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Re: Monika Schaefer arrested in Germany

Postby Hektor » 4 months 1 week ago (Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:46 am)

phdnm wrote:
Loewen argued Canada is not doing enough to combat the spread of neo-Nazi ideas. There is no law against Holocaust denial, which is arguably a form of hate speech, he said.


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Canada may not have explicit legislation against "Holocaust denial", but in that case other legislation will be used against those expressing dissenting views on the Holocaust. The Zundel-case was an example for this. Jewish organizations will use lawfare to shut up dissenters by wasting their time and resources within legal pissing contests in court.



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Re: Monika Schaefer arrested in Germany

Postby Werd » 4 months 5 days ago (Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:58 am)

From blake121666
I just came across word of what Alfred Schaefer has been doing and has done on the first day of the Monika Schaefer trial in Germany.

Look at this video of what he has been up to:

https://www.bnaibrith.ca/hate_crimes_trial_under_way_for_german_canadian_siblings


"It's time to exterminate the kikes". What in the hell is this he's doing? Is this a joke? This is not a rhetorical question.

And what he did at the very beginning of the trial

"There was an incident right at the beginning that was really sort of horrible," Wild said. "When Alfred Schaefer was brought into the room, and he was joined by his sister who was brought in, he showed the Nazi salute three times in a row. This is really an outrageous incident in the courtroom.

"His sister, she was laughing at it, she was laughing."


So it's either lunacy or contempt we're seeing here. Such wouldn't be so bad if he weren't going around advocating extermination of the kikes! :?

This is clownish behavior.

I consider Alfred Schaefer to have a naively childish understanding of the world and correspondingly eccentrically half-baked conspiracy theories. This sort of behavior here is just nutty. Does he think he is being some kind of martyr or something? Is he shooting for some sort of insanity plea? What's to come of this? Will this be good, bad, or indifferent to any Revisionist cause? Or any cause for that matter?

Will Germans end up being allowed full free speech on such matters as these on consideration of how harmless this eccentric is?

Any thoughts?

Calling for the extermination of Jews? If those are truly his words and he means them, he is damaging his own cause as well as ours as revisionists. This is why those laws exist. To prevent calling and demanding physical extermination of people.

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Re: Monika Schaefer arrested in Germany

Postby Breker » 4 months 5 days ago (Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:28 am)

So what, Mr. Werd?
He certainly has gotten publicity about a senior citizen arrested for Thought Crimes & Free Speech. And no doubt that is his objective.
What's the expression? 'Any publicity is better than no publicity'.
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Re: Monika Schaefer arrested in Germany

Postby Hektor » 4 months 5 days ago (Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:59 pm)

Werd wrote:....
Calling for the extermination of Jews? If those are truly his words and he means them, he is damaging his own cause as well as ours as revisionists. This is why those laws exist. To prevent calling and demanding physical extermination of people.

If you had listened to the excerpts on the video, you'd know that this wasn't what he was doing.

What he did do is to state that there are more and more people making that kind of statement. And that the reason for this, is people getting pissed with what Jews are doing. I know this even happens in South Africa. Here it's the Palestinian issue that got some people make statements against Jews.

Alfred Schaefer didn't say it, but I bet you that's going to be the impression a substantial number of people is going to take with them after watching that video. As they say: Perception is all that matters. I disagree, but realize that perceptions are pretty important. So Schaefer's show may not have been the best option to pick. But you know what's worse than this? It's all the betacucks that now start condemning and distancing themselves from Schaefer, instead of simply ignoring it. The worst thing activists can do is apologizing and distancing themselves from someone or something. That's old auntie behavior they use in micro-social environments to "keep the peace" and to soft-coerce certain behaviors. It doesn't work in a macro-social environment where it is about power and vital interests are at stake.

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Re: Monika Schaefer arrested in Germany

Postby phdnm » 4 months 3 days ago (Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:06 am)

Trial of Monika Schaefer at Munich, day 6 from Richard Edmonds


14. Juli 2018

On the sixth day of the trial of Monika and Alfred Schaefer at the Munich court, 13th July 2018, Monika Schaefer gave her personal statement. Translation made by R. Edmonds.

