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Modern cremation facts dispel the holocaust claims.

Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:08 am)

Here's an interesting article in today's Daily Mail. It's an interview with a crematory worker in Australia about what happens to a body, how weight affects cremation time and temperature etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-job.html

It very quickly rubbishes all those claims of people being cremated in fifteen minutes and nothing left afterwards etc and this is from a modern cremation facility where the temperature is 800c - 1000c for over an hour! And that's for one body.

So we are left asking which year in the 1950s did they finish burning all the 1.1m bodies from Auschwitz and where's the cremains?


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Postby Revisionist » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:02 pm)

Thanks for the article. I wondered if I could get any information on the duration of firebricks but to no avail.
This is something which is not commonly known, that you change the fire resistant bricks inside after some thousands cremations.

https://www.blcremationsystems.com/FAQRefractory.html

We expect over 8,000 hours of operation to be performed prior to a total rebricking.

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Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:55 pm)

According to this source, in reference to the Auschwitz ovens http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how ... ust-denial
These crematoria were carefully designed, in 1942, to have sufficient capacity to dispose of 140,000 corpses per month
Let's do the math. According to this, 140,000 were cremated per month. Divide that by 31 days of the month, you get 4516 to the nearest whole number. Divide that by 24 hours in the day, you get 188 to the nearest whole number. Divide that by the 52 ovens, you get, 3.6. Divide that by 60 minutes of an hour, you get 16 minutes and 40 seconds per body. There is not a crematory upon the face of the Earth which could possibly reach this proportion.

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Re: Modern cremation facts dispel the holocaust claims.

Postby mark_gr » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:31 pm)

How many bodies could the Auschwitz crematories cremate in total?

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Postby Hannover » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:08 pm)

asked:
How many bodies could the Auschwitz crematories cremate in total?

Have a look here:

The Crematories of Auschwitz
A Critique of Jean-Claude Pressac

By Carlo Mattogno
https://codoh.com/library/document/2556/?lang=en

even more:
https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relev ... n+capacity

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Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:13 am)

JLAD Prove Me Wrong wrote:According to this source, in reference to the Auschwitz ovens http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how ... ust-denial
These crematoria were carefully designed, in 1942, to have sufficient capacity to dispose of 140,000 corpses per month
Let's do the math. According to this, 140,000 were cremated per month. Divide that by 31 days of the month, you get 4516 to the nearest whole number. Divide that by 24 hours in the day, you get 188 to the nearest whole number. Divide that by the 52 ovens, you get, 3.6. Divide that by 60 minutes of an hour, you get 16 minutes and 40 seconds per body. There is not a crematory upon the face of the Earth which could possibly reach this proportion.


52 ovens? Where does that figure come from please?
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Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:14 am)

JLAD Prove Me Wrong wrote:
According to this source, in reference to the Auschwitz ovens http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how ... ust-denial
These crematoria were carefully designed, in 1942, to have sufficient capacity to dispose of 140,000 corpses per month

Let's do the math. According to this, 140,000 were cremated per month. Divide that by 31 days of the month, you get 4516 to the nearest whole number. Divide that by 24 hours in the day, you get 188 to the nearest whole number. Divide that by the 52 ovens, you get, 3.6. Divide that by 60 minutes of an hour, you get 16 minutes and 40 seconds per body. There is not a crematory upon the face of the Earth which could possibly reach this proportion.



borjastick wrote:
52 ovens? Where does that figure come from please?

According to this source http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how ... ust-denial ]
Yet, Mattogno was arguing that all 52 Auschwitz ovens could not have disposed of more than 162,000 bodies.

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Postby Hannover » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:36 am)

JLAD, you need to put just a bit of effort into research before just winging it. :) It's all here. Read on.

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from:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10214&p=76881&hilit=hannover+prufer#p76881

"How many bodies were cremated per hour at Auschwitz?"

Prüfer (builder of the crematorium) responded:
"In a crematory with 5 ovens and 15 muffles, fifteen bodies were cremated."
This means an average cremation time of one hour per body per muffle and indicates that the theoretical maximum capacity of Crematory IV (and each of the ovens of Crematory V as well) in a 24 hour period was 192 bodies.

At his interrogation on 19th March 1946 Prüfer elaborated as follows:[28]

"I have mentioned the enormous load to which the overtaxed ovens were subjected. I told Chief Engineer Sander I was worried about whether the ovens could withstand the excessive load. In my presence, two bodies were placed in one muffle, instead of a single body, and the ovens were unable to handle the load"

and:
SS Kurt Prufer, told the officers of SMERSCH (according to documents found in the Moscow archives) that only one body at a time could be cremated per muffle and that the cremation time took 60 minutes, and that they tried to cremate 2 bodies at a time; but the temperature inside the muffle went so high that it damaged the oven.
and:
- There was a total 52 muffles of Auschwitz, never used simultaneously.

