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Former Trump White House official accused of questioning the Six Million figure

Postby Sannhet » 1 month 3 days ago (Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:56 pm)

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"[W]e will be making a $25,000 donation to The Simon Wiesenthal Center."
--Anthony Scaramucci, October 17, 2017
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This Anthony Scaramucci (b. 1964) was involved with the Trump transition team from November 2016 to January 2017, with a formal position in the White House from late January to late July 2017. He was briefly White House Director of Communications (July 2017).
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24 hours earlier (or so):
[Washington Post:] Anthony Scaramucci lasted only 11 days in the White House, and his so-called media company lasted less than a month after its launch before becoming embroiled in a Holocaust denial scandal.

The Scaramucci Post began its Tuesday by asking Twitter followers [...] “How many Jews were killed in the Holocaust?” the account asked in a poll. Options ranged from “less than one million” to “more than 5 million.” The correct answer [sic...] received 68 percent of the vote.

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Scaramucci claims the Holocaust poll was put up without his knowledge by a colleague.

Note that with almost 5,000 people voting, 21% said "Less than one million." I do not know if this can be taken as a rough estimate of revisionist feeling among politically engaged, right-of-center Americans who would have been following this Scaramucci character on Twitter during the half-a-day when the poll was up.



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Re: Former Trump White House official accused of questioning the Six Million figure

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 day ago (Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:40 pm)

Sannhet wrote:.... Scaramucci claims the Holocaust poll was put up without his knowledge by a colleague.

Note that with almost 5,000 people voting, 21% said "Less than one million." I do not know if this can be taken as a rough estimate of revisionist feeling among politically engaged, right-of-center Americans who would have been following this Scaramucci character on Twitter during the half-a-day when the poll was up.

I guess it says that a significant number of people believe there is something seriously wrong with the Holocaust narrative.

I doubt those are only rightists posting there, I'm pretty certain alarmed Holocaust-disciples shared that tweet and drew attention to it.

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Re: Former Trump White House official accused of questioning the Six Million figure

Postby Sannhet » 1 month 12 hours ago (Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:21 pm)

New development: Today, Mr. Scaramucci has put up a new poll to try to redeem himself and urged his followers to "Vote for Six Million" :? .

Anthony Scaramucci‏ @Scaramucci [3:54 PM 20 Oct 2017] [Link]
Please vote & retweet. Do not let Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites control this poll.

Six million Jews perished in the Holocaust.

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ScaramucciPost‏ @ScaramucciPost [2:22 PM 20 Oct 2017] [Link]

How many Jews were killed during the Holocaust?

  • Less than one million
  • Between 1-2 million
  • Between 2-3 million
  • More than five million
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In the new poll, with 28,000 votes so far:
- 25% say "Less than one million"
- 69% saying "More than five million."

This is a better result for revisionism than the original poll... Although not a scientific poll, I think the result does tell us that a large share of the highly-politically-engaged know the truth about the Holocaust.

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Re: Former Trump White House official accused of questioning the Six Million figure

Postby Sannhet » 1 month 12 hours ago (Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:46 pm)

The Twitter feed for Scaramucci Post has gone nuts. It is now All Holocaust All the Time. Begging for mercy. As the President of the United States likes to say: Sad!

Some recent Tweets from Scaramucci Post:
It is only a little more than seventy years since the Holocaust ended and knowledge of it is slipping.
It's not an opinion poll. It's a fact poll to highlight the ignorance of the Holocaust, or at worst to highlight extreme Anti-Semitism.
I apologize for using the word perished here. As has been pointed out to me, exterminated is a better word.
Please follow the @AuschwitzMuseum
[retweet from Erin Blakemore]
As a person and a writer, I leave Auschwitz with a renewed resolution to remember that its stories are so much more than words on a page.
[retweet from Erin Blakemore]
[email protected] has invested a gigantic amount of money and effort into conserving artifacts left behind at the camp.
[retweet from Erin Blakemore]
It is shocking because it is shocking. It is incomprehensible because it is incomprehensible. Its entire point was to kill, humiliate.
[retweet from Erin Blakemore]
Imagine lying in one of these bunks and realizing your entire family had just been killed. The chaos and fear of adjusting to your new life.
[retweet from Dr. Waid]
Forsensic archeologists have studied it. Educated fact-based arguments > your blatant antisemitism

[This tweet is in reply to a revisionist Twitter user's debunking of a news article "Unearthing the Atrocities of Nazi Death Camps"]
#DidYouKnow more than 35% of the Jewish population perished in the Holocaust?
Thx Seth. This is not the end, but only the beginning of our efforts here to make we honor the memory of the 6,000,000.
[retweet from @KekBattalion]
Causing an open discussion about the Holocaust did not cause this. The lack of one did.

[note: I don't think Scaramucci or whoever retweeted this realized this is a revisionist argument]

They put up two other polls of very esoteric Holocaust stuff:
(1) "What was the worldwide Jewish population in 1939?" (Link)
Options: Less than five million , ~7 million , ~12 million , ~17 million
(2) "What percentage of the Jewish population worldwide perished during the Holocaust?" (Link)
Options: 30% , 33% , 35% , 50%
To illustrate that more than 35% of the Jewish population perished at the hands of Hitler - yimakh shemo ve zikhro
We feel knowledge of the Holocaust amongst the millennial generation and younger needs to be greater.
There is lot of disinformation about the genocidal tragedy that is the Shoah.
All of it, rhetorical flailing around, begging for forgiveness.

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Re: Former Trump White House official accused of questioning the Six Million figure

Postby Hektor » 4 weeks 2 days ago (Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:19 pm)

Sannhet wrote:...
ScaramucciPost‏ @ScaramucciPost [2:22 PM 20 Oct 2017] [Link]

How many Jews were killed during the Holocaust?

