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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 7 months 3 weeks ago (Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:13 pm)

It's admirable what you're trying to do Pater Lingen. I can tell you're ready to go to court and ready to go to prison. Your ancestors have been Christian for almost 2,000 years. When much of Europe fell away from Christianity in the 1900's, the holocaust myth stepped in and filled the void. So like Christianity, it involves the Jews, still involves guilt, but hijacked for this whole different thing, with the devil/Satan replaced by "racism" which relates back to the holocaust myth and the supposed motives behind it. White Guilt replacing guilt from sin. German holocaust guilt replacing guilt from sin.

I hope you can do something to help break the myth.

I believe in the early 80's when Pope John Paul II visited Auschwitz, he laid a wreath at the Auschwitz Plaque. At that time the Auschwitz plaque was the 4 million plaque. It hadn't been changed (via Zundel's and others pressure on the myth) yet.

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby EtienneSC » 7 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:06 pm)

I have circulated a link to this to some in my church. I'm not too hopeful of the reaction, but it all helps word to get around.

Thank you,

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby Hannover » 7 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:44 pm)

Being a Revisionist is not a matter of choice.

Awareness of the absolute, verifiable, scientific, researched, & documented facts that the '6M Jews & 5M others & gas chambers' are simply impossible and unfounded is what makes one a Revisionist.

There is no choice.

- Hannover

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the 'holocaust' storyline is the message.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby borjastick » 7 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:35 am)

Hannover is of course correct in that being a Revisionist is not a choice. We all come at this realisation and that the holocaust couldn't possibly be true in different ways, but the bell tolls loud and clear for us all.

For me as a boy who grew up in UK, near London, in the sixties I was educated in history lessons and RE to love the jews, feel great pity for them as they had always endured great suffering and persecution. As a boy I had no reference to steer me away from this belief, however as a teenager when I was taught about the holocaust I felt something was very wrong with the story.

It wasn't until I was in my mid forties that the penny dropped. It was a real moment in life, one so strong and profound that I immediately realised there was no going back, although I thought for some time that maybe I had got hold of the wrong end of the stick and that the truth about the holocaust actually happening had been missed by me. That of course wasn't the case.

As a Revisionist the more you read and investigate, dig and question the more the truth rings home. The holocaust is pure fabrication which was engineered out of a block of solid bullsh-t under circumstances that were unique. Never before or since in the history of the jews would an opportunity have arisen to create the holocaust and gain world sympathy to enable the state of israel.

The key thing they didn't realise because the world had not woken up to science and invention at that point was how the world would change in the three or four decades after the war. Imagine in 1945-1950 someone telling you that the world would go to the moon, invent a mobile telephone and computers that would allow instant flow of information in a thing called the internet.

Science, technology and information flow are the death of the holocaust and that's why Revisionism is so beautiful. We can right the wrongs of the holocaust and prove to the world that the jews are conning everyone about it and their plight.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby PRHL » 7 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:24 am)

As a German in Germany, I publish nearly exclusively in German.
Besides various texts, I already published two German videos on "holocaust denial" (one of them, "Holocaust - Holocaustleugnung - Revisionismus - Kirche", is in my current signature and is now nearly five years old).

So for several years, I always point out that "holocaust" is not mentioned, let alone defined in the penal law. Thus it is inevitably a crime to condemn someone for "holocaust denial": It is always a radical violation of the principle "no crime without law".

E.g.: I have read a notice about someone who was sentenced to jail for "denying" the human gas chambers in Dachau. However, Catholic Bishop Johannes Neuhäusler who was imprisoned in Dachau from 1941-1945 stated that there were no gassings in Dachau. Also the famous book "Christus in Dachau" by Pater Johannes Maria Lenz does not mention any gassings in Dachau. Lenz, however, once claims (without mentioning any source / proof) that prisoners in Auschwitz were killed by gas.
But back to Dachau:
- No word of "holocaust", neither the word itself nor concerning gassings nor concerning Dachau, in the penal law.
- Extremely popular and - well, as Catholic clerics - trustworthy witnesses of Dachau do not mention any gassings in Dachau.
- Instead: Even a Roman-Catholic bishop who was a Dachau prisoner for more than four years openly rejects any claims of gassings.

And the result is?
You are condemned to jail if you deny gassings in Dachau!
Well, that might be different at the moment as the "no gassings in Dachau" seems be the official version for now. But you - *literally* - can *never* know what opinion will be punished or not.