Monika Schaefer read out her personal statement, which according to the judge is usually not permitted. But the judge accepted that Monika dos not speak German perfectly, hence he decided to make an exception. Monika related how she became engaged politically and how she felt herself deeply drawn to Green politics. She campaigned many times for political office. That had all continued till she had learnt that Israel’s wars were being justified by false claims. There-upon she left the party. She had learnt very early to think for herself.

She had made the video herself. Once she had made the film and put it in the public domain, she then felt a feeling of relief and felt freed from a heavy burden. She had always held her parents under a general suspicion, but now she knew that there was nothing to reproach them with, because History was quite contrary to what we had been told since 1945. This was this reason why she had apologized to her mother.

As a consequence of the success of the video, she had lost many friendships; and a campaign of ritual defamation commenced against her. For example, in a small newspaper of a town with five thousand inhabitants, readers‘ letters started appearing, written by readers from quite other districts, who would not normally read the news-paper. These readers‘ letters served the purpose of defaming her. At the beginning, she had to force herself to go to her front-door. However when one deliberately and with conviction breaks such a taboo, because one knows that the official claims regarding the period 1933 -1945 are a shabby lie, then such ritual defamations are easier to bear. Every attempt had been made to intimidate her. For example, she always rides by bicycle, and one day at the traffic lights a car had sped away from her throwing the sand of the street against her. Also attempts had been made to ruin her financially. Not a single student from her locality came any more to take instruction on violin-playing. A regular witch-hunt was organised against her. This witch-hunt had split the community in which she lived. Whilst many had turned away from her, on the other hand, many others whom she did not know had come to her; and they could not understand what was happening. In July 2016 a new local law gave permission for music to be played in the local park close to her. A licence for this was needed, but this licence was refused to her. Finally her brother had made the offer, that it was better to come to Germany, if the situation in Canada should become too dangerous for her.

The judge asked, why she had made a video rather than chosen to write an article. Also he wanted to know why she had given advice as to where information on the subject could be found, for example referring to the video about Ernst Zundel or “Questions about the HC.” Monika replied that she herself had found the sources very helpful in order to understand everything. She wanted to invite everybody to learn more in order to understand what had really taken place in the period of 1933 to 1945. In reply to the question from the judge, why she found the lie so shabby [threadbare, seedy, mean], Monika declared because the intention was that the guilt feelings should continue for ever. The fact that she was in prison proved that.


https://wir-sind-monika.com/2018/07/14/ ... d-edmonds/

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Re: Monika Schaefer arrested in Germany

Postby phdnm » 4 months 22 hours ago (Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:31 am)

Canada should help Holocaust denier on trial in Germany: civil liberties group


July 17, 2018

OTTAWA — A civil liberties group is urging the Canadian government to end the "unjust and immoral" imprisonment of Monika Schaefer, a German-Canadian woman on trial in Germany for publishing videos denying the Holocaust.

The Ontario Civil Liberties Association says it's concerned about Canada's apparent unwillingness to come to the aid of Schaefer, who it describes as a Canadian "political prisoner" who was charged with a German criminal law that does not exist in Canada and is contrary to international law.

In a letter signed by executive director Joseph Hickey, the association calls on Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould and Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland to act immediately, starting with appointing a consular observer and direct contact for Schaefer.

"We ask you both to do everything you can to save Monika Schaefer from her ongoing unjust and immoral imprisonment in Germany," the letter says. "Every day that Canada refuses to act or acts ineffectively is a day that Ms. Schaefer spends in a foreign jail. Therefore, we express the required urgency."

Schaefer ran for the Green party three times in Alberta's Yellowhead riding before the party rejected her candidacy in 2015. The next year, she appeared in a YouTube video denying the Holocaust, which prompted the party to publicly condemn her views.

In the video titled, "Sorry mom, I was wrong about the Holocaust," Schaefer says she was born and raised in Canada after her parents emigrated from Germany in the 1950s.

The Munich public prosecutor's office says Schaefer was in Germany visiting family members when she was arrested in January. She was charged with six counts of "incitement of the people" for publishing videos denying the Holocaust.

