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Age Demographics of Survivors

Postby fireofice » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sun May 27, 2018 12:09 pm)

How do you explain the age demographics of the survivors? The old and really young are missing, those who were "unfit to work". Where did they go if they were not exterminated?

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Re: Age Demographics of Survivors

Postby Hannover » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sun May 27, 2018 1:52 pm)

fireofice wrote:How do you explain the age demographics of the survivors? The old and really young are missing, those who were "unfit to work". Where did they go if they were not exterminated?

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ewish.html

There is nothing that proves they are "missing".
So, please show us that those who would have been "old and really young, those who were "unfit to work"" are "missing"?

According to the storyline they all went to mass graves, which Jews claim to know the existence of.
So please show us these alleged huge mass graves and their alleged contents.

Healthy Jews at Auschwitz 'liberation':

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recommended:
Old Lady at Auschwitz barracks walking contradicts narrative
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11696
and:
See the 'Holocaust Controversies" mangled here. It's not even close.
The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt”
An Analysis and Refutation of Factitious “Evidence,” Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of the “Holocaust Controversies” Bloggers

By Jürgen Graf , Carlo Mattogno , Thomas Kues
https://codoh.com/library/document/3052/?lang=en

and:
Auschwitz

An "extermination camp" where thousands of Jews chose to be left behind when the Germans left.

An "extermination camp" where most of the inmates, more thousands, chose to leave WITH the 'evil' Germans.

An "extermination camp" where 1,250,000 human remains are supposedly buried, but no one can show us these remains.

An "extermination camp" where the absurdly alleged homicidal 'gas chambers' could not have worked as alleged, as proven repeatedly, scientifically.

An "extermination camp" where fake 'gas chambers' were "reconstructed" AFTER THE WAR.

An "extermination camp" where detailed aerial photos of the period show nothing that is alleged to have been happening.

An "extermination camp" where there are obvious, laughable attempts to tamper with aerial photos that make a mockery of the fake storyline.
see:
Auschwitz Aerial photos, tampered with to fit the fake story
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11669&p=87558

An "extermination camp" where there are countless Jew "survivors".

An "extermination camp" where so called "survivors" say the most impossible and conflicting things that do not hold up to scrutiny and would be laughed out of a legit court of law.

and:
Argument 12
from: 'Hungarian Holocaust Debate: Otto Perge vs. Dr. Laszlo Karsai'
http://juergen-graf.vho.org/articles/hu ... ebate.html

“Large numbers of Jews were sent to the camps of Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka. Where did these Jews go if they were not gassed?”
Answer

After the German leadership had abandoned the Madagascar plan, it pursued a new policy: The European Jews were to be resettled in the occupied Soviet territories. On 10 February 1942 Franz Rademacher wrote a letter to envoy Harald Bielfeld of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in which he stated:[67]

“The war against the Soviet Union has meanwhile opened up the possibility of providing other territories for the final solution. The Führer has decided accordingly that the Jews will not be deported to Madagascar but to the East. Hence, Madagascar need no longer be considered for the final solution.”

This clearly shows that the “final solution” was a territorial one!

The construction of the transit camps Belzec, Treblinka, and Sobibor must be seen in this context:

– On 17 March 1942 Fritz Reuter, an employee in the Department of Population Matters at the office of the General Governor for the Lublin district, wrote a memorandum on a conversation he had had the day before with SS-Hauptsturmführer Julius Höfle. According to this memorandum, Höfle had explained that “Jews unfit for work” would all be taken to Belzec, “the outmost border station in Zamosc county.” 4 to 5 transports of 1,000 Jews each would be “taken across the border and would never return to the General Government.”[68]

– On 13 August 1942 SS general Karl Wolff wrote to Albert Ganzenmüller of the Reichsbahn, who had previously informed him that since 22 July there had been a daily train with 5,000 Jews from Warsaw to Treblinka, that he was very glad to learn that the Germans were now able “to accelerate this population transfer.”[69]

– On 5 July 1943 Himmler ordered the “transit camp Sobibor” to be converted into a concentration camp.[70]

The mainstream “holocaust” historians expect us to believe that the National Socialist leadership used a “coded language” even in their private correspondence, and that expressions such as “be taken across the border,” “transit camp,” and “population transfer” were euphemisms for “physical extermination.” This claim is ridiculous beyond comment. To back up their monstrous fantasies about chemical slaughterhouses where huge numbers of Jews were gassed (in the case of Belzec and Treblinka with Diesel exhaust, although it is generally known that Diesel exhaust, which contains a high amount of oxygen and very low quantities of carbon monoxide, is relatively harmless), these historians can present no better evidence than grotesque “eyewitness testimony.” That the witnesses contradict each other on just about everything and that there reports are teeming with absurdities does not seem to bother these splendid scholars at all.

