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Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Elroy » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:14 am)

With the release of the "Probing the Holocaust" documentary- I have been loosely investigating the matter as it had previously been "obvious" to me before that they are busted.

Except for the "letter of Dr. Rascher" to Himmler which seems to confirm an overall gas chamber program as well as insinuate Rascher doctored the shower room for use in experimental gassings.

Leuchter thought it was engineering-wise an American post-liberation fake, and the "letter" is dismissable as fake.

There's that little problem though- those 4 congressmen visiting Dachau on May 2nd, leaving supposedly "no time" to create the stage set.

Could it have been done in time to "fool" the elected officials? What did they in fact "see"? Is it what we today see?

Was the wall lowered at this time? In the photo it seems low and the dummy shower heads are in place. What was their "report" if any?

Intuitively the whole thing is an American fraud- but is there anything to the allies claims "at all"?

Image of congressmen.. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=cong ... sFtedMl3MM:



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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby borjastick » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:52 am)

Not sure what you mean by using the last word 'period' in your headline.

The delousing block was there and in use as such, there was a shower room afaik and that was altered by the US army to pretend it was a gas chamber. Isn't that the case? As for the visit by the congressmen, what is said about their visit and what photographic evidence shows anything substantial?

I was there about 12 years ago and walked through the block and the so called 'gas chamber'. All a bit surreal and odd if I remember right.
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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Hektor » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:52 am)

Elroy wrote:Except for the "letter of Dr. Rascher" to Himmler which seems to confirm an overall gas chamber program as well as insinuate Rascher doctored the shower room for use in experimental gassings.




Can you display a facsimile of that document? I'd like to see a document, before I dismiss, presume or accept it.

Since they are several rooms involved, we need to see what goes for what:
Delousing room?
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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Revisionist » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:57 am)

Discussion is here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=996
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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Hannover » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:42 am)

And then:
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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Hektor » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:45 am)

Revisionist wrote:Discussion is here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=996

This looks as false as a 3-Dollar Bill.
"Wissen" is written with double s (ss not sharp s).
The rest of the text is odd as well. The style is in a way no subordinate would address a person so much higher up in rank.

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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby flimflam » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:05 pm)

Questions

1 - the blueprint ('Probing screenshot 29:50) and the photo (30:44) show 2 doors into the gas chamber, the Brausebad door and a door on the opposite wall. Where does the door on the opposite wall lead? Which wall is insulated?

2 - are there other rooms in any of the camps with 6'6'' ceilings (as per the blueprint)? Are low ceilings common for morgue rooms? Do morgue rooms typically have multiple drains (6 in the this case)?

3 - are there other rooms in any of the camps with such elaborate pipes and controls for heating and ventilation?


The vid contained a lot of revelatory info for me, but I still cannot come up with a remotely plausible series of events leading to the facts that we seem to now know.

I think these facts include that the low ceiling, the heating pipes and controls, and the chutes (per the report at 24:13) where there when the camp was liberated.

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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Elroy » 9 months 1 week ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:49 pm)

flimflam wrote:Questions



I think these facts include that the low ceiling, the heating pipes and controls, and the chutes (per the report at 24:13) where there when the camp was liberated.


This is what I'm grappling with....

I ACCEPT that the letter- is a fraud.

I ACCEPT that the room has been shoddily modified.

The problem- is that the American's called in congressional investigators and press to the scene very early- 4 days- not enough time for a serious overhaul.

The film actually admits that.

My whole being strongly swings to the fact it's an American stage show- and given sufficient time I think there would be no doubt.
But we must stick to facts.

RE: Which room we are talking about is the Brausebad- the alleged homocidal gas chamber- not the disinfection chamber.

The fact the American's used a cheap shill combining the 2 rooms in their propaganda film and that the zyklon B introduction method changed several times during the trials and after are all major evidence pointing to the American's dodging it- agreed.

But I see no "clinching" case that it was the American's "period" by which I mean that they are definitively busted.

It essentially comes down to the very short period between liberation and the arrival of investigators.

