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Amazon Bans Rudolf's Demolition of Deborah Lipstadt's bungling, anti-science, ad hominem attacks !

Postby Hannover » 1 week 6 days ago (Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:01 pm)

Just in! Amazon suppresses free speech .... again.

They have banned Germar Rudolf's complete demolition of Deborah Lipstadt's anti science, irrational attempts to refute Revisionist research.
More to come on this.

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Bungled: “Denying the Holocaust”
How Deborah Lipstadt Botched Her Attempt to Demon-strate the Growing Assault on Truth and Memory

By Germar Rudolf

With her book Denying the Holocaust, Deborah Lipstadt tried to show the flawed methods and extremist motives of “Holocaust deniers,” who, so the book’s description claims, have “no more credibility than the assertion that the earth is flat.”

Backed up with hundreds of references to thoroughly researched studies, the present book demonstrates that Dr. Lipstadt clearly has neither understood what the principles and methods of science and scholarship are, nor has she any clue about the historical topics she is writing about. She misquotes, mistranslates, misrepresents, misinterprets, and makes a plethora of wild claims without backing them up with anything. Among other things, she utterly fails to use generally recognized standards of evidence. Given the way she handles documents and data, it is clear that she has no interest in scholarship or reason. In fact, truth has been the antithesis of her enterprise.

Rather than dealing thoroughly with factual arguments, Lipstadt’s book is full of ad hominem attacks on her opponents. It is an exercise in anti-intellectual pseudo-scientific arguments, an exhibition of ideological radicalism that rejects anything which contradicts its preset conclusions.

Since she admits herself that her opponents’ motives are irrelevant, as an inescapable consequence, so is her book.

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Re: Amazon Bans Rudolf's Demolition of Deborah Lipstadt's bungling, anti-science, ad hominem attacks !

Postby Merlin300 » 1 week 6 days ago (Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:17 pm)

I think it is a mistake to blame just Amazon for its blacklisting of books. There is intense pressure to criminalize Revisionist books and it is coming from the Conservative governments in England and Germany.

On December 12, 2016 United Kingdom’s Prime Minister Theresa May announced that her government will officially adopt a greatly expanded "working definition" of anti-Semitism, while also saying it was “disgusting” that anti-Semitic views are found in British politics.
This new and expanded definition was created by EU Monitoring Center on Racism and Xenophobia (without consulting any Revisionists) and has been accepted by various governments since including the 31 countries of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.

In Germany Federal Minister of Justice and Consumer Protection Heiko Maas has announced that Facebook must obey German law even if free speech is curtailed:

"Holocaust denial and inciting racial hatred are crimes in Germany, and it doesn't matter if they're posted on Facebook or uttered out in the public on the market square... Germany has zero tolerance for such expression." Draconian criminal penalties can be imposed against companies that engage in "anti-Semitism" (as newly defined) and also against their corporate officers.


Seventy percent of American voters view anti-Semitism as a "very" or "somewhat serious" problem according to a survey conducted by Quinnipiac University.

This widespread aversion to "anti-semitism" is being crafted into a useful tool by defenders of orthodox Holocaust history. The gambit is to define Revisionism as “anti-semitic,” thus creating a widely accepted justification for the criminalization of Revisionist discussion, the avoidance of honest research, the banning of books, and the blacklisting of scholars.

There are few politicians who will stand up for Free Speech against accusations of being
"Anti-Semitic."

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Re: Amazon Bans Rudolf's Demolition of Deborah Lipstadt's bungling, anti-science, ad hominem attacks !

Postby Hektor » 1 week 6 days ago (Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:44 am)

Merlin300 wrote:I think it is a mistake to blame just Amazon for its blacklisting of books. There is intense pressure to criminalize Revisionist books and it is coming from the Conservative governments in England and Germany.
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Please, how are the governments in Germany or England conservative? What are they preserving other then some status quo power interests?