Admittedly, I always want to know "what really happened", even if it concerns the role of the Church during Nationalsocialism.
However, if you discuss whether freedom of speech / freedom of research about the holocaust should be granted or punished, you must first consider that the penal law in fact does not meet the absolutely necessary standards to punish "holocaust denial".

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 7 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:16 pm)

Catholicism and the holocaust myth is an interesting topic from many angles. But because Nazism with it's components of racialism and nationalism doesn't meld well with Christian doctrine, I think both Protestant and Catholic hierarchy were more willing to go along with the good vs. evil dichotomy of World War II, with the holocaust being integral to that. When Eisenhower aided the Psych Warfare operation at Buchenwald and Ohrdruff, by encouraging prominent people, prominent religious people to come visit (Archbishop of Canterbury, for one, if memory serves) it was to lie to them via the Psych Warfare operation, and then they would go back and help spread the word about the holocaust, but the religious leaders might have had an impetus to believe in the Psych Warfare operation, since Nazism had stood to take people away from the Church, and since they could then be part of the winners in this good vs. evil war. But be that as it may, or may not, it came to be seen, after many years, that Christian Europe was complicitous in the holocaust. I always found it interesting in Arthur Butz's "Hoax of the 20th Century" that when he first started researching the myth, there was a Catholic man doing holocaust (myth) research whom he met, but with the purpose of defending the church from being complicit in it, if I remember this right.

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby PRHL » 7 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:15 am)

IMO both Catholicism and revisionism share a very similar fate in Germany.
As I am both a Catholic and a revisionist, my situation is kind of absolutely catastrophic.
E.g. the court of my hometown Dorsten tried to put me in forensic psychiatry for the rest of my life because of confessing the Catholic faith. The public prosecutor accused me e.g. of fraud: The court hired an "expert" who testified in an "expert report" that my diploma is fake. Thus everytime I show my diploma or just mention it, I am guitly of fraud.
Here is my diploma:
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Note: The University where I made my diploma stated in a private mail sent to me alone that never anybody asked whether my diploma is real. But at least the University stated in this same private mail that my studies are recorded and a copy of my diploma is in the University's archive.

The Dorsten court condemned me that I have to completely accept all claims in this expert report, e.g. that there is no record of my baptism. Therefore I am also guilty of fraud when I prove that the very same Dorsten court itself testified my baptism in another document; see:
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This false export report is the topic of the video that I mention in this "revisionist" video.
In short: Every time I show documents that prove my claims, I can be put into prison or forensic psychiatry without further investigation or trial. I am just "disobedient" and "unreasonable".

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 7 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:51 pm)

Hi Rolf,

It's really admirable that you're out there with your real name. I myself have not been able to do that yet, but plan to do so.

We both would like to break the myth. A giant lie placed upon the German people. What happens to you, what happens to me, what the court does, the wrong logic of the court, can obscure the bigger picture that we know the holocaust is a myth, and we'd like others to know this also.

So for you the audience to convince is Catholics. I would suggest putting together 200 letters to various Catholic Priests and Brothers in various orders, Dominicans, Franciscans, et al. You could find a small flash disk, and buy 200 of them with bulk discount, and enclose it in the letter. It might not even make the postage price go up. Best to tape it to the paper letter. So the paper letter is a 1 or 2 page message from you about the holocaust, and the flash disk contains books from the "Holocaust Handbooks" in PDF format, some in German. You could also include my video "Auschwitz Why The Gas chambers Are a Myth" and/or my video "Buchenwald. A Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil." 30 of the letters go to men in a priory, 30 more to another priory, 50 letters to the top 5 people at 10 parishes, etc. Address all the envelopes with a pen, and not a computer print because it looks personal and your name and title will have some status. THEY WILL READ IT. The letter of course could be a computer print-out, or a xerox of a handwritten letter. I think the best thing would be a personalized handwritten cover letter of a half page, attached to two computer printout pages.

I don't know if the HD laws are only against saying something in public, whereas this is a personal letter to individuals, so you'll have to check the legality and decide what you want to do.

I've done versions of this myself, with probably 200 letters or more. It took a week or so full-time to do it. I enclosed a DVD in a number of them.

By enclosing a flash disk, instead of internet links, then they don't leave an internet footprint by accessing the stuff. They could take their computer off the internet, and look at all the stuff. You may want to mention that dragging the video from the flash disk to their hard drive may make it play smoother.

When I recall when I did it, I get a sense of fulfillment. I don't know if it did any good, because I didn't hear back from anyone, but I still feel good about it.

