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Re: Ursula Haverbeck didn't show up at Prison

Postby phdnm » 4 months 1 week ago (Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:47 am)

Top German court throws out elderly neo-Nazi's appeal


08.03.18

BERLIN - Germany's highest court has thrown out a notorious elderly neo-Nazi's case against her conviction for Holocaust denial, ruling that her activities are not covered by a constitutional guarantee of freedom of expression.

In May, 89-year-old Ursula Haverbeck was taken to prison to begin serving a two-year sentence for incitement handed down last year by a court in Verden.

Haverbeck has repeatedly said the Auschwitz death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland was just a work camp. She has been convicted several times but long avoided prison due to lengthy appeals.

The Federal Constitutional Court said in a ruling released Friday that knowingly spreading proven falsehoods "cannot contribute to forming opinions and as such is not covered by the freedom of opinion." It found that denying the Nazi genocide constitutes "disturbing the public peace."


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Re: Ursula Haverbeck didn't show up at Prison

Postby Hektor » 4 months 1 week ago (Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:00 pm)





Haverbeck has repeatedly said the Auschwitz death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland was just a work camp. She has been convicted several times but long avoided prison due to lengthy appeals.

Is that in dispute? Please show us otherwise.


The Federal Constitutional Court said in a ruling released Friday that knowingly spreading proven falsehoods "cannot contribute to forming opinions and as such is not covered by the freedom of opinion." It found that denying the Nazi genocide constitutes "disturbing the public peace."
Mrs Haverbeck is just repeating what the documents say. Can you dispute that with contrary documentary evidence?

Here it's called Kriegsgefangenenlager: [translates to 'POW camp' - Moderator]
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Here it becomes clear that Auschwitz Birkenau was used as a quarantine camp:
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Well, that makes sense, when one considers that there was an enormous problem with typhus at the time. Not only in Auschwitz. The typhus problem is superseded in the common narrative.

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Re: Ursula Haverbeck didn't show up at Prison

Postby phdnm » 4 months 1 week ago (Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:32 am)

The railroading of Ursula Haverbeck


2018-08-03

IN today's reporting ON URSULA HAVERBECK'S APPEAL of her two-year prison sentence, Deutsche Welle (Germany's public international broadcaster) finally got it's facts straight about what Haverbeck said about the 'Holocaust' that was against the law in Germany.

Haverbeck is in prison now in Bielefeld serving her sentence. She was denied her appeal in May against the guilty verdict of “incitement” (disturbing the public peace) because she had claimed publicly “that Auschwitz was 'not historically proven' to be a death camp, claiming it was a labor camp instead.”

Previously, DW has falsely reportedthat Haverbeck's claim was that Auschwitz was not a concentration camp. What Haverbeck actually said was that Auschwitz was not a 'death camp.' DW confuses the two, and has repeated this in several articles they have published. I personally wrote to them telling them they were guilty of false reporting, sloppy journalism, and an attitude that when it came to 'Holocaust' they could say anything they wanted.

[Just yesterday, DW featured the most outrageous nonsense about Auschwitz in an article by Andrea Grunau (who seems to specialize in this garbage) who interviewed 84-year-old “gypsy” survivor Mano Höllenreiner in his home filled with expensive Bavarian antiques and oriental rugs. The number tattooed on his arm has brought all this to him. You can read it here.]

The Constitutional Court rejected Haverbeck's appeal on the grounds that “Holocaust denial is not covered under the constitutional right to free speech.” Think about that. She cannot be found guilty of saying "Auschwitz has not been proven to be a death camp" because that is totally true. She can only be found guilty of saying something that is not covered by the “constitutional right to free speech.” In Germany, you are not free to question that Auschwitz was a 'death camp' because that is some kind of Holy Writ.

They tout “freedom of expression” for all citizens on every subject, except … except … except for the Jewish 'Holocaust.' The real reason for this is that the Federal Republic of Germany is an unconstitutional governmental construction that was put in place to UPHOLD the anti-German Nuremberg-Holocaust narrative. WWII has never ended for Germany–there is still no peace treaty, therefore Germany remains de jure under the control of the victors. The holocaust story is kept in place to keep Germans feeling too guilty and ashamed to rise up and retake control of their own country. It is pure indoctrination.