Merlin300 wrote:In Germany Federal Minister of Justice and Consumer Protection Heiko Maas has announced that Facebook must obey German law even if free speech is curtailed:

"Holocaust denial and inciting racial hatred are crimes in Germany, and it doesn't matter if they're posted on Facebook or uttered out in the public on the market square... Germany has zero tolerance for such expression." Draconian criminal penalties can be imposed against companies that engage in "anti-Semitism" (as newly defined) and also against their corporate officers.
It should be noted that this was a "German" specialty at first. There may be similar legislation in other countries now, but the impertinence of this statement is that they are extending their claim to persecute people for such "offenses" globally.

Merlin300 wrote:Seventy percent of American voters view anti-Semitism as a "very" or "somewhat serious" problem according to a survey conducted by Quinnipiac University.

This widespread aversion to "anti-semitism" is being crafted into a useful tool by defenders of orthodox Holocaust history. The gambit is to define Revisionism as “anti-semitic,” thus creating a widely accepted justification for the criminalization of Revisionist discussion, the avoidance of honest research, the banning of books, and the blacklisting of scholars.

There are few politicians who will stand up for Free Speech against accusations of being
"Anti-Semitic."

Indeed. What makes it especially silly is the fact that Anti-Semitism is objectively viewed not really a big deal at all. There's certainly far higher resentment or even hate against other groups like Muslims, Blacks or even Germans. The later based on Holocausting and actually balanced by the fact that Germans are not a problematic group to most people at all. Well, unless you're business competes with products of Germans of course. Anti-Semitism is just the problem that happens to be the most promoted and medially focused on.

Back to Amazon, I've no idea how their system works, but with social media it isn't even the top management that takes a decision there. There system of reporting and banning may be designed in a way that accounts, entries or products get taken off, that simply receive the most complaints from users. That's of course prone to be abused by orchestrated reporting campaigns.

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Re: Amazon Bans Rudolf's Demolition of Deborah Lipstadt's bungling, anti-science, ad hominem attacks !

Postby Kingfisher » 1 week 6 days ago (Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:16 am)

I think Merlin is right to shift responsibility away from Amazon. They held out for a very long time before giving in to an orchestrated campaign earlier this year, and after that continued to list new books from Germar. It was obvious that they were going to get called out on this and would have to give in to the same pressures they gave in to earlier.

He is also right about the worrying shift in the United Kingdom. Theresa May is a rabid Zionist who even before becoming PM attended anniversary celebrations of the state of Israel and made fawning speeches. She is also prominent in Conservative Friends of Israel and made an address to the Jewish Community on Rosh Hashanah.
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Re: Amazon Bans Rudolf's Demolition of Deborah Lipstadt's bungling, anti-science, ad hominem attacks !

Postby Hannover » 1 week 5 days ago (Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:28 am)

I find attempts to excuse Amazon's repressive behavior to be highly misleading, unnecessarily forgiving.
Consenting to requests of censorship is approval of censorship.
Recall the word complicity.

Amazon DID ban the book.

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Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline.
And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.

Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Amazon Bans Rudolf's Demolition of Deborah Lipstadt's bungling, anti-science, ad hominem attacks !

Postby David M » 1 week 5 days ago (Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:35 pm)

Hektor wrote:
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Please, how are the governments in Germany or England conservative? What are they preserving other then some status quo power interests?
You are correct but my point was that support for the Holocaust Myth spans the political spectrum.
In fact, Conservatives like PM May tries to prove her anti-Anti-Semitic bonafides by bashing Revisionists.


Merlin300 wrote:In Germany Federal Minister of Justice and Consumer Protection Heiko Maas has announced that Facebook must obey German law even if free speech is curtailed:

"Holocaust denial and inciting racial hatred are crimes in Germany, and it doesn't matter if they're posted on Facebook or uttered out in the public on the market square... Germany has zero tolerance for such expression." Draconian criminal penalties can be imposed against companies that engage in "anti-Semitism" (as newly defined) and also against their corporate officers.
It should be noted that this was a "German" specialty at first. There may be similar legislation in other countries now, but the impertinence of this statement is that they are extending their claim to persecute people for such "offenses" globally.