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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Hektor » 9 months 1 week ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:53 pm)

flimflam wrote:Questions

1 - the blueprint ('Probing screenshot 29:50) and the photo (30:44) show 2 doors into the gas chamber, the Brausebad door and a door on the opposite wall. Where does the door on the opposite wall lead? Which wall is insulated?
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The vid contained a lot of revelatory info for me, but I still cannot come up with a remotely plausible series of events leading to the facts that we seem to now know.
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I presume you are talking about the following video:
https://archive.org/details/PrfungDesHo ... eHolocaust

The propaganda reel is this one here:

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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Elroy » 9 months 1 week ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:19 pm)

Hannover wrote:And then:
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There's no dispute here.. The question I am raising is the one..

Did the German's modify the room (for whatever purpose) or did the American's (for whatever purpose)..

It's a fair question in light of the fact of the short alleged time frame prior to the American investigation arriving.

For example- the dummy shower heads are present in the photograph showing American senators and congressmen...

For what purpose would the German's install dummy shower heads?

Conceivably there would be enough time for the American's to have installed these to frame the German's- but is it really enough time to install the chutes etc?

Again- psyche war could have conceivably worked very fast- but it's pretty constraining.

And if the rest of the room- sans the dummy heads was done by the German's- then what other purpose could such mods have performed other than sinister ones?

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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Hektor » 9 months 1 week ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:45 pm)

Elroy wrote:Did the German's modify the room (for whatever purpose) or did the American's (for whatever purpose)..

It's a fair question in light of the fact of the short alleged time frame prior to the American investigation arriving.

For example- the dummy shower heads are present in the photograph showing American senators and congressmen...

What time frame are you looking at? You need to set up a line with important events, setting up when Sykewar guys could have done the changes to were pictures were taken and movies been made.

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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Elroy » 9 months 1 week ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:49 pm)

Hektor wrote:
Elroy wrote:Did the German's modify the room (for whatever purpose) or did the American's (for whatever purpose)..

It's a fair question in light of the fact of the short alleged time frame prior to the American investigation arriving.

For example- the dummy shower heads are present in the photograph showing American senators and congressmen...

What time frame are you looking at? You need to set up a line with important events, setting up when Sykewar guys could have done the changes to were pictures were taken and movies been made.


Am at work but to make a quick response would be simply this-

Camp was liberated on the 29th of April and elected American officials were brought in on May 2nd.

That gives psyche war 3 days to lower the ceiling (if applicable), install dummy shower heads (most seriously) and install the chutes (if applicable).

Doesn't seem like enough time.

Unless- in the photo with the officials we see the dummy shower heads and the vents that were erroneously claimed to be introduction vents- therefore only the dummy shower heads need have been installed in the 3 days.

Does the ceiling look 10ft (as on schematic and documented by the officials then?) or the 7.6ft it is today? Conceivably the dummy heads could have been added for the officials and then added again when the roof was lowered at a later date- but was the roof indeed lowered? It would seem that 3 days is not enough time for such a task doesn't it- so in the image the officials took does it look 10ft as they claimed and was planned or does it look the 7.6ft it is today?

Is anything mentioned about the chutes at this time? Seems it kind of was- 3 days is not long to knock out holes in walls, install chutes and mortar them back up. The mortar would be wet.

Despite pointing out these problems for the revisionists- I must stress it's clear none of these systems could have worked and are technically absurd- but then why would the Germans make them- but how also could the Americans have done it either?

It's very mysterious.

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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Hannover » 9 months 1 week ago (Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:16 pm)

Elroy said:
Camp was liberated on the 29th of April and elected American officials were brought in on May 2nd.
That gives psyche war 3 days to lower the ceiling (if applicable), install dummy shower heads (most seriously) and install the chutes (if applicable).
Doesn't seem like enough time.

Seems like plenty of time to me. Nothing complicated about it.
There would have been ample detailed recon aerial photos of the place, a game plan developed ahead of time such that they were all set to go when they actually entered. The Psychological Warfare Division was no doubt well organized, well staffed, and planned their actions well.

This should be of interest, clearly it's Psychological Warfare Division fakery.
I believe Hektor posted this some time ago.

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Crossman SUPREME HEADQUARTERS ALLIED EXPEDITIONARY FORCE Psychological Warfare Division CONFIDENTIAL 12 May 1945. Personal File DACHAU CONCENTRATION CAMP (Report on a two-day visit, 1-2 May)

1. INTRODUCTION
The purpose of the visit to Dachau was to obtain documentary and photographic material directly after liberation for a motion picture on German atrocities to be shown in Germany. The material presented here, gathered in the disordered conditions of the second and third days of liberation, should therefore be read only as a preliminary report.