This special law (known as paragraph 130) in their psuedo constitution states that questioning/raising doubt about the Nuremberg-Holocaust narrative “disturbs the public peace.” What they mean is 'disturbs the public's acquiescence in our Big Lie.' They cannot let the truth come out because it will blow their whole Left-Liberal-Jewish foundation for control out of the water. Therefore this exception in the law has to remain and DW reports that “Germany's highest court reaffirmed on Friday that Holocaust denial is not covered under the constitutional right to free speech.”

“The plaintiff's remarks fall largely outside the protective scope of freedom of opinion.” Even though they're true.

Then their article goes on to repeat the usual unproved statements: “6 million Jews were systematically murdered by the Nazi regime between 1941 and 1945.” And “An estimated 1.1 million people were murdered at the camp in Nazi-occupied Poland; 90 percent of the victims were Jewish.”

You see the circular movement here. They base the beliefs approved by the (new) state on unproved war propaganda accepted in a military tribunal that was part and parcel of the war; then declare those assertions to be “obvious”—not needing to be proven (again) in court. Then they state those unproven beliefs as facts which cannot be publicly questioned without “disturbing the public peace.” Not very sophisticated; in fact, crude. But they put on red robes and sit on a high bench and solemnly state their legal finding.

Ursula Haverbeck, at 90 years of age, bravely challenges this unfree state of existence because she loves her country and her people, and she honors Truth. Will they allow her to speak when she fulfills her sentence? Probably not.

Downplaying Holocaust not always a crime

In a separate case in the Constitutional Court today, it was ruled that a man was wrongly convicted and fined for 'incitement' regarding Holocaust. The man had posted comments online that “downplayed the role of the German army in the Holocaust,” but in this case “his remarks were not deemed to pose a danger to public peace.” That means he didn't get to the heart of the matter most sacred to the Jews, who are the reason behind all these elaborate legal maneuverings.



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Re: Ursula Haverbeck didn't show up at Prison

Postby ginger » 4 months 6 days ago (Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:26 pm)

Thanks for the news on Ursula. It used to be that 4 million died at Auschwitz - now they say that 1.1 million died at Auschwitz - no one is worried that this new information will disturb the public peace.

I check the news at DW because it is different from the news in the United States - DW reports on the Holocaust and Nazis often in order to keep the fiction alive. For a while I could comment and challenge their Holocaust/Nazi information but soon they stopped allowing all comments.

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Re: Ursula Haverbeck didn't show up at Prison

Postby phdnm » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:33 am)




To begin, please see, on this blog, the account in French of May 9, 2018: En Allemagne, Ursula Haverbeck – âgée de près de 90 ans – vient d’être incarcérée pour révisionnisme (“In Germany, Ursula Haverbeck, at nearly 90 years of age, has just been imprisoned for revisionism”).


The revisionist Ursula Haverbeck, “the great German lady”, as her admirers call her, has been in prison in Bielefeld (North Rhine-Westphalia) since May 7. A great-grandmother, she will turn 90 on November 11. She is set to stand trial in another revisionist case in Hamburg on September 12. The distance between her place of detention and that city is more than 155 miles.


Lady Renouf, advised by barrister Wolfram Nahrath, informs us that the German authorities have decided to subject the prisoner to a veritable marathon voyage just before her approaching trial, to be held in a courtroom where, despite her inborn energy, she will risk arriving in rather poor physical condition. Leaving her prison in Bielefeld five or six days before the trial date, she will be stopping at five different prisons to spend the night! On each leg of the trip she will be in a crowded prison van, undergoing the regulation body search at each arrival point. Finally, in each of the five prisons, she will have to deal with new delinquents or criminals (see the 3m 12s video Ursula Haverbeck - Update).


Those who may wonder how the German authorities can even think of adopting such a harsh line of conduct will do well to remember that Germany, 73 years after her unconditional surrender of May 8, 1945, remains largely, with the presence still of numerous US military bases on her territory, an “occupied country”. She bows low, she believes or pretends to believe in what she is bidden to believe. And then, in any case, “the delirium of lying and believing is catching like the itch” (Céline).


The organisations claiming to represent the Jews prove to be ever more worried, and brutal. Since 1985 they have been in something of a panic. In January 1985 they observed Raul Hilberg’s devastating collapse as expert witness for the prosecution at the “first great Zündel trial in Toronto” (a collapse confirmed by his refusal, in writing, to appear again three years later at the “second great Zündel trial in Toronto”). Since then, the “Holocaust” religionists have experienced a major, enduring crisis that they vainly seek to ward off with increasingly senseless and fierce repression.


