Where was Hitler going to put the Jews?

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Where was Hitler going to put the Jews?

Postby David » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:06 am)

Not only did Hitler uproot them from their homes in Germany but in other countries as well. Evidence of a plan to provide a homeland is invited.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:55 am)

Madagascar was envisioned until the war made that impractical. Africa was discussed, as well as Siberia, and ofcourse, Palestine. Read on.
However the Schlegelberger document made it clear that the issue would be settled after the war:

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translation:
"Mr Reich Minister Lammers informed me that the Führer had repeatedly declared to him that he wants to hear that the Solution of the Jewish Problem has been postponed until after the war is over. That being so, the current discussions are of purely theoretical value, in Mr Reich Minister Lammers' opinion. He will moreover take pains to ensure that, whatever else happens, no fundamental decisions are taken without his knowledge in consequence of a surprise briefing by any third party."


Note that at a HQ dinner July 24, 1942 Hitler said he will tackle Jewish problem ...

"nach Beendigung des Krieges" (after the war's over)

The 'Luther Memo' confirms the contents of the Schlegelberger document.
see:
http://www.codoh.com/viewpoints/vppgluther.html

The Luther Memo is a document that provides a summary of German Jewish population policies as of August, 1942. It references, by enclosure, about a dozen other documents, including the July 1941 Goering letter and the Wannsee Conference minutes, and provides a connected narrative to that point.

It does not describe extermination, but rather ghettoization in the East and labor utilization. It describes the nature of what the official German policy actually was. Exterminationists reference it usually by claiming that is is all "code words" ...laughable.

It was introduced, along with the other documents, during Military Tribunal IV, Case 11 (NMT 11). AKA U.S. vs. Weizaecker (Ministries, or Wilhelmstrasse, Case). This was the last, or second to last NMT trial, and the documentation provided for this trial represented the "last chance" at the story by the American prosecutors. Therefore it is a goldmine of information.

courtesy of Revisionist 'Snafu':

Years later, in private conversation, Hitler also said this.
Afternoon, 29/5 1942, Berlin:
(I'll represent the entire context, as it gives samples of Hitler's recurrent preoccupation with jews as well as the relaxed character of a typically antisemitic tabletalk (there is no language in code utilized here!).
"At supper the chief mentioned that the jewish police in the ghettos , according to the reports he had been recieving, cut in on their fellow-believers with methods that the police among us wouldn't have dared using against our party members even during the worst era of the struggle. Therein came the entire rawness of the jewish character to rich expression.
Moreover, it was interesting to note that even so called highly educated jews, like doctors, lawyers and so forth, who had long served in west-European cities, already after a mere 14 days in ghetto had become entirely ghettoizised and ran around in caftans and the like. One could hardly imagine a better proof that in the end, the jew was an Asian and not a European.
Entire western Europe must therefore, after a certain time, become totally freed of Jews ("Judenfrei"). This was necessary already because there would always be a certain percentage of fanatics among the jews who again tries to put jewry back on its feet. Therefore it was neither recommendable trying to get rid of the jews by sending them to Siberia, as their resistence to any climate would only make them particularly hardened there. It was much more sensible to - as the arabs didn't want them in Palestine - to transport them to Africa, thereby exposing them to a climate that effected every man with our resistence in a negative way, whereby it would become impossible for the jews to make any encrouchment on areas of interest to European people."

comments from 'Snafu':
The reports he had received is perhaps the periodical "Meldung aus dem Reich" put together by the SD.
Now, why is Hitler talking about sending the Jews to Africa when the alleged gas chambers in Belzec and Sobibor were supposedly operational for several months and Treblinka is just about to start up (July 1942)?
What is this Siberia thing and how come is it mentioned in relation to a supposed 'codeword' for exterminationalist policies: "Judenfrei"?

Also, please observe that this transcript is taken from secret notes made during an informal dinnerparty with Hitler's closest associates and not a huge rally where symbolic language and inflammatory outburts would be the natural elements. It is also much closer in time, in fact contemporary to the events of the holocaust.
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(Please note that the above is a Swedish translation to English from the German original, "Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier" (1963). I also had the original myself under the title "Monologue im Führerhauptquartier"


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Postby Trojan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:18 pm)

How could Madagascar ever be a serious consideration? It was never a German held territory. It was Vichy controled. Did the Germans ever discuss this plan with Vichy?

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Postby kk » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:05 pm)

Why were the russian borders with China a serious consideration a few years
before?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:00 am)

And here you have it.

The following letter was written by Franz Rademacher in February of 1942. It's important for its clarity regarding the Nazi "final solution" of the Jewish question.

Judeo-supremacist and Allied propaganda has fraudulently enforced a sinister definition of the term "final solution".

In this document a number of points are made perfectly clear:

- The "final solution" was to be a plan for deportation to the island of Madagascar.
- Gruppenführer Heydrich was ordered by Hitler to carry out the "final solution."
- Due to the war with the Soviet Union, the "final solution" was redefined from deportations to Madagascar to deportations to the east.

From Franz Rademacher, Head of AA Referat D III (Jewish Affairs), to Harold Bielfeld, Head of AA Pol. X (Africa and Colonial Affairs), February 10, 1942:
In August 1940 I gave you for your files the plan for the final solution of the Jewish Problem, drafted by my office, for which purpose the Madagascar Island was to be demanded from France in the Peace Treaty, while the Reich Security Main Office was to be charged with the actual execution of the task.

In accordance with the plan, Gruppenführer Heydrich has been ordered by the Führer to carry out the solution of the Jewish Problem in Europe. In the meantime the war against the Soviet Union has offered the possibility of putting other territories at our disposal for the final solution.

The Führer accordingly has decided that the Jews shall not be deported to Madagascar but to the East. Therefore it is no longer necessary that Madagascar be taken into consideration for the final solution.

Source:
Akten zur Deutschen Auswärtigen Politik 1918-1945, Series E, vol. I, p. 403. Herbert A. Strauss, General Editor, "Jewish Immigrants of the Nazi Period in the USA" Vol. 4 - Jewish Emigration from Germany 1933-1942: A Documentary History


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