- 38 is the most that were ever online simultaneously.


- The 6 at Auschwitz I were taken out of action as soon as the new ones at Birkenau came online. These were in turn liable to long periods of breakdowns and even idleness.

- If there was a program of mass extermination, the desperate need for cremation capacity is obvious. Why then put six muffles out of action?


- In August 1942, at the main camp, 9000 prisoners died. According to Believer & profiteer John Zimmerman, Auschwitz I would have had a cremation capacity of about 4,680 per month (26 per muffle daily on average, as at Gusen).
So the cremation capacity was about half of what it needed to be during the typhus epidemic.
At the same time, the camp was planned to hold an eventual inmate population of 200,000 (a seven-fold increase from August 1942, at less than 30,000).
Therefore, in August 1942, the very month that 'Auschwitz expert' van Pelt claims the homicidal adaptation of the crematoria was initiated, the Auschwitz Bauleitung authorities should have requested a crematoria construction program which should have produced capacities almost 14 times greater than the 6 muffles of Auschwitz I at the time. In 1943, when the camp population reached about 140,000, the number of muffles was just over 6 times greater than August 1942, because Crematorium IV broke down and was not repaired (mothballed) and Crematorium I at the main camp was converted into an air-raid shelter. There were 38 muffles.
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Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:38 pm)

The theoretical cremation rate is just pie in the sky when compared to the potential actual ovens available at any one time etc. Believers often quote the maximum theoretical number in order to somehow get close to the claimed death rates. Even the article quoted by Hannover can be read several ways, because from my understanding there were only 38 ovens available for a short time. People will read 38 ovens and then start doing mental mathematical gymnastics assuming they were always available and available for several years which is not the case.

The other slippery target is the burn rate of a body. We know that a modern crematorium takes more than 1 hour per body in perfect conditions to do a proper job. So we can guess that in 1942 these ovens were less efficient and as such each oven could probably handle no more than 12-16 hours of work per day and then every oven would have had down time for repairs etc.

But as always whatever claims are made about 1.1m deaded at Auschwitz you have only one question to ask; where are their remains?

Just as that idiot said 'we know it was technically possible because it happened' I would say we know it didn't happen because it couldn't happen.
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Postby Marley775 » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:58 pm)

Even if all the 46 muffles of Birkenau were available at the same time, the ratio "Inmates per muffle" was worse than Buchenwald which isnt known as a "death camp" and had the same triple muffles as Birkenau's Krema II/III.

Birkenau: planned for 200 000 inmates/ 46 muffles = 4348 inmates per muffle.

Buchewald: 25 000 inmates / 6 muffles = 4167 inmates per muffle.

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Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:24 pm)

Marley775 wrote:Even if all the 46 muffles of Birkenau were available at the same time, the ratio "Inmates per muffle" was worse than Buchenwald which isnt known as a "death camp" and had the same triple muffles as Birkenau's Krema II/III.

Birkenau: planned for 200 000 inmates/ 46 muffles = 4348 inmates per muffle.

Buchewald: 25 000 inmates / 6 muffles = 4167 inmates per muffle.


Highest number of inmates, including sub-camps: 155,000.
- https://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamp ... tzEng.html
Thus 155.000 / 46 muffles = 3369.
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Postby Marley775 » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:52 pm)

borjastick,

Highest number of inmates, including sub-camps: 155,000.


I agree... In practice. However, it was planned to be increased to 200 000.

The Mexico section (BIII) on the right, clearly show space for futur barracks.

http://www.hgsempai.fr/atelier/?p=1226



C. Mattogno:

«The decision to build three more crematories at Birkenau was made on 19 August 1942 (p. 49), after Himmler, during his inspection of Auschwitz on 17 and 18 July 1942, had ordered that the actual forecast for the KGL (prisoner of war camp) at Birkenau be increased from 125,000 to 200,000 prisoners (p. 44)»

In other words, only Krema II was planned for 125 000 prisoners, at the begining.

Section 3 (The reason for existence of crematories), link below:

http://vho.org/GB/Books/anf/Mattogno.html

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Re: Modern cremation facts dispel the holocaust claims.

Postby RouterAl » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:27 am)

I was looking at this from a modern British point of view. In this country as far as I can find we have about 300 crematoria. This is to cremate about 375,000 people who die each year in the UK and wish cremation. Simple arithmetic gives you say 1250 bodies per crematoria per year. If we take about 300 working days per year that gives about 4 bodies per crematoria per day. This is what you would expect with a modern gas oven , 1.5 - 2 hours start to finish allowing for cool off and to clear up and reducing to powder of the remains. Most crematoria I understand have now a waiting list which in personal recent experience can be between 10-14 days.

If that's what we can achieve with a modern computer controlled gas oven , it strains credulity that even the Germans would manage any better with 70 year old technology based on invisible coke and operator skill.


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