2. DACHAU'S SIZE AND PLANT The Dachau penal and correctional institution consists of a main camp (STAMMLAGER) surrounded by several subsidiary or work camps (UNTERLAGER), all situated on land owned or leased by the SS. The central Dachau compound, about ten acres in size, encloses some twenty-five semi-permanent prisoner barracks buildings, a permanent block of prison cells, an isolated barracks (known as the EHRENBUNKER) for special political prisoners receiving preferential treatment, kitchens, warehouses, guard rooms, special rooms used for corporal punishments, tortures, and medical experiments on prisoners, and a three-acre yard. In a special stockade outside the compound proper are the crematory, gas chamber, and war-dog kennels. A complex of SS and Waffen-SS administration buildings and warehouses abutts on the camp.

3. NUMBER AND TYPES OF INMATES At the time of liberation, about 65,000 prisoners were being carried on the Dachau roll, of whom 32,000 were housed in the main compound. Although the largest single national representation was Polish, men from every European state were present, including 5,660 Germans. Highly conflicting statements on the ratio of criminal to political prisoners were obtained; a United States officer assigned to the Camp Review Board explained that numerous non-German convicted criminals, on having refused the invitation to join the Wehrmacht had been transferred to the status of political prisoners. At the other end of the scale, among the inmates interviewed on 1 and 2 May were several Canadian paratroop officers, a Czech newspaper and motion-picture editor (Paul HUSAREK), the former Berlin correspondent of the Havas Agency (M. RAVOUX), a German Communist organizer who had spent twelve years at Dachau (George BIEBER), an Austrian aristocrat (Count LODRON), an Albanian Cabinet member (Ali KUCI), the former Polish Consul General in Munich (GRABINSKY) and a British Naval Officer (Lieut. Comdr. Patrick OREARY). The French General DELESTRAINT, also an inmate, had reportedly been executed two days before Dachau's liberation. A group of especially well-known prisoners, including Martin NIEMOELLER, formerly quartered in a special barracks, had been removed late in April to the camp at Innsbruck. About 450 women were at Dachau, also quartered apart. Among these was stated to be the widow of Field Marshal von WITZLEBEN.

4. LIVING CONDITIONS It was stated that the Dachau main compound, now holding 32,000 prisoners, had been designed to house a maximum of 10,000. Overcrowding had been aggravated during April by the arrival of some 15,000 evacuees from the Buchenwald, Auschwitz, and Kaufering camps. The bread ration CONFIDENTIAL
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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Elroy » 9 months 1 week ago (Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:13 am)

Hannover wrote:Elroy said:
Camp was liberated on the 29th of April and elected American officials were brought in on May 2nd.
That gives psyche war 3 days to lower the ceiling (if applicable), install dummy shower heads (most seriously) and install the chutes (if applicable).
Doesn't seem like enough time.

Seems like plenty of time to me. Nothing complicated about it.
There would have been ample detailed recon aerial photos of the place, a game plan developed ahead of time such that they were all set to go when they actually entered. The Psychological Warfare Division was no doubt well organized, well staffed, and planned their actions well.



I can envision the Germans easily knocking up dummy shower heads in any scenario.

I cannot envision major modifications to the ventilation system and especially knocking holes in walls installing chutes and mortaring up- in 3 days. Unless something else gives.

The saving factor could be- that the chutes did not exist as such when the investigators arrived and were added later only when the lie changed. Of course we see the outside of the building obscured by that wooden shed- very conveniently- in the photo outside.

I wonder if those chutes existed at the time the officials arrived. If they did not- the case is clinched.

This might seem like a minor thing but in fact if such demonstratable case against the Americans can be made indisputable of total fraud- then maintaining the holocaust myth in total would be easy to collapse in anyone's mind.

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Re: Did the American's manufacture the Dachau gas chamber period?

Postby Elroy » 9 months 1 day ago (Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:48 pm)

3rd May- the American Congressmen at Dachau with an image below of how the room looks today.
https://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauSc ... amber.html

It does not look any lower then as it does now- does it?

If the American's lowered the roof- that would be another thing they would have had to've done in quick time- also paint and plaster would be wet and smell fresh. One would think there was no lowering after the ceiling post liberation.

It's all very puzzling.


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