The whole gassing story hinges on the existence of the gas chamber buildings described by the self-styled “eyewitness.” Between 1997 and 2000, a highly qualified Polish archeologist, Prof. Andrzej Kola, performed extensive excavations and drillings on the territory of the former camps Belzec and Sobibor.[71] He was unable to find the slightest trace of the alleged gas chamber buildings, which definitely settles the matter.

The authors of the above-mentioned book Sobibor. Holocaust Propaganda and Reality adduce solid evidence for the presence of French, Belgian, Dutch, and other Western Jews in the occupied Eastern territories during the war. Two examples will suffice here:

– During the German wartime occupation of Lithuania, the Jew Herman Kruk kept a Yiddish-language diary which was later translated into English.[72] In his entry of 16 April 1943 Kruk mentioned the presence of 19,000 Dutch Jews in the Lithuanian town of Vievis. On 20 April 1943, he wrote that furniture belonging to Dutch Jews had been brought to the local workshops for repair and that Dutch documents had been found in the drawers. As there is no reason on earth why Kruk should have made up this story, this proves that Dutch Jews allegedly gassed at Auschwitz and Sobibor were transferred to Lithuania (mainstream “holocaust” literature knows nothing about Dutch Jews in the Eastern territories).

– In April 1944 the communist French underground newspaper Notre Voix reported that 8,000 Jews from Paris had been “rescued” by the Red Army in Ukraine.[73] According to “holocaust” literature, the only French Jews ever deported to the East went to Estonia and Lithuania in May 1944,[74] so the Parisian Jews found in the Ukraine in April 1944 must by necessity have gone there via Auschwitz. In the “holocaust” statistics, they figure as “gassed people.”

Now, the supporters of the orthodox “holocaust” story will ask why there are no German documents about railway transports of these Jews to the occupied Eastern Territories and about Jewish settlements in the East. Furthermore they will ask what happened to those of the deported Jews who survived the harsh wartime conditions. To these questions the revisionists can only oppose a hypothesis, but a reasonable and well-founded one:

For several reasons, the victorious allies decided to continue propagating the Jewish extermination story after the war. First of all, this enabled them to excuse their own crimes, such as the terror bombing of the German cities or the inhumane expulsion of more than 15 million civilians from East Germany and the Sudetenland, by accusing the vanquished of far worse atrocities. But there were other, even more important reasons. By charging Germany with an unparalleled crime, the victors hoped to crush the national spirit of the German people and to prevent any resurgence of German nationalism. Finally the “holocaust” story prepared the ground for the foundation of the State of Israel, which both the USA and the Soviet Union wholeheartedly supported. (In view of the communist sympathies of many Jews, Stalin undoubtedly hoped that Israel would become a Soviet bulwark in the Near East; as the further developments showed, this hope was illusionary.) Now, if the Jewish extermination story was to be believed, the documents about the transfer of the Jews to the East had to disappear. For the victorious powers it was certainly not difficult to destroy, or to hide, some piles of paper.

The number of the Jews transferred to the occupied Soviet territories was about 1.9 million (for details see the above-mentioned book Sobibor. Holocaust Propaganda and Reality). A clear majority of them were Polish Jews. The authors of the book assume that the Soviet prevented the deportees who had survived the grim wartime conditions from returning to their homelands after 1945.