I didn't dump all the letters in one location to be sent, but rather dumped some here, some there, to ensure that if some were somehow stopped, others would make it. Dropping 200 letters at 5 different post offices in 2 or 3 cities/towns would probably work.

Don't focus too much on your persecution, if at all. Rather focus on using logic and persuasiveness to show them the holocaust is a myth.

If you sent to Hungary, could you write the cover letter in Latin? I don't know what the laws are there, or who reads Latin.

But you have to keep it somewhat simple and uniform, because 200 is a lot. That's a big bag of letters, and if you don't have it uniform, it will be too big of a job.

Taping the flash disk to the letter, maybe the very middle of the letter, keeps it from moving around and breaking through a corner of the envelope.

You could have graphics in your letter, and I think you should have the side by side Auschwitz plaques, with the caption, "a reduction of 2.5 million." or something like that.

If you believe in the Holy Spirit, then you have to have the Holy Spirit somewhat guide you in doing this, and in determining what you write.

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby Hektor » 7 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:42 am)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:Catholicism and the holocaust myth is an interesting topic from many angles. But because Nazism with it's components of racialism and nationalism doesn't meld well with Christian doctrine, I think both Protestant and Catholic hierarchy were more willing to go along with the good vs. evil dichotomy of World War II, with the holocaust being integral to that.


Neither Catholicism, nor Protestantism are homogeneous (dogmatic) ideological blocks, and, I may add, neither is National Socialism.
As for the Catholics and Protestants, there attitudes towards Nationalism and Racialism may depend more on the secular ideological milieu they stem from. For some of them being a good Christian would also mean to be a good patriot. And I think this would have been the case for both Catholics and Protestants at the time, and I may add not only in Germany.

There is however also a faction (of theologians) adhering to some version of universal/egalitarian humanism. Their views would have conflicted with nationalism (and/or racialism). Those views are however relatively new in theology, mostly of a post-enlightenment character. As for racialism in terms of grouping people together based on taxonomic features, it also stemmed from the enlightenment era. Immanuel Kant was one of the first German proponents of it.
Prior to the enlightenment era the issue of race wasn't such a big thing in Europe. I'd guess due to it's relative homogeneity. Although That doesn't mean that questions of ethnicity were completely absent.
I recall a magazine article on the Christian doctrine of Nations and why Christians do expose different views of it:
https://archive.org/details/ChristianDo ... ScottTrask

The views of National Socialists on Christianity did also differ among themselves. Some embraced it, others rejected it and some again wanted to remold it so it could fit their own views better.

The NS-leadership apparently took the Church(es) more seriously than present day governments of Germany or elsewhere do. One can see that with the retraction of the Euthanasia decree, which allowed certain doctors to euthanize patients that were incurable. The retraction followed after their were protests by clerics against it. Clemens August Graf von Galen is one of the more famous examples of this.

The faction that was most vehemently against Christianity and the churches was the group around Erich und Mathilde Ludendorff, but as far as I could make out, they were never members of the NSDAP themselves.

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote: When Eisenhower aided the Psych Warfare operation at Buchenwald and Ohrdruff, by encouraging prominent people, prominent religious people to come visit (Archbishop of Canterbury, for one, if memory serves) it was to lie to them via the Psych Warfare operation, and then they would go back and help spread the word about the holocaust, but the religious leaders might have had an impetus to believe in the Psych Warfare operation, since Nazism had stood to take people away from the Church, and since they could then be part of the winners in this good vs. evil war. But be that as it may, or may not, it came to be seen, after many years, that Christian Europe was complicitous in the holocaust. I always found it interesting in Arthur Butz's "Hoax of the 20th Century" that when he first started researching the myth, there was a Catholic man doing holocaust (myth) research whom he met, but with the purpose of defending the church from being complicit in it, if I remember this right.

I think it's save to assume that the Psych Warfare department knew very well that the church leaders had influence that exceeded the church those by far, even on people that aren't Christians. As for the church leaders, but also for the members of other parties and trade unions, of course they were jealous of Hitler's perceived success and popularity. So there are ulterior motives in it as well added to a widespread opportunism among people.