Merlin300 wrote:Seventy percent of American voters view anti-Semitism as a "very" or "somewhat serious" problem according to a survey conducted by Quinnipiac University.

This widespread aversion to "anti-semitism" is being crafted into a useful tool by defenders of orthodox Holocaust history. The gambit is to define Revisionism as “anti-semitic,” thus creating a widely accepted justification for the criminalization of Revisionist discussion, the avoidance of honest research, the banning of books, and the blacklisting of scholars.

There are few politicians who will stand up for Free Speech against accusations of being
"Anti-Semitic."

Indeed. What makes it especially silly is the fact that Anti-Semitism is objectively viewed not really a big deal at all. There's certainly far higher resentment or even hate against other groups like Muslims, Blacks or even Germans. The later based on Holocausting and actually balanced by the fact that Germans are not a problematic group to most people at all. Well, unless you're business competes with products of Germans of course. Anti-Semitism is just the problem that happens to be the most promoted and medially focused on.

Back to Amazon, I've no idea how their system works, but with social media it isn't even the top management that takes a decision there. There system of reporting and banning may be designed in a way that accounts, entries or products get taken off, that simply receive the most complaints from users. That's of course prone to be abused by orchestrated reporting campaigns.[/quote]
Correct again. It seems amazing to me that Believers accuse Revisionists of spreading "Hate" because we do not believe sick impossible tales of Germans throwing babies into bon fires! And the disconcerting part of Amazons response is that it is all probably automatic! We are jousting with a computer.

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Pulletzer Prize to Amazon?

Postby David M » 1 week 5 days ago (Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:45 pm)

Hannover wrote:I find attempts to excuse Amazon's repressive behavior to be highly misleading, unnecessarily forgiving.
Consenting to requests of censorship is approval of censorship.
Recall the word complicity.

Amazon DID ban the book.

- Hannover

Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline.
And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.

Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

Please note that I did use the word "just." I do think that it is important to understand the evolution of these attacks on Free Speech and Revisionism, that being whore politicians and bureaucrats who sell their own people down the river
for a few pieces of silver.
I agree that Amazon did nothing honorable or decent...maybe we should nominate it for the "Pulletzer" Prize in defense of Free Speech?


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Re: Amazon Bans Rudolf's Demolition of Deborah Lipstadt's bungling, anti-science, ad hominem attacks !

Postby Kingfisher » 1 week 5 days ago (Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:07 pm)

Of course Amazon should have held out. Losing them is a terrible blow to Germar and other Revisionist publishers and anger and resentment are understandable and justified, but what right have we to tell them they must put principle and our interests above threats of very serious damage to them? They have a business to run and we don't know what these threats were that were brought against them, though we can guess it was an "offer they can't refuse". The Holocaust Industry wields enormous power, enough to silence opposition by force of law in most of the Western world outside the US, the British Isles and Scandinavia, as well as mainstream media and academia everywhere, I'm not defending what they did but I think we also have show a degree of understanding of the sort of pressure they are under and to recognise that they did hold out for many years, during which Amazon was probably the most important channel leading many of us (me certainly) to discover Revisionism and Revisionist works.

Worry next about YouTube.

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Re: Amazon Bans Rudolf's Demolition of Deborah Lipstadt's bungling, anti-science, ad hominem attacks !

Postby Mortimer » 1 week 4 days ago (Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:06 pm)

Merlin300 wrote:

Seventy percent of American voters view anti-Semitism as a "very" or "somewhat serious" problem according to a survey conducted by Quinnipiac University.

This widespread aversion to "anti-semitism" is being crafted into a useful tool by defenders of orthodox Holocaust history. The gambit is to define Revisionism as “anti-semitic,” thus creating a widely accepted justification for the criminalization of Revisionist discussion, the avoidance of honest research, the banning of books, and the blacklisting of scholars.

There are few politicians who will stand up for Free Speech against accusations of being
"Anti-Semitic."

If the son of the famous violinist Yehudi Menuhin can come out and openly admit that he is a holocaust revisionist then how is that anti-semitic ?
https://codoh.com/news/3347/
There is a list of other Jews who are revisionists here -
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6912


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