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Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Elroy » 3 weeks 9 hours ago (Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:09 pm)

During a discussion with an English woman, left leaning and a hardened believer, the subject of shaving the head has come up.

To which she cited this document/source..

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/dachau ... -hair.html

SS-Wirtschaftsverwaltungshauptamt

Oranienburg,
August 6. 1942

Amtsgruppe D - Concentration Camps
D II 288 Ma./Ha. Tgb. 112 geh.

SECRET!
Copy 13

Re: Use of hair cuttings

To the Commandants of the Concentration Camps Arb., Au., Bu., Da., Flo., Gr.Ro., Lu., Maut/Gu., Na., Nie., Neu., Rav., Sahs., Stutth., Mor., SS SL Hinzert.

SS Obergruppen fuhrer Pohl, Chief of the SS Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt has ordered that the hair of concentration camp prisoners is to be put to use. Hair is to be made into industrial felt or spun into yarn. Woman's hair is to be used in the manufacture of hair-yarn socks for 'U'-boat crews and hair-felt foot-wear for the Reichs-railway.

It is therefore ordered that the hair of female prisoners be disinfected and stored. Men's hair can only be put to use if it is longer than 20 mm. SS Obergruppen fuhrer Pohl therefore agrees for an intial trial period to the growing of the prisoners hair to a length of 20 mm before it is cut. Long hair could facillitate escape and to avoid this the camp commandants may have a middle parting shaved in the prisoners' hair as a distinguishing mark, if they think it is necessary.

It is planned to planned to set up a hair processing workshop in one of the concentration camps. Further details as to the delivery of the accumulated hair will follow.

The total monthly amount of male and female hair is to be reported to this office on the 5th of every month beginning from September 5, 1942.

signed: Glucks
SS-Brigadefuhrer und
Generalmajor der Waffen-SS

(Translation of a report from IMT, Band XX, Nurnberg 1947, taken from Concentration Camp Dachau 1933-1945, ISBN 3-87490-528-4, p. 137; Plate 282 with translation.)


Fraud?



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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby DissentingOpinions » 3 weeks 7 hours ago (Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:35 pm)

"Long hair could help facilitate escape" ; The complete utter ridiculousness of this statement made me chuckle - no way is this real. :lol:

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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Dresden » 3 weeks 6 hours ago (Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:11 pm)

DissentingOpinions wrote:"Long hair could help facilitate escape" ; The complete utter ridiculousness of this statement made me chuckle - no way is this real. :lol:


Rapunzel ..... let down your hair.

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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Hannover » 3 weeks 47 minutes ago (Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:56 pm)

Notice that we do not see the authentic German original language document that is alleged.

What we see is supposedly a:
"Translation of a report from IMT, Band XX, Nurnberg 1947, taken from Concentration Camp Dachau 1933-1945, ISBN 3-87490-528-4, p. 137; Plate 282 with translation.)
Seriously?
Why don't we see the German language original?

Because:
1. The authentic German language original does not say in German what this "translation" says in English.
or:
2. There is not even an authentic German language original which was used as the basis of the fake translation.
IOW, the fake "translation" was made from scratch.

What we do have is an example of the massive fakery, forgery, coercion, and lies presented at the Nuremberg Show Trials .

- Hannover

- U.S. Congressional Representative, Lawrence H. Smith of Wisconsin said:
" The Nuremberg Trials are so repugnant to the Anglo-Saxon principles of justice that we must forever be ashamed of that page in our history."
Congressional Record, appendix, v.95, sec.14, 6/15/49
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:24 am)

Well even if this is an accurate translation it proves what exactly? This left leaning woman managed to have this document to hand in a discussion about the veracity of the holocaust. Really? It is very obscure and if she hangs her belief in the six million myth on this type of piece she's sadly misguided.
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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Elroy » 2 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:14 am)

borjastick wrote:Well even if this is an accurate translation it proves what exactly? This left leaning woman managed to have this document to hand in a discussion about the veracity of the holocaust. Really? It is very obscure and if she hangs her belief in the six million myth on this type of piece she's sadly misguided.


Of course I know as well as the rest of us here that it's a complete fraud as Hannover and the others described above.

But to this girls defense, she comes with the standard brainwashed mind about the issue to be sure and with the standard wiring to believe in lies over truth and real evidence that our society today instills in us.

The problem though is she represents the "average person" and in fact she had zero knowledge of the holocaust myth whatsoever and zero prior interest in it prior to our encounter, nor any idea of it's importance. She only "knew" that it was a historical fact and that holocaust deniers were sick anti-semitic nazi like people who are telling the lies.

She has been watching "One Third of the Holocaust" and taking notes at early stages and when encountering the hair at the Nuremberg trials she "did some research" and pulled that document.

Yes- it reads utterly ridiculous. And yes there are obvious technical problems with the report of course. But to her- she does not know and takes things only at face value within the strong spell she is under.

But she is not the focus- she represents Western culture in general under the spell.

To her credit and defense- she stated "I do not know if this is a truthful account or reputable source"- in other words she is at this stage trying to form counter arguments to One Third whilst at the same time also being accepting of points as well.

I think it's worth pointing out episodes like this in ordinary peoples being confronted with a truth that is shattering to a worldview.

It is no different than any other religious person being confronted about their beliefs in my opinion.