What is almost completely ignored in the (false) narrative is how torn apart internally Germany was prior to 1933:
1. The confessional Division between Catholics and Protestants already went on for a while. One of the bloodiest wars in history, the 30 year war, had that also as a subtext.
2. Class division between richer and poorer people was rife. This was a conflict especially Marxists tried to exploit. Unemployment was high and employees were often paid far below contracted rates, which was tolerated, because the alternative was unemployment. But it for sure led to great dissatisfaction.
3. A myriad of political parties, which were also fighting each other. The SA (Sturmabteilung) wasn't the only paramilitary formation, just the most famous. There were also the Rotfrontkaempferbund (of the Communists), as well as the Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold.

Here some links that deal with the religious aspects of the Holocaust as well as the relationship to the Catholic Church:
- http://aaargh.vho.org/fran/livres6/Gabispol.pdf // Text is in Polish and German, I wonder if there is an English translation.
- http://vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/16/4/Weber37.html
- http://vho.org/tr/2002/3/tr11catholics.html

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 7 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:40 pm)

Interesting. Thanks Hektor.

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby PRHL » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:57 pm)

Just a note that the video has now been "restricted" on Youtube. That is very similar to "banned" / "deleted", but it can still be watched in European coutries. You must, however, be logged in, so in the end the result is "deleted".
No reason whtatsoever for this decision was given by anyone.
I used the contact formular that Youtube offered to contradict to this decision.
I argued that my video is in its core a defense of Pope Pius XII. and the Catholic Church in General, and that I do not say anything illegal. In fact, I was *never* persecuted, let alone sentenced because of "denial". And that is something, because I was insanely often persecuted, and even sentenced for totally legal things, esp. my religious faith.

A few days later, Youtube answered that my video will be staying effectively banned. Again, no reason whtatsoever for this decision was given by anyone.

But Youtube assured me that it does not censor.

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:35 pm)

PRHL wrote:Just a note that the video has now been "restricted" on Youtube. That is very similar to "banned" / "deleted", but it can still be watched in European coutries. You must, however, be logged in, so in the end the result is "deleted".
No reason whtatsoever for this decision was given by anyone.
I used the contact formular that Youtube offered to contradict to this decision.
I argued that my video is in its core a defense of Pope Pius XII. and the Catholic Church in General, and that I do not say anything illegal. In fact, I was *never* persecuted, let alone sentenced because of "denial". And that is something, because I was insanely often persecuted, and even sentenced for totally legal things, esp. my religious faith.

A few days later, Youtube answered that my video will be staying effectively banned. Again, no reason whtatsoever for this decision was given by anyone.

But Youtube assured me that it does not censor.

Welcome to Holocau$t land, where the state religion is Holocaustianity.

Have you considered remaking the video? And once it is remade, you can download it so that if it is taken down you can simply reupload it, quite possibly to another channel?

We could also reupload your video to preserve it. They can't stop us all! Usually if there is a revisionist video which is flagged, you can find it on another channel.
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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby Hektor » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:59 pm)

PRHL wrote:Just a note that the video has now been "restricted" on Youtube. That is very similar to "banned" / "deleted", but it can still be watched in European coutries. You must, however, be logged in, so in the end the result is "deleted".
No reason whtatsoever for this decision was given by anyone.
I used the contact formular that Youtube offered to contradict to this decision.

That's the shadow ban to keep you out of search results on youtube.

Consider uploading elsewhere like archive.org, vimeo, etc. It would be great if youtube loses market domination.
PRHL wrote:I argued that my video is in its core a defense of Pope Pius XII. and the Catholic Church in General, and that I do not say anything illegal. In fact, I was *never* persecuted, let alone sentenced because of "denial". And that is something, because I was insanely often persecuted, and even sentenced for totally legal things, esp. my religious faith.

A few days later, Youtube answered that my video will be staying effectively banned. Again, no reason whtatsoever for this decision was given by anyone. But Youtube assured me that it does not censor.

Any idea, why they don't drag you to the courts for "denial"? My guess would be that the argument is, that you don't "disturb the public peace". The reason however may be that you are associated with the clergy and they don't want to draw attention by way of dragging you into court and jail you.

Youtube will essentially argue that it's their platform (true) and that they can edit content as they see fit. Probably they just try to shield themselves from "legal" repercussions in some countries.

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Re: Why I am a Revisionist

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:53 pm)

Put it on a flash disk, and send to 200 German professors. Enclose a cover letter as a piece of paper, and tape disk to the paper so it doesn't move around in the envelope. Put other things in the flash disk too like some "holocaust handbooks" series. And maybe some of my videos. Select "modern Europe" and "20th Century Europe" professors. Check for legality of doing this as I don't know the law. I don't want to encourage you to break the law, so if this project is against the law, then I would advise not doing it.


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