There is no doubt, however, that the revisionism of Ursula Haverbeck and Michèle Renouf will ultimately prevail. For historians there will remain the task of compiling a 20-tome Encyclopaedia of the Historical Lie of the Jewish Holocaust. In it will be found the names, in particular, of the judges who have disgraced themselves with such cynicism in convicting men and women who, in France, Britain, the United States, Canada and a good number of other countries, live, work and suffer for historical revisionism, that is, for one of mankind’s noblest intellectual adventures. This adventure will have known its “Righteous ones”, with Ursula Haverbeck and Lady Renouf figuring amongst them; the voluminous work will stand through the centuries ahead, like Horace’s “monumentum aere perennius”; it will be, let no-one doubt it, “a monument more lasting than bronze”.


August 14, 2018



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Re: Ursula Haverbeck didn't show up at Prison

Postby Dresden » 3 months 1 week ago (Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:22 pm)

Letter from Ursula Haverbeck:

Your Truth and My Truth Professor Frei! – Ursula Haverbeck

Reposted from Henry Hafenmayer

July 31, 2018

https://www.germanvictims.com/2018/09/y ... haverbeck/

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Frau Ursula Haverbeck

From Prison

July 31, 2018

Yours and My Truth


An article about me [Ursula Haverbeck] was published in the Süddeutsche Zeitung under the title ‘Hitlerliebe’ (Hitler Love) on July 21/22, 2018 by a historian, teaching newer and more recent history partly in Jena, partly in Israel. [admin: The Professor is a Jew.]

Professor Norbert Frei begins with the sentence:


“Ursula was 16 years old when Hitler committed suicide.”

He should have written:

“Ursula was 16 years old” when… the war, that was already drawing to an end, caught up with the people who had so far been largely spared in the East. After the total expulsion order, thousands of banished Germans set out to save themselves before the borders of the Bolshevik Red Army. That was the end of childhood and a very happy youth.

Prussians, Pomeranians, Silesians, Sudeten Germans and many other ethnic German groups could never return again to their old ancestral homeland, something that many still expected decades after the war, due to international law.

It was a bitter-cold January in 1945, the roads were frozen with ice. Often narrowly squeezed into three lanes, [German] troops headed east, and the farm buggies headed west, and in between them there were repeated transports of wounded. For the displaced Germans on the carriages, there was only one goal, despite the approaching gunfire, to get to Breslau and across the bridges of the river Oder as soon as possible, before they would be blown up.”

That would have said more about the reality of a sixteen-year-old girl’s life in East Germany in 1945.

Of course, a historian is also free to imagine a young person from the Nazi era at his own discretion. However, this usually says more about the mental condition of him than about the person described.

With the currency reform of 1948, a hard and serious cut into life began, especially for the homeless and unemployed expellees in foreign surroundings, where the inhabitants were already overwhelmed by the hundreds of thousands of people bombed out of their homes. All living space was already occupied well into the 1950s.

In England and Sweden they were looking for cleaning ladies for the hospitals and in positions of domestic help. I became a guest worker in Sweden from 1949 to 1953, from where I could support my parents.

The former “BDM” girl [Frau Haverbeck was designated by Prof. Frei to be a Hitler Youth Girl] – to which I never belonged; I had stayed with the 10-14 year olds as a young girls’ leader – was neither stubborn, nor angry, nor unhappy, as Norbert Frei claims I, his study object, was. I had a particularly happy time in Sweden. We met once a week in a German-Swedish working group for more than two years to study Rudolf Steiner’s ‘Philosophy of Freedom’. We read it in German and alternately lectured and discussed it in Swedish. There I heard of Baruch de Spinoza. Three of his sentences became my guide posts:


From the ethics: “Deus sive natura, ‘the unity and wholeness of God – nature.

“Man is man’s joy” as a replacement for the old Roman quote “man is man’s wolf.”

And from the theological-political treatise: “The true goal of all politics is freedom.”

The philosopher, who was a close friend of the Dutch politician Jan de Witt, recognized this as the basic maxim for the new political design after the collapse of the Spanish foreign rule, already shortly after the Thirty Year War at that time. It was to also point the way ahead for our departure. Freedom, please, not ego-liberalism!

The ‘Holocaust’ did not exist yet, and not in Sweden nor in Scotland in 1957 either, where I was able to study for a year thanks to a scholarship.

Tales of horror at Auschwitz did not attract further attention under the terror of the bombs and the misery of the displaced people, that was still omnipresent. Furthermore, there was also a large number of opposing statements about Auschwitz by contemporary witnesses, from personal experience. What was truth – what was a lie?

