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Babi Yar / Trial for 3 Alleged members of Firing Squads? / Fake Pictures & more

Postby Hannover » 4 months 1 week ago (Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:58 pm)

The "Holocau$t Industry" never misses an opportunity provide Revisionists with more information confirming that the '6,000,000 Jews' is a fraud, a scam. The entire affair is buffoonish, a veritable Amateur Hour at every turn. But hey, as is often said: "Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the 'holocaust' storyline is the message."

Here we have an article which debunks itself.

It says that they have three "suspects" who were supposedly involved in the alleged mass shooting of 34,000 Jews* at a site called Babi Yar, near Kiev, Ukraine. Evidence against them is not stated, of course. * The numbers have changed, no one knows what they'll be tomorrow.

Then there's the problem that there is no proof that this alleged 'mass murder of 34,000 Jews' ever happened, period. In fact there IS clear & compelling information indicating that it DID NOT happen.
For example:
We have an aerial photo of Babi Yar at the exact time of the alleged action:

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But yet we see nothing happening. Think about what we would be seeing if that alleged action was underway.

Then there is the complete lack of human remains, that are alleged. Can anyone actually show us any excavations of Babi Yar with the alleged human remains shown? No you cannot, nor will you ever ... because the alleged mass shooting is a lie. There's no other way to describe it.

Now read on below and see the hilariously fake pictures that are included in the article.
The first one is beyond preposterous.
The second has the typical seam around the dirt above the alleged corpses, corpses which are not corpses at all, just piles of clothing, paper, whatever; but definitely not human remains. Otherwise we would have seen a serious forensic report, like what the Germans did for the Katyn Massacres of Poles by the communist USSR, see that here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=758

also recommended:
!! Excavation Result: No Enormous Human Remains as Alleged at Babi Yar !! ... of course: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314
and:
'What Happened at Babi Yar? / Fact vs. Myth' / Using air photos and wartime newspapers, Ukrainian writer MICHAEL NIKIFORUK attacks a few myths about a wartime atrocity.: http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/BabiYar/Nikiforuk.html
and:
'Babi Yar: Critical Questions and Comments': http://codoh.com/library/document/920/?lang=en
and:
Bodies at Babi Yar, John Gibbons Reporting: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7302
and:
'Babi Yar 'massacre' debunked': viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41

Comments invited.

- Hannover

https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-pr ... ng-squads/
German prosecutors mull trials for 3 alleged members of Holocaust firing squads
Former members of the Einsatzgruppe death squads under pretrial investigation for massacring tens of thousands of Jews in Babi Yar, Ukraine

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caption: Photo taken from the body of a dead German officer killed in Russia, showing a Nazi firing squad shooting Jews in the back as they sit beside their own mass grave, in Babi Yar, Kiev, 1942.

JTA — German prosecutors have identified three suspects from a 2014 list of nine alleged Holocaust-era war criminals accused of shooting countless Jews.

Kurt G., Herbert W. and Wilhelm Karl Friedrich Hoffmeister, allegedly members of the firing squads that murdered Jews in Eastern Europe during the Holocaust, have been under pretrial investigation for months for alleged war crimes and participation in genocide, the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Eastern Europe director, Efraim Zuroff, told JTA on Thursday. Each case is being handled by a different regional prosecutor’s office, he said.

Whereas five of the names on the list that Zuroff gave German prosecutors in 2014 were not located, they were able to identify three who they suspect were former members of the Einsatzgruppe C death squad, which took part in the massacre of tens of thousands of Jews in Babi Yar, Ukraine, in September 1941.

The investigation against two of the three men was launched after the ARD television channel interviewed them in September. They admitted to being members of that group on camera. All three men are in their 90s.

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caption: Part of the Babi Yar ravine at the outskirts of Kiev, Ukraine where the advancing Red Army unearthed the bodies of 14,000 civilians killed by fleeing Nazis, 1944.

Zuroff said he could not comment on the length of time that the investigations are taking.

“I don’t have the information necessary to make that call,” he told JTA. But, he said, “The German perpetrators of the Holocaust showed great determination in killing Jews. I hope German prosecutors today demonstrate the same sense of urgency in serving justice to those war criminals.”

The path to prosecuting common executioners like Einsatzgruppen troops was paved with the 2011 conviction in Munich of former concentration camp guard John Demjanjuk as an accomplice in the murders of nearly 30,000 Jews in the Sobibor death camp in Poland. It set a precedent in that being a guard at a death camp was sufficient to prove complicity in murder.

Previous prosecutions of Nazi criminals were focused on the architects of the genocide, leading to “very few convictions” of people who actually did the killing, sometimes of hundreds of Jews in a single day, Zuroff said.


If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Babi Yar / Trial for 3 Alleged members of Firing Squads? / Fake Pictures & more

Postby borjastick » 4 months 1 week ago (Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:26 am)

The biggest kicker for me on the claimed Babi Yar massacre is that, I believe, the location was developed and built on in recent decades, yet with no excavation and zero human remains discovered. Surely if this is true the buildings would have had foundations and the local area would have given up its secrets.

Can anyone shine any further light on the development and building plans and history on the site?
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Postby Hektor » 4 months 1 week ago (Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:39 am)

borjastick wrote:The biggest kicker for me on the claimed Babi Yar massacre is that, I believe, the location was developed and built on in recent decades, yet with no excavation and zero human remains discovered. Surely if this is true the buildings would have had foundations and the local area would have given up its secrets.

Can anyone shine any further light on the development and building plans and history on the site?

Who needs research, if one can simply erect monuments to make people believe stuff:
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I'd presume the monuments are close to location, and digging would have been necessary. Nothing would have prevented authorities and academics from doing some thorough research at the site. But it seems they did choose NOT to do so, or they simply aren't publishing the results.

This propaganda movie posing as documentary is also revealing in what it's actually not showing:
https://archive.org/details/SovietPropa ... sShootings

Meanwhile they created a "memorial center" as well:
On June 15, 2018, a meeting of the participants, who signed the Memorandum of Cooperation to create the Babi Yar Holocaust Memorial Center, marked the beginning of the joint work between all parties. The delegation of state institutions included represenatives from the Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine, the Ministry of Culture of Ukraine, the Kyiv City State Administration :and the National Historical memorial Preserve "Babyn Yar".

http://babiyar.org/en/byhmc-news/posts/ ... -raboty-in

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Postby borjastick » 4 months 1 week ago (Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:25 am)

Another use for the quote 'We don't need evidence, we have witnesses'.

Or maybe we can re-work this to -
There is no evidence so we'll just lie
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Postby Breker » 4 months 1 week ago (Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:44 pm)

borjastick wrote:Another use for the quote 'We don't need evidence, we have witnesses'.

Or maybe we can re-work this to -
There is no evidence so we'll just lie

We believe there were witnesses aplenty, to witchcraft.
How to Create False Witnesses https://daily.jstor.org/create-false-witnesses/
Why eyewitnesses give false evidence – and how we can stop them http://theconversation.com/why-eyewitne ... them-67254

Doesn't the rather bizarre narrative say that the Germans exhumed all the human remains, cremated them, and then used bone grinders to finish the job?
But then we have this pretend 'discovery' picture:
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Cleary control of the narrative has been lost. Such is the way of liars.
They've made fake photos that blow up in their face.
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Revisionists are just the messengers, the impossibility of the "Holocaust" narrative is the message.


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