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Zuckerberg: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial / but sister Randi promotes law against free speech

Postby Spect3r » 4 weeks 1 day ago (Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:10 pm)

[I changed the thread title a bit to reflect Zuckerberg's sister promoting anti free speech laws as shown on page 2 of this thread - M1]

Not for the best reasons (free speech, etc) but still this is good news.

Facebook will not ban accounts or pages that spout Holocaust denial or other harmful conspiracy theories, the company's chief executive Mark Zuckerberg has said.

Mr Zuckerberg, who is Jewish, said Facebook would not block Holocaust denial because "there are things that different people get wrong".


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ ... ngs-wrong/



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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby Deitrich » 4 weeks 23 hours ago (Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:29 pm)

Spect3r wrote:Not for the best reasons (free speech, etc) but still this is good news.

Facebook will not ban accounts or pages that spout Holocaust denial or other harmful conspiracy theories, the company's chief executive Mark Zuckerberg has said.

Mr Zuckerberg, who is Jewish, said Facebook would not block Holocaust denial because "there are things that different people get wrong".


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ ... ngs-wrong/


No, but any and all site will boot you totally off for even the slightest defense of anything "third reichish", the only real point of comfort is that you may not directly be banned from facebook if the post is worded well.

For example: This week "War History Online" retired myself for espousing the following..

On a recent article propaganda about how the German's massacred 10,000 innocent Poles, and the Polish Church at Bromberg. Missing was the rest of the story about the massacre of German's- the lack of solid evidence for the figures of the massacre of Pole's and the idea of "reprisals" not welcome either. Juxtaposed amongst the Polish campaign, the fact the German's did not want to bomb Warsaw, and the subsequent peace offer to clear Poland also refused, and the facts about the Corridor and Danzig issues precipitating the war as the backdrop- were not welcome and caused a quiet "removal".

^No mention of holocaust denial or even a 1 sided story was painted, merely one of an even handed approach.

Yet this was enough for an American site about War to cancel a cheque.

It seems the onus has been placed on local administrations rather than central.

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby DissentingOpinions » 4 weeks 23 hours ago (Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:57 pm)

What difference does it make? The only Holocaust revisionist groups I can find either focus on Israel & Zionists more than revisionism, or they're so infested with trolls that rational discussion is pointless.

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby Hannover » 4 weeks 21 hours ago (Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:42 pm)

DissentingOpinions wrote:What difference does it make? The only Holocaust revisionist groups I can find either focus on Israel & Zionists more than revisionism, or they're so infested with trolls that rational discussion is pointless.

Indeed. Jews, Israel actually fund rooms full of other Jews to monitor, manipulate, post false and / or misleading pro-Jew propaganda everywhere.

A very informative piece here, with The Usual Enemies of Free Speech desperately commenting, trying to control & re-direct the debate.
They don't so well when free speech is not banned. Have a look.

How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet
http://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-a ... =wikipedia

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Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the 'holocaust' storyline is the message.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby Hektor » 4 weeks 18 hours ago (Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:28 pm)

Hannover wrote:
DissentingOpinions wrote:What difference does it make? The only Holocaust revisionist groups I can find either focus on Israel & Zionists more than revisionism, or they're so infested with trolls that rational discussion is pointless.

Indeed. Jews, Israel actually fund rooms full of other Jews to monitor, manipulate, post false and / or misleading pro-Jew propaganda everywhere.

A very informative piece here, with The Usual Enemies of Free Speech desperately commenting, trying to control & re-direct the debate.
They don't so well when free speech is not banned. Have a look.
....

Not only Jews:

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 4 weeks 15 hours ago (Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:03 am)

Could be an opportunity, for someone to make a really good holocaust denial facebook page and see what happens. Behind Zuckerberg's sentence is years of Voltaire-ian despair regarding whether this topic is "free speech."

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 4 weeks 13 hours ago (Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:46 am)

Also, we never know where we are in the schema of events. Will the myth break? If so will this be considered a momentous step in that? Could it be akin to the Edict of Serdica (Edict of Toleration) in the late Roman Empire?

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby Pia Kahn » 4 weeks 10 hours ago (Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:15 am)

I don't see this as an "Edict of Serdica". The censorship laws in Europa are still in place.