  • Less than one million
  • Between 1-2 million
  • Between 2-3 million
  • More than five million
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In the new poll, with 28,000 votes so far:
- 25% say "Less than one million"
- 69% saying "More than five million."

This is a better result for revisionism than the original poll... Although not a scientific poll, I think the result does tell us that a large share of the highly-politically-engaged know the truth about the Holocaust.


Not a scientific polls, but it reached an audience of which 28000 did engage and 7000 indicated that they are of the opinion, they're being lied to regarding the Holocaust issue.

Of course that doesn't mean they're all well informed regarding all the arguments within the debate. Twitter is merely an exchange platforms for short opinion statements people make there. But that way a lot of people may just realize that not everybody eats up the Holocaust narrative for sweet cake and the hegemony of the Holocaust basically rests on the control of information, emotional manipulation and peer pressure to believe what everybody else, especially authority figures, seem to believe. The emperors new cloths come to mind.

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Re: Former Trump White House official accused of questioning the Six Million figure

Postby Sannhet » 4 weeks 1 day ago (Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:03 pm)

Hektor wrote:a lot of people may just realize that not everybody eats up the Holocaust narrative for sweet cake and the hegemony of the Holocaust basically rests on the control of information, emotional manipulation and peer pressure to believe what everybody else, especially authority figures, seem to believe.

Well said.

In this sense, it is questionable whether most people care if a poll is 'scientific' or not, nor understand what that means. The President of the United States himself often used non-scientific poll results, during last year's campaign, to brag about his popularity. Most people think emotionally and follow the dominant trends, as you say.
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The poll is now at 44,500 votes. It is set to close about October 26. The voting pattern has not changed:
Less than One Million: 25%
More than Five Million: 69%

[Ratio of Belief in the Holocaust : Rejection of Holocaust Story] among the poll voters
100 : 36

(Holocaust Enforcers would like you to believe the ratio is 100 : <5.)

Though the poll is not scientific, it is an example of revisionist dynamism in the Internet marketplace of ideas.

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Note on followership:
Anthony Scaramucci (@Scaramucci, created March 2009) has 850,000 Twitter followers. He has several times retweeted the new Holocaust poll to his 850,000 followers. Presumably many of these are not active Twitter users.

Scaramucci Post (@ScaramucciPost, created Aug. 2017), which created the poll, has 26,000 Twitter followers.

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Re: Former Trump White House official accused of questioning the Six Million figure

Postby Lothario » 2 weeks 5 days ago (Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:47 pm)

David Cole has written his weekly column on this subject (http://takimag.com/article/how_many_jews_can_be_gassed_on_the_head_of_a_pin_david_cole. He got involved because some conservative journalist, who referenced to Cole on why he doesn't believe in the gas chambers, had a meeting with two high-ranking Republicans. This, of course, created a fuss.

He sees the poll as prove of how crappy knowledge about the 'holocaust' is, because the right answer is between 3 and 3.5 million. All based on his (wrong) interpretation of the Korherr Report. Then he goes on about registered inmates and the Red Cross.
There is an easy answer to why the Red Cross had no access to Treblinka, Belzec, Chelmno and Sobibor: they were transit camps, there was nothing of interest there for the Red Cross.

He also references Rudolf's Dissecting the Holocaust for the amount of registered inmates in Auschwitz. I really wish he and Rudolf would have a debate on the subject of (jewish) casualties and the Reinhard camps. Like he says himself: "We’re all born ignorant of history; the idiots are the ones who hear the truth and still cling to falsehoods." I simply don't understand why he remains an idiot.
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Re: Former Trump White House official accused of questioning the Six Million figure

Postby Hektor » 2 weeks 4 days ago (Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:41 am)

Sannhet wrote:
Hektor wrote:a lot of people may just realize that not everybody eats up the Holocaust narrative for sweet cake and the hegemony of the Holocaust basically rests on the control of information, emotional manipulation and peer pressure to believe what everybody else, especially authority figures, seem to believe.

Well said.

In this sense, it is questionable whether most people care if a poll is 'scientific' or not, nor understand what that means. The President of the United States himself often used non-scientific poll results, during last year's campaign, to brag about his popularity. Most people think emotionally and follow the dominant trends, as you say.
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The poll is now at 44,500 votes. It is set to close about October 26. The voting pattern has not changed:
Less than One Million: 25%
More than Five Million: 69%

[Ratio of Belief in the Holocaust : Rejection of Holocaust Story] among the poll voters
100 : 36
......


One issue with polls is whether people state what they really believe or just go with the flow anyway. It's especially a problem, when there are taboos constructed around a subject.
I'd also say there are always more than two positions on a subject and it may become more complicates with increased complexity of the subject (which is the case with the Holocaust as such). Three positions are basic to the Holocaust:
1. I believe that the Holocaust is true.
2. I do not believe the Holocaust is true.
3. I do believe that the Holocaust is untrue.

3 is different from 2. No. 2 only requires that the evidence was either absent or not convincing. 3 means, you looked at the evidence, including the circumstantial one and became convinced that people are actually disseminate untruth or are lying. The fact that atrocity propaganda and related rumors were part and parcel from the beginning would support position 3.

The omnipresence of Holocaust related claims in media and education sets the playing field for people just believing the story by some default. After all we can rely on what educators, politicians and journalist are telling us, can't we!?

So credulity does play a role in the believe and not having scrutinized all the relevant facts critically. The mode of presentation of the Holocaust in a manipulative way should actually raise the needles of bullshit-detectors, but with many people it doesn't.

A raising number of people defecting from No 1 and start to support position 2 or 3 is an indicator that the story isn't swallowed on face value anymore and that more people may have had a serious look at Revisionist arguments over time.


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