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Astonishing find RE: phosgene gassings in revisionism

Postby Elroy » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:39 am)

How many people were killed in the alleged Holocaust? Zero or Eighty Six?

I'm "infamous" for the position that "it is conceded that nobody was gassed in Germany proper" which is true in some regards but there's always a body that continues to promote it whether from the individual museums themselves or regarding the "euthaniasia origin" hypothesis.

This part doesn't concern me.

What does is what I also considered the truth- that nobody was ever gassed in Nazi Germany- period!

I was astonished to find that in "Inside the Gas Chambers"- Carlo Mattogno seems to "conclude" that 86 people were in fact "gassed" by Phosgene gas! p221

Jurgen Graf asserts his own astonishment in translation and states that "the documents can't go any other way.

This conclusion Mattogno arrives at after entirely refuting the orthodox hypothesis that these exact same handful of inmates- mostly Jew's infected with Typhus- were killed but with hydrogen cyanide instead- featuring an utterly absurd historiographic fraud.

I understand the motivation asserted that this alleged small isolated mass murder of 86 people as Mattogno has it refutes the entire Holocaust reasonably at Auschwitz etc.

But the very notion of the 86 infected victims being brought from Auschwitz to Natzweiler just to be put away with phosgene is absurd also.
The notion that Joseph Hirt wanted these victims dispatched so he could "gain their human skeletons for the anatomical institute" is absurd.
That no such skelteons have ever been found.

And unless I am missing something in Mattogno's analysis- the only proof Mattogno was able to offer at all for their murder is the drop of 90 Jew's in the camp strength records retained for exactly this period, the rest of which is peculiarly missing if I read that correctly.

^Does anybody have any thoughts on this matter???

I think the very notion that anybody was "gassed" in Nazi Germany to be completely unfounded and absurd personally but would be open to it if one could show me how exactly Mattogno reached this conclusion in more lay language I can digest if what I wrote above is not quite accurate.



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Re: Astonishing find RE: gassings in revisionism

Postby Hannover » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:37 am)

I've heard this one before.
Can you tell us what he bases that upon?
What proof does he offer?
What documents, what physical evidence?

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- endorsed by 34 "reputable historians" and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979
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Re: Astonishing find RE: phosgene gassings in revisionism

Postby Hektor » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:09 pm)

I presume this is about the following:

86 Jews selected in the camp of Auschwitz were deported in the summer of 1943 to the Natzweiler-Struthof camp where a gas chamber was specially equipped to kill them. August Hirt, director of the Anatomical Institute of Strasbourg, wanted a collection of Jewish skeletons, to keep track of this "race” who “personify a repulsive, yet characteristic subhumanity"*.

How did this cynical project came to life?

What happened to the 86 Jews gazed for this anatomical collection?

At the crime scene, experts, witnesses and actors of memory tell the story of one of the most tragic episodes of World War II, emblematic of the Holocaust and the abuse of science by the Nazis, while questioning the difficult memory of the crimes and its ethical implications. But this story is above all about the struggle of a German journalist trying to give back an identity to these men and women who had been reduced to a list of registration numbers. The tireless search to find the name of the 86.
http://www.lenomdes86.fr/indexenglish.html

What evidence except "memory" is offered?!

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Re: Astonishing find RE: phosgene gassings in revisionism

Postby Hannover » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:18 pm)

Thanks, Hektor. You're on it as usual.

The link image is merely a list of numbers, typed by who knows who for whatever purpose?
Try that in a real court of law. :lol:

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86 Jews selected in the camp of Auschwitz were deported in the summer of 1943 to the Natzweiler-Struthof camp where a gas chamber was specially equipped to kill them. August Hirt, director of the Anatomical Institute of Strasbourg, wanted a collection of Jewish skeletons, to keep track of this "race” who “personify a repulsive, yet characteristic subhumanity"*.

How did this cynical project came to life?

What happened to the 86 Jews gazed for this anatomical collection?

At the crime scene, experts, witnesses and actors of memory tell the story of one of the most tragic episodes of World War II, emblematic of the Holocaust and the abuse of science by the Nazis, while questioning the difficult memory of the crimes and its ethical implications. But this story is above all about the struggle of a German journalist trying to give back an identity to these men and women who had been reduced to a list of registration numbers. The tireless search to find the name of the 86.
http://www.lenomdes86.fr/indexenglish.html

Why sent them away from the alleged 'extermination center Auschwitz' just to kill them and the save their bones. It would have been more efficient, less costly to just kill them at Auschwitz & collect their bones there... If the laughable tall tale was factual.

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Re: Astonishing find RE: phosgene gassings in revisionism

Postby Elroy » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:19 pm)

Re- reading the section on Natzweiler from p.205-223 will not take long to see for yourself...

http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/25-itgc.pdf

Page 221 is where he "concludes" they were indeed murdered.

I already offered what evidence I thought I read he based that on- the drop in camp strength document of 90 persons in line with the scenario documentation of that many being killed at that time.

I'm asking if one of you would review to see if I have mis-interpreted.

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Re: Astonishing find RE: phosgene gassings in revisionism

Postby Hannover » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:47 pm)

Elroy wrote:Re- reading the section on Natzweiler from p.205-223 will not take long to see for yourself...

http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/25-itgc.pdf

Page 221 is where he "concludes" they were indeed murdered.

I already offered what evidence I thought I read he based that on- the drop in camp strength document of 90 persons in line with the scenario documentation of that many being killed at that time.

I'm asking if one of you would review to see if I have mis-interpreted.

Thanks, Elroy.
On p. 220 it appears to say that the information came from someone named "Scmaltz", and following that Mattogno asks some serious questions which question the story.
The info. presented is contradictory, yet it appears Mattogno may have blown this one, rare for him, but we're all human.
However, he does state that is was basically a one-off experiment with phosgene.
And why would there would be experiments with phosgene? It was not new. I believe phosgene was tested and used during WWI.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Also see:
'Revisionist Editor fined in France '
https://codoh.com/library/document/253/?lang=en
excerpt:
Supporters of the orthodox Holocaust story believe that SS Professor August Hirt gassed prisoners with mysterious salts which, when mixed with water, would kill in one minute. The building in which the "gas chamber" was housed had been a restaurant before the outbreak of World War II. The room which is described as a "gas chamber" today had served as a refrigeration room for perishable food.
Say what?

more:
https://codoh.com/library/document/1935/?lang=en
much more:
https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relev ... as+chamber

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