working within the system, while Revisionists work from outside the system.

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Re: When and where will we see first openly-Holocaust-revisionist head of a European government?

Postby Lysander_Spooner » 2 months 3 days ago (Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:14 am)

Hungary.

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Re: When and where will we see first openly-Holocaust-revisionist head of a European government?

Postby FJI » 2 months 3 days ago (Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:17 am)

The biggest consequences for an openly revisionist European government would be access to (((finance))) and sanctions from the E.U.
It would be a brave head of state to openly question the Holocau$t.

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Re: When and where will we see first openly-Holocaust-revisionist head of a European government?

Postby Sannhet » 2 months 2 days ago (Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:36 pm)

Lysander_Spooner wrote:Hungary.

A fine guess, but a point against Hungary is that it does have Holocaust Enforcement laws (passed in early 2010, just months before the first national election [April 2010] in which Jobbik performed well [17% of popular vote] and which Orban's party emerged at the front; Orban has been Hungary's PM from May 2010 to Present). Orban's Hungary has put this law to use: This case made the news as purportedly the first case of a Hungarian jailed under the new Hungarian Holocaust Enforcement law:
Gyorgy Nagy [b. circa 1971] was arrested in October 2011 at a rally in the capital city. The unemployed computer technician was holding up a banner reading: “The Shoah [Holocaust] did not happen,” according to SkyNews.
His trial concluded in early 2013; convicted. I don't know how much time he actually spent in jail due to that banner.

However,
On June 8, 2010, the newly elected Fidesz-dominated parliament [Fidesz is Viktor Orban's party] changed the formulation of the law to "punish those, who deny the genocides committed by national socialist or communist systems, or deny other facts of deeds against humanity".[41] The word "Holocaust" is no longer in the law.

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Re: When and where will we see first openly-Holocaust-revisionist head of a European government?

Postby Sannhet » 2 months 2 days ago (Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:02 pm)

I would note here that although he does not qualify as a head of a European government under any possible post-Roman understanding of 'Europe,' Mahmoud Abbas (b. 1934), Palestinian President since 2004, is a Holocaust revisionist:

In his 1984 book, based on the dissertation, Abbas dismissed as a "myth" and "fantastic lie" that six million Jews had died in the Holocaust,[86][87][88] writing that the real figure of Jews killed by Germans was at most "890,000" or "a few hundred thousand".[89][88] The number of such deaths, he claimed, had been exaggerated for political purposes, since:
it seems that the interest of the Zionist movement ... is to inflate this figure so that their gains will be greater. This led them to emphasize this figure [six million] in order to gain the solidarity of international public opinion with Zionism. Many scholars have debated the figure of six million and reached stunning conclusions—fixing the number of Jewish victims at only a few hundred thousand.[85][90]

Another reason Mahmoud Abbas may not even qualify as a head of government is that the state he heads is under (apparently permanent) Jewish military occupation, his people in ghettos, his state not recognized by the world's powerful players.

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Re: When and where will we see first openly-Holocaust-revisionist head of a European government?

Postby Sannhet » 2 months 2 days ago (Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:09 pm)

Hektor wrote:the Holocaust-pushers weren't a majority neither. They were a well-connected vanguard of activists working within the system, while Revisionists work from outside the system.

Hektor, this is a very good point. I am reminded of Trump, who single-handedly defied the "well-connected network," of center-left/center-right mass politics in the USA, and won, in 2016. This is what would be required for a major Western or even a minor European leader to be openly Holocaust-revisionist. It would be a lonely road for the first one to do it.

Trump has said some things since his emergence as a candidate in June 2015 that are almost as outrageous to the "well-connected network" and its power as Holocaust Denial itself would be. Whether Trump himself has ever taken Holocaust-revisionist scholarship seriously is something I do not know.

There are some hints that Trump or others around him in the White House now are conscious opponents of Holocaust Tyranny. Opposing Holocaust Tyranny and knowing the truth about the Holocaust are not necessarily the same.

As for Holocaust-revisionist U.S. politicians. The only U.S. politician I know of who has expressed essentially openly Holocaust-revisionist views is Pat Buchanan (b. 1938). See his Wiki page's 'Holocaust Denial' subsection. Pat Buchanan had his political height in the early 1990s and since then has been a major figure on the so-called paleoconservative Right, or old-line American nationalist Right. No fringe figure, he was a regular guest on TV news shows from the 1980s through the 2010s here and a syndicated columnist. Buchanan is considerably better informed than Trump on matters like this; Trump won in 2016 using many of Buchanan's ideas and rhetoric from twenty-five years earlier.


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