Schaefer has been in custody since her arrest and her trial is set to continue until August 17, the office says, adding the maximum penalty for each count is three years' imprisonment.

The civil liberties group says in the letter that the 2016 video was made in Canada and published from Canada.

It says Germany's law against Holocaust denial is contrary to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights law ratified by Canada in 1976. The United Nations Human Rights Committee has interpreted the covenant to be incompatible with laws that penalize the expression of opinions about historical facts, it says.

"The covenant does not permit general prohibition of expressions of an erroneous opinion or an incorrect interpretation of past events," the human-rights committee has said, according to the letter.

The Department of Justice referred questions to Global Affairs Canada, which did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The Holocaust, in which the German Nazi regime murdered approximately six million Jewish people, is one of the most studied and documented atrocities of the modern era.

Germany developed strong laws against denial of the Holocaust in order to prevent another Nazi faction from rising in the country, and it's currently worried about growing far-right extremism, says Helmut-Harry Loewen, a retired University of Winnipeg sociologist who studies hate groups.

He describes Schaefer as a key figure in the Holocaust denial movement.


http://www.squamishchief.com/canada-sho ... 1.23370357

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Re: Monika Schaefer arrested in Germany

Postby Hannover » 4 months 20 hours ago (Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:21 am)

stated:
The Holocaust, in which the German Nazi regime murdered approximately six million Jewish people, is one of the most studied and documented atrocities of the modern era.

If that was the case there would be no need for laws which prevent free speech about it.

The truth:
The scientifically impossible 'holocaust' storyline, in which the Germans allegedly murdered approximately six million Jewish people, is one of the most lied about, yet most profitable and undocumented alleged atrocities ever.'

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny. Only liars arrest people for free speech & Thought Crimes.
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Re: Monika Schaefer arrested in Germany

Postby phdnm » 2 months 1 day ago (Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:31 pm)



14h day against Alfred and Monika Schaefer

Der Volkslehrer

I'm reporting from Munich, where Monika and Alfred Schaefer are facing a trial. They are being accused of having denied the Holocaust.
Im very thankfull, that youtuber Hendra Kremzow did a short summary in English for you.

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Der Volkslehrer YouTube report

Postby Sannhet » 2 months 1 day ago (Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:26 pm)

phdnm wrote:Der Volkslehrer

This video by Youtuber Der Volkslehrer has 4,000 views already just hours after it was uploaded; 470 'Likes'; 180 comments, the most-liked are all German-language comments suggesting a mainly German-speaking viewership; there are hundreds of collective 'likes' to the comments.

His videos have a collective 6 million views in less than a year (channel opened late September 2017), and some of the top videos are revisionist: "Solidarität mit Ursula Haverbeck - Demo Bielefeld 10.5.2018" is the 9th is most viewed at 37,000 views. Well done.

Does the Merkel government really not block his Youtube channel -- ?

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Re: Monika Schaefer arrested in Germany

Postby Dresden » 3 weeks 5 hours ago (Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:57 pm)

Monika Schaefer is free! :D


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton ... -1.4880175

Monika Schaefer released on time served.

An Alberta woman arrested in Germany on "incitement to hatred" charges has been convicted and sentenced to time served.

Monika Schaefer's trial concluded in a Munich courthouse on Friday, according to German freelance photojournalist Anne Wild.

Schaefer, who comes from Jasper, Alta., was sentenced to 10 months but was later released because she has been in prison since charges were laid in January.
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Re: Monika Schaefer arrested in Germany

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 3 weeks 4 hours ago (Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:18 pm)

Dresden wrote:Monika Schaefer is free! :D


Great news!

Perhaps the subject of her freedom will be given a new post?

The parallel would certainly be interesting.
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Re: Monika Schaefer arrested in Germany

Postby Dresden » 3 weeks 4 hours ago (Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:48 pm)

JLAD Prove Me Wrong wrote:
Dresden wrote:Monika Schaefer is free! :D


Great news!

Perhaps the subject of her freedom will be given a new post?

The parallel would certainly be interesting.


Good idea!

Here you go:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12083
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