The importance of Zuckerberg's decision is merely that a very prominent and powerful Jew is standing up for freedom of speech. I support him.

I find his reasoning quite astonishing:

"Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial 'because people get things wrong', says Mark Zuckerberg"

Thus, Mark believes that the holocaust deniers are not intentionally lying about the holocaust for some evil motives. No, they are simply mistaken about the holocaust.

Yes, the holocaust deniers may just be mistaken. Mark apparently does not buy the propaganda that all holocaust deniers are evil Nazis. I salute that.

How does he know this inspite of all the propaganda to the contrary? Well, I suspect that Mark must know a little bit about holocaust revisionism.

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby Spect3r » 4 weeks 8 hours ago (Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:56 am)

Deitrich wrote:
Spect3r wrote:Not for the best reasons (free speech, etc) but still this is good news.

Facebook will not ban accounts or pages that spout Holocaust denial or other harmful conspiracy theories, the company's chief executive Mark Zuckerberg has said.

Mr Zuckerberg, who is Jewish, said Facebook would not block Holocaust denial because "there are things that different people get wrong".


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ ... ngs-wrong/


No, but any and all site will boot you totally off for even the slightest defense of anything "third reichish", the only real point of comfort is that you may not directly be banned from facebook if the post is worded well.

For example: This week "War History Online" retired myself for espousing the following..

On a recent article propaganda about how the German's massacred 10,000 innocent Poles, and the Polish Church at Bromberg. Missing was the rest of the story about the massacre of German's- the lack of solid evidence for the figures of the massacre of Pole's and the idea of "reprisals" not welcome either. Juxtaposed amongst the Polish campaign, the fact the German's did not want to bomb Warsaw, and the subsequent peace offer to clear Poland also refused, and the facts about the Corridor and Danzig issues precipitating the war as the backdrop- were not welcome and caused a quiet "removal".

^No mention of holocaust denial or even a 1 sided story was painted, merely one of an even handed approach.

Yet this was enough for an American site about War to cancel a cheque.

It seems the onus has been placed on local administrations rather than central.


Yes, things arent good in general, but be happy for this (even if small) victory :)

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby Spect3r » 4 weeks 4 hours ago (Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:40 am)

https://www.dw.com/en/facebooks-mark-zu ... a-44749187

"Nobody should defend anyone who denies the Holocaust. On the contrary, worldwide, everything must be done to protect Jewish life."


Poor German people, with politicians like this you might as well lay down and roll over.

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 4 weeks 1 hour ago (Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:26 pm)

Pia wrote
Thus, Mark believes that the holocaust deniers are not intentionally lying about the holocaust for some evil motives. No, they are simply mistaken about the holocaust.

Yes, the holocaust deniers may just be mistaken. Mark apparently does not buy the propaganda that all holocaust deniers are evil Nazis. I salute that.

How does he know this inspite of all the propaganda to the contrary? Well, I suspect that Mark must know a little bit about holocaust revisionism.

Interesting points. I never thought of that. It reminds me of the zone that Bradley Smith wanted things to be on. He wanted "open debate" and was willing to admit he was wrong if someone could show him that.

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby phdnm » 4 weeks 44 minutes ago (Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:42 pm)

Zuckerberg is wrong about Holocaust denial, claims Wiesenthal Center


“Mark Zuckerberg is wrong. Holocaust deniers only come in two flavors-those who don’t want to believe there was an Auschwitz and those who want to finish the job," said Rabbi Abraham Cooper.

July 19, 2018

The Simon Wiesenthal Center slammed into Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg on Thursday following an interview in which he said Facebook will not remove content suggesting the Holocaust did not take place.

“Mark Zuckerberg is wrong. Holocaust deniers only come in two flavors-- those who don’t want to believe there was an Auschwitz and those who want to finish the job, like Iran,” said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, the Wiesenthal Center’s Associate Dean and Director of Global Social Action.

“Holocaust denial is the quintessential ‘fake news’. The Nazi Holocaust is the most documented atrocity in history, allowing the canard of Holocaust denial to be posted on Facebook, or any other social media platform cannot be justified in the name of 'free exchange of ideas' when the idea itself is based on a falsehood,” Cooper concluded.