But her "rational/analytical method of testing a hypothesis so far has been quite admirable in my opinion.

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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Kingfisher » 2 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:39 am)

I see no mention in this document of killing anyone. Quite the opposite: people are to be kept alive so that their hair can grow! I agree that it smells a bit iffy, but even if perfectly genuine whatis it supposed to prove?

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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Reviso » 2 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:08 am)

I too think that there is nothing incriminatory in this document (USSR-511). Carlos Whitlock Porter has studied the German "original". See here :
https://www.cwporter.com/gussr511.htm

By the way, the English "translation" is in the XX-th IMT volume , p. 353, here :
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/ ... Vol-XX.pdf
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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Neckartailfingen451 » 2 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:57 am)

It is a well known established fact Typhus was rampant in the camps and the Germans were doing all they could to get it under control. If you accept this, then the idea of The Third Reich collecting, processing and shipping this lice-infested hair all over Europe becomes ludicrous and loony.
Defenders of the hair myth insist the hair was essential for the insulation of u-boats. Is there any record in Naval records of the shipyard delivery of this material? Can a u-boat be inspected today for evidence of the speshul hair? Is there any record of human hair being collected in the barber shops and beauty salons of The Greater Reich?
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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Reviso » 2 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:33 am)

Neckartailfingen451 wrote:the idea of The Third Reich collecting, processing and shipping this lice-infested hair all over Europe becomes ludicrous and loony.


Is it impossible that the hair was disinfected with Zyklon B ?
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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:53 am)

Reviso wrote:
Neckartailfingen451 wrote:the idea of The Third Reich collecting, processing and shipping this lice-infested hair all over Europe becomes ludicrous and loony.


Is it impossible that the hair was disinfected with Zyklon B ?
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It is quite possible that the hair was disinfected but that's not really the issue. I too have heard that hair was used to make military socks, indeed I think I have seen a pair for sale on one specialist military web site, but the volume of hair recovered in the anti typhus process would be enormous and so it would need to be put to use elsewhere such as bedding and the like. More likely as this hair would have had lice it would be burned.
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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Elroy » 2 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:25 pm)

Reviso wrote:I too think that there is nothing incriminatory in this document (USSR-511). Carlos Whitlock Porter has studied the German "original". See here :
https://www.cwporter.com/gussr511.htm

By the way, the English "translation" is in the XX-th IMT volume , p. 353, here :
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/ ... Vol-XX.pdf
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Well Carlos Porter is wrong and the document is fake.

As indicated above- collecting the lice infected human hair, flammable, biological and harbouring of bacteria attracting pests too.

Again- the typhus infected lice throughout the hair..

To imagine the German's collecting this to be used industrially transported back to Germany with otherwise strict quarantine practices-

Can you see how absurd that is? That alone is enough to see that this is direct evidence for "document fraud". A court of law with fair rules could not fail to reach that conclusion.

And "USSR" lol

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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Reviso » 2 weeks 5 days ago (Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:15 am)

Elroy wrote:
Reviso wrote:I too think that there is nothing incriminatory in this document (USSR-511). Carlos Whitlock Porter has studied the German "original". See here :
https://www.cwporter.com/gussr511.htm

By the way, the English "translation" is in the XX-th IMT volume , p. 353, here :
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/ ... Vol-XX.pdf
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Well Carlos Porter is wrong and the document is fake.


I didn't say that Carlos Porter thinks the document is authentic. He thinks it is false.
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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Elroy » 2 weeks 5 days ago (Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:49 am)

Reviso wrote:
Elroy wrote:
Reviso wrote:I too think that there is nothing incriminatory in this document (USSR-511). Carlos Whitlock Porter has studied the German "original". See here :
https://www.cwporter.com/gussr511.htm

By the way, the English "translation" is in the XX-th IMT volume , p. 353, here :
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/ ... Vol-XX.pdf
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Well Carlos Porter is wrong and the document is fake.


I didn't say that Carlos Porter thinks the document is authentic. He thinks it is false.
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My bad- sorry :) STRIKE that from the record.

Given the content of the alleged document alone even I can't see how he'd fail to reach that conclusion.

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Re: Hair harvesting IMT document

Postby Neckartailfingen451 » 1 week 2 days ago (Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:33 am)

Years ago I indexed 'I escaped Hitler's Ovens' by Olga Lengyel as part of my effort to deconstruct and critique this great eyewitness account. It took me a week and a half to locate the notes in the files of my reference library (read archaeological strata of books, newspapers and and pamphlets).
On page 23: "We were pushed into another room where men and women, armed with scissors and clippers, waited for us. We were to be clipped and depilated. The hair was accumulated in large sacks, evidently to be utilised for some purpose. Human hair was one of the precious raw materials which German industry needed.1"
Yes! This paragraph is footnoted: 1'They used it to fill mattresses and cushions. The families of the Third Reich slept on the hair of its victims.'

"....our barbers were hardly professional....they left irregular tufts on our skulls---as though they deliberately sought to make us look ridiculous.."

Precious material (no mention of typhus lice) used to create throw pillows and sofa seats???
"Depilated"? Hints broadly at possibility body hair was collected as well.
Ridiculous looking clumps of hair? These workers were wasting a precious raw material. Was this passive resistance against the Third Reich?
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