Jürgen Graf und Carlo Mattogno, KL Majdanek. Eine wissenschaftliche und technische Studie, Castle Hill Publishers, Hastings 1998.
[67] Nuremberg document NG-5770.
[68] Jüdisches Historisches Institut Warschau (ed.), Faschismus – Ghetto – Massenmord, Röderberg Verlag, Frankfurt am Main 1981, p. 269 f.
[69] Raul Hilberg, Sonderzüge nach Auschwitz, Dumjahn, Munich 1981, p. 181.
[70] Nuremberg document NO-482.
[71] Andrzej Kola, Belzec. The Nazi Camp for Jews in the Light of Archeological Sources. Excavations from 1997 – 2000, Warsaw/Washington 2000. – Andrzej Kola, “Badania Archeologiczne terenu bylego obozu zaglady Zydow w Sobiborze,” in: Przeszlosc i Pamiec, No 4 (21), 2001.
[72] Herman Kruk, The last days of the Jerusalem of Lithuania, Yale University Press, New Haven/London 2002.
[73] Adam Raisky, La presse antiraciste sous l’occupation hitlérienne, Paris 1950, p. 179.
[74] Serge Klarsfeld, Le mémorial de la déportation des juifs de France, Paris 1978.

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Re: Age Demographics of Survivors

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Re: Age Demographics of Survivors

Postby Hannover » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sun May 27, 2018 9:15 pm)

That's it?
The claimed 'survey' linked to in the OP is ridiculous, a joke typical of 'Holocaust Controversies'.
https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ewish.html

Why would anyone believe an alleged Communist / Zionist 'poll' at any time, especially one that was supposedly done right after the war by some alleged & obscure group (DEGOB) with a vested interest in lying?
I can't think of a more biased group who are hardly known for their truthfulness, the record is clear on that.

Immediately the fake nonsense debunks itself:
In 1945/46, the DEGOB staff had interviewed individuals and groups of Hungarian Jews, in total about 5000 people, who stayed or passed through Budapest. About 3000 of those had been previously deported to Auschwitz

3000 Jews were supposedly sent to "Auschwitz death camp" ... that were not put to death.

To repeat: "Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable 'holocaust' storyline is the message."

See my points in my previous post. The entire matter just does not withstand rational inquiry and contradicts the official & impossible storyline
And this is 'Holocaust Controversies' best shot.
No wonder Revisionism is gaining so much traction.

Again, a must read here:
The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt”
An Analysis and Refutation of Factitious “Evidence,” Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of the “Holocaust Controversies” Bloggers

By Jürgen Graf , Carlo Mattogno , Thomas Kues
https://codoh.com/library/document/3052/?lang=en

I suggest that our readers enter each one of those listed as part of this 'Holocaust Controversies' group into our search function and see the demolition they have taken at The CODOH Forum. It's all here.

So then, Fireofice, are you really prepared to debate this?

Cheers & welcome.

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"Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

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Re: Age Demographics of Survivors

Postby borjastick » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Mon May 28, 2018 1:30 am)

The 3000 who were deported to Auschwitz were presumably those who were also killed en masse in the summer of 1944 in the claimed 400,000 mass murder of all Hungarian jews sent there.

On a general note to the OP the numbers game appears to have returned. When one can show exactly who and how many were sent to any particular camp and back that up with facts then we might get somewhere towards understanding how many survived etc.

If one simply starts the holocaust journey with the 6m figure in mind and tries to work out survivor rates etc from that figure working down then it's a lost cause.
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Re: Age Demographics of Survivors

Postby borjastick » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Mon May 28, 2018 4:07 am)

The complete lack of Jews selected as unfit for work in this demographic data set radically refutes the denier notion that these were kept alive.
Holocaust controversies...

Hogwash. Rubbish in = rubbish out.

Oh what a tangled web we weave and so on. They are saying that as we have no proof that all these people survived and or were sent elsewhere in the camp system or even deported into Russia they must be killed. This type of argument has been tried over and over, it's designed to confuse the newbie and the naive.

Let's look at this the adult way. If all these people and over 700,000 more were murdered and cremated at Auschwitz there would be literally trainloads of evidence for that to have happened, and there isn't. No cremation capacity, no fuel, no cremains, no bodies. Where are the physical remains from all these 1.1m ++++ bodies? Plus one would have to accept that cremating all these bodies to even stand a chance of being turned to something approaching dust would take something in excess of 6 years.

How convenient that holocaustcontroversies and the merry bunch of chaps that run it don't inhabit a world where physics exists.

Maybe it's just possible that all these so called witnesses and survivors weren't there in the first place, that the camp numbers were in fact massively lower. Oh and how they seem to forget that over 200,000 Hungarian jews magically appeared after the war, in Hungary.
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Re: Age Demographics of Survivors

Postby Hannover » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Mon May 28, 2018 9:16 am)

bk:
Oh and how they seem to forget that over 200,000 Hungarian jews magically appeared after the war, in Hungary.