On Wednesday, Zuckerberg gave an interview and said Facebook would not remove posts that denied the Holocaust

"I think there are things that different people get wrong. I don’t think that they’re intentionally getting it wrong," said Zuckerberg who also stated that he found Holocaust denial to be offensive.

Zuckerberg was raised as a Reform Jew and his family came to the US from Germany, Austria and Poland.


https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Zuckerbe ... ter-562911

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby TimeTraveler » 3 weeks 6 days ago (Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:48 pm)

Mark is probably just doing this so the ADL can make a shit list of holocaust deniers on the Internet. Then they'll come after them all.

That or he's trying to play the whole "oh holocaust deniers don't really know what their talking about their just the typical weirdo conspiracy nuts nothing they say is valid" to get the masses to ridicule it like with the moon landing and flat earth stuff. That's what this sounds like to me.

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby Hannover » 3 weeks 6 days ago (Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:43 pm)

Wiesenthal Center's Rabbi Abraham Cooper said:

“Mark Zuckerberg is wrong. Holocaust deniers only come in two flavors-- those who don’t want to believe there was an Auschwitz and those who want to finish the job, like Iran,” said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, the Wiesenthal Center’s Associate Dean and Director of Global Social Action.

“Holocaust denial is the quintessential ‘fake news’. The Nazi Holocaust is the most documented atrocity in history, allowing the canard of Holocaust denial to be posted on Facebook, or any other social media platform cannot be justified in the name of 'free exchange of ideas' when the idea itself is based on a falsehood,” Cooper concluded.

Talk about lying, deranged Rabbi Cooper stinks of it.

- No one doubts that "there was an Auschwitz", but there is zero proof that it was an "extermination camp", it's not even a debate about the facts anymore. Revisionists have simply routed the Zionist lairs ... with ease. It's a PR game now.

- "Finish" what "job"? There was never an attempt in the first place to, as the lying Zionist propaganda goes, 'kill every jew that the Germans could get their hands on'.

- "Iran"? Yep, another country Israel demands that the US spends it's taxpayers money and shed it's citizens blood in attacking .... because 'that shitty little country' insists upon it.

- So "documented" that there are European laws against free speech shielding the laughable & impossible 'holocaust' story. *

- So "documented" that violent Zionists like Rabbi Cooper demand that social media like Facebook censor free speech about it.

- What "falsehood"?

Rabbi Cooper is the quintessential dangerous Zionist liar, a true scumbag. Pardon my French.

- Hannover

* Below is where free speech on the impossible 'holocaust' storyline is illegal, violators go to prison for Thought Crimes.
An obvious admission that the storyline doesn't stand up to scientific, logical, & rational scrutiny.

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Re: Facebook will not ban Holocaust denial

Postby phdnm » 3 weeks 6 days ago (Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:16 pm)

Hannover wrote:Rabbi Cooper is the quintessential dangerous Zionist liar, a true scumbag. Pardon my French.

- Hannover


Absolutely, that's the rabbi:

Holocaust deniers spread their lies in Mideast

By Abraham Cooper and Harold Brackman

Many countries are concerned about the resurgence of Nazism and have made it a crime to defame the memory of the dead. Americans may not agree with these laws on free-speech grounds, but we all can applaud last year's declaration of the Stockholm International Forum on the Holocaust, which encourages all European states to include the study of the Holocaust "in all its dimensions" in the curriculums of their schools.


Sustenance for haters

Such denial or dismissal of the Holocaust is devastating for the forces of moderation and reconciliation in the Middle East.

Haters are counting on society's collective lapsed memory to whitewash the crimes of the past and rehabilitate Hitler's legacy. Holocaust deniers, whatever their nationality or religion, are trying to complete the work of SS storm troopers who, according to Holocaust survivor Primo Levi, taunted death-camp inmates: "However this war may end, we have won the war against you; none of you will be left to bear witness; but even if someone were to survive, the world will not believe him."

Today's hate merchants and Holocaust deniers believe that they can reinvent history. Our obligation is to reject their "big lies" because, as philosopher George Santayana warned, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Rabbi Abraham Cooper is associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Harold Brackman is consultant on intergroup relations for the Museum of Tolerance.


http://www.islam-radio.net/revisionism/ ... today.html


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