And not to forget, we knew who had already ‘declared’ war on us in March of 1933, and who it was that six months later declared the ‘Holy War’ against the most “bloodthirsty, evil people in the world, the Germans.” That wasn’t a new tune. Our fathers had already heard it in World War One.

“Denying the Holocaust is not an opinion, but a crime,” concludes Norbert Frei. For us, ‘The Holocaust’ was a Hollywood feature film from the USA. So this word first came into our consciousness in 1979. It was an enormous production, in four episodes in succession, with scientific introduction, panel discussion and tearful reports by Auschwitz survivors.

Auschwitz, the Holocaust and the six million gassings were one and the same. From now on it was regarded as the singular guilt of the Germans, that was not atonable for all eternity.

All refutations from available documents and scientific views were indexed, forbidden, destroyed. It was punishable to cite them in agreement, whether submitted by Jews, French, Americans or Germans.

Those born after 1960-1965 no longer had an opportunity to compare the information. For them, the Holocaust became an incontrovertible fact. And even today, every criticism, every question that is difficult to answer is punished with prohibitions and prison sentences. May I remind you of the trials against Ernst Zündel and the chemist Germar Rudolf in Mannheim.

The Institut für Zeitgeschichte (IfZ) [Institute of Contemporary History] managed the feat of publishing the Standort- und Kommandanturbefehle Auschwitz 1940-45 ohne IfZ Bemerkungen-530S in 2000, [commander’s orders at Auschwitz] and still withheld them at the same time from the public. In none of the more than 30 lawsuits [I have attended], have I ever heard them mentioned. (2001 – 2015).

Norbert Frei is made “speechless” by the “brazenness” of Ursula Haverbeck. This is simply explained by the fact that she knows not only the time after the Holocaust film, but also the 35 years before it, as well as a number of the critics involved, personally. [The accusations] have been reviewed retrospectively.

“The real goal of politics is freedom.” But how do you get freedom? This we find in John’s Gospel:


“The truth will set you free” (John 8:32).

Ursula Haverbeck, July 31, 2018
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

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Re: Ursula Haverbeck didn't show up at Prison

Postby ginger » 3 months 1 week ago (Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:07 am)

Thank you for posting this letter from Ursula H. - I have always had the impression that she is reasonable and intelligent. How hard it must be for intelligent people to live in Germany where the truth about the war is toxic to the group in power. Soviet justice still prevails in the West - the show trials of the Soviets and East Germany are still going on today in Germany. The Western powers are complicit when the unfairly label Ursula H. as "Nazi Grandma".

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Re: Ursula Haverbeck didn't show up at Prison

Postby Sannhet » 3 months 4 days ago (Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:58 pm)

It has been reported that "Free Ursula Haverbeck!" is among the slogans heard on the streets of Chemnitz in the past two weeks of demonstrations. (The recent demonstrations in that city followed an incident in which several refugees from Syria and Iraqi attempted a rape of a local girl and then murdered a local man who intervened; found dead with 25 stab wounds. The case galvanized German conservatives and nationalists.)

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Re: Ursula Haverbeck didn't show up at Prison

Postby Sannhet » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:08 pm)

It was reported that Ursula Haverbeck was to again stand trial for revisionism on September 12, 2018, a date which has now passed. Any updates? I find none online.

Ursula Haverbeck kommt – Linke und Rechte mobilisieren
Daniel Herder / 24.08.18

Holocaust-Leugnerin (89) steht in Hamburg vor Gericht – wieder wegen Volksverhetzung

Hamburg. Ursula Haverbeck ante portas – schon wieder. Am 12. September muss das Landgericht über die Berufung der 89 Jahre alten Holocaust-Leugnerin gegen ein drei Jahre altes Urteil des Hamburger Amtsgerichts wegen Volksverhetzung entscheiden. Schon jetzt schlägt der Auftritt der betagten Rechtsextremen hohe Wellen – in links- und rechtsextremistischen Kreisen.

So mobilisiert die linke Szene mit markigen Parolen gegen eine „Solidaritätskundgebung“ für Haverbeck vor dem Strafjustizgebäude am Verhandlungstag, zu der die rechtsextremistische Partei „Die Rechte“ aufgerufen hat. [....]
It says that a demonstration for Haverbeck was planned by a party called Die Rechte in association with the Hamburg trial of Sept. 12.


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