Indeed, Jews went where Jews are and they are everywhere.

I remember in the 70s that Jews poured out of the USSR and were, as usual, given preferential treatment to come to the US or 'Israel'.
Jews simply flocked out of Europe in general after the war, the DP camps (Displaced Persons) were filled with Jews who no doubt are considered 'holocausted'.

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Re: Age Demographics of Survivors

Postby borjastick » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Mon May 28, 2018 12:02 pm)

Hannover wrote:bk:
Oh and how they seem to forget that over 200,000 Hungarian jews magically appeared after the war, in Hungary.

Indeed, Jews went where Jews are and they are everywhere.

I remember in the 70s that Jews poured out of the USSR and were, as usual, given preferential treatment to come to the US or 'Israel'.
Jews simply flocked out of Europe in general after the war, the DP camps (Displaced Persons) were filled with Jews who no doubt are considered 'holocausted'.

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Indeed Hannover and wasn't it General Patton who said how astonished he was that immediately at the war's end over one million jews appeared in Germany! I don't remember his exact quote, sure someone will though, about the situation and the state of these people. I mean where on earth could they have come from if not from the camps, if they were there in the first place.

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Re: Age Demographics of Survivors

Postby borjastick » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Mon May 28, 2018 12:30 pm)

Ahh yes here it is, a gem from a veritable cornucopia of jewels as expressed by his good self General Patton -
With great reluctance, and only after repeated promptings from Eisenhower, he (Patton) had thrown German families out of their homes to make room for more than a million Jewish DP's - part of the famous "six million" who had supposedly been gassed -

http://reformationsa.org/index.php/comp ... rge-patton

Well worth a read to see exactly how he viewed the truth as he saw things on the ground, up close and personal.

He saw the truth and was expressing it clearly so as to leave no ambiguity, and that's why he was got rid of.
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Re: Age Demographics of Survivors

Postby fireofice » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Mon May 28, 2018 3:00 pm)

Looking over it again, I think there is an easy way to explain this. Those who were "unfit to work" probably did die more than the others in the camps, not necessarily from extermination. Next, people "unfit to work" were probably more likely to move and then get recorded after having moved. That can easily explain why there are virtually no old or really young people in the poll. Keep in mind these are Jews who moved to Hungary not long after the war. On top of all that the pollsters would definitely be biased. So I think it's safe to say that this poll doesn't tell us much about an extermination program one way or the other.

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Re: Age Demographics of Survivors

Postby Hannover » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Mon May 28, 2018 7:54 pm)

fireofice wrote:1. Looking over it again, I think there is an easy way to explain this. Those who were "unfit to work" probably did die more than the others in the camps, not necessarily from extermination. 2. Next, people "unfit to work" were probably more likely to move and then get recorded after having moved. That can easily explain why there are virtually no old or really young people in the poll. Keep in mind these are Jews who moved to Hungary not long after the war. 3. On top of all that the pollsters would definitely be biased. So I think it's safe to say that this poll doesn't tell us much about an extermination program one way or the other.

1. What makes you think they died at all? Granted, young and old might have been more disease prone, but the numbers of so called "survivors" are vast. Please recall the large numbers of old & young Jews that chose to stay at Auschwitz and were quite alive & well when the Soviets entered Auschwitz. Recall the majority of Jews, additional thousands, who chose to leave with the Germans before the Soviets arrived.

2. I'm not sure if I follow. "Move" from where to where? "Recorded" how?
That poll is fake. It necessarily, deliberately excludes old & young people, which we know were not murdered, to force fit the story being developed at the time. And then they mentioned an alleged 3000 Jews who returned from "death camp Auschwitz", who were not murdered as their own fake narrative states. And aren't most of the Jews in this poll / survey said to be Hungarian Jews who were sent to Auschwitz, not Jews from elsewhere that 'moved' to Hungary after the war. This survey also provides no proof that previously deported Hungarian Jews all returned to Hungary in the first place.

3. Biased? The entire survey is a fraud filled with holes, as demonstrated, which indicates more lies from communist Zionists which were / are the norm, not the exception.

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Why do so many people want 6M Jews to be dead? Revisionists don't. One would think that Jews especially would be elated to hear that '6M' of their brethren were not murdered.
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