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Train records to and from Auschwitz

Postby David » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:41 am)

Evidence/documents invited showing Nazi train records indicating the number of Jews and/or trains carrying Jews entering and leaving Auschwitz.

If millions did not die at Auschwitz, revisionists need to show that a million Jews were not sent to Auschwitz in the first place. If millions were transported to Auschwitz, revisionists must demonstrate more trips full of Jews leaving Auschwitz than arriving. Conversely, if millions died at Auschwitz, there should be an extremely high number of trips to Auschwitz and fewer leaving the camp.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:13 am)

Since there is no evidence of the claimed gas chambers, this is a futile point.

However, J. Graf handles this here:
'What Happened to the Jews who were Deported to Auschwitz
but were not Registered There?'
http://www.russgranata.com/Orange-eng.html

Then where are the train records that indicate the transporting of the required coke amounts that was used in the crematoria to make Jews' remains magically disappear?. With the records that are known and the number alleged, we have cremations of bodies that work out to 3.5kg of coke per corpse...laughable and utterly impossible. Got train records for more coke shipments?

The question remains, where is the evidence that 12,000 Jews were gassed everyday at Auschwitz?

also, courtesy of Marty:
Of the trains arriving, each brought an average of 1.000 victims. The journey usually took four(?) days because war materiel and troops had priority clearance on the rails, resulting in frequent and lengthy sidelining and layovers.
12 trains unloading each day in the east, at Auschwitz.
12 trains loading in the west, four days away.
12 trains heading east, one day away.
12 trains heading west, one day away.
24 trains, in both directions, two days away.
24 trains, in both directions, three days away.
96 trains chugging away, without orders, with no plan and no financing; an efficient bureaucracy running amok!
Are we expected to believe this Dantean Inferno, when Germany was engaged in a life-or-death struggle that they were losing?
No doubt the Germans ran out of local firewood rather quickly: so we must factor in the numerous trains hauling the firewood necessary to burn the bodies in pits almost full of water, because the time period in which the Germans are said to have been exterminating the Hungarian Jews falls well within the rainy season at Auschwitz.


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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:43 am)

also:
If there are train records of Jews going to Auschwitz, there must necessarily have been records of the trains leaving Auschwitz, Jews or no Jews. Are we to believe these trains stayed at Auschwitz, are we to be believe the evil Germans destroyed the trains?

So indeed, where are the records of trains leaving Auschwitz?

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Postby holographic » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:06 am)

Excellent points Hannover!! Poor question David.,

Please bare with me as I quote Walter Issacson and Evan Thomas;

"In June of 1944, when accounts from the first escapees of the Nazi prison camps began to reveal the full horror of the Holocaust, Jewish leaders in England and America begged the Allies to bomb the gas chambers and crematoria at Auschwitz in the hope that it would slow the grisly genocide. Attacks on Auschwitz would be of "doubtful efficacy", they said, and would divert forces from attacking important industrial targets."
- The Wise Men, Six Friends And The World They Made, p.200

Important industrial targets indeed!!!!!!!!

Michael R. Marrus in 'The Holocaust in History' insists on the figure of 12,000 (there's some Kabbalah in there somewhere!) as a typical number of Jews cremated per day in Auschwitz. p.81, p.161, p.175

Assuming a full 24 hr. run of the ovens (impossible) = 500/hr. 8.333/min.
An average of 80 lbs. of "coke" required per person = 960,000 lbs./day that's 480 tonnes per day!!!!! SHOW ME THE COKE!!!!!!!!

Sounds like an important industrial target to me!!!!!

According to Vrba, the outside of Aushwitz resembled a "country club".
No complex shunting of prisoners and coke trains. Then again, Vrba probably only saw the "Aryan" side of Auschwitz. Serene, content.... 'is gut, ya?' :(

"Weissmandel urged the bombardment of the railway lines leading to the camp, in order to interrupt the deportations. Similar demands followed, including a plea from Zionist leaders Chaim Weizmann and Moshe Shertok (Sharett) in London, Nahum Goldmann of the World Jewish Congress in Washington, and Yizhak Gruenbaum, head of the Jewish Agency's rescue committee in Palestine."
- The Holocaust in History, p.192

Seems that no one was begging for a bombing of the IMPORTATIONS of the coke lines. They could have killed two birds with one stone, stopping the 'holocaust', and inhibiting the Germans access to a precious source of fuel.

"It was the Red Army that liberated the death camps :oops: in Poland, of course, and soldiers of a Soviet Ukranian division who first entered Auschwitz in January 1945. In stark contrast to the "BLAZE OF PUBLICITY"
(keep that phrase in the back of your mind for me) that accompianied the grisly discovery in the West, the Soviets then imposed THEIR HABITUAL SECRECY." (emphasis MINE!)
- ibid., p.175

Hint to David - why dont you ask some old Communists what really happened?

Let's return to our infamous :lol: "BLAZE OF PUBLICITY" :lol: (of a Communist secret no less!!!)

"It is well to remember how RECENT is the beginning of professional study
of the Holocaust and HOW SHORT A PERIOD OF TIME THE ENTERPRISE HAS HAD TO ESTABLISH ITSELF. Up to the time of the Eichmann trial in Jerusalem in 1961, there was relatively LITTLE DISCUSSION of the massacre of European Jewry.
- ibid., p.4 intro.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:01 am)

David comes up with yet another request for the defense to show something didn't happen instead of the prosecution showing something happened:




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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:41 pm Post subject: Train records to and from Auschwitz

Evidence/documents invited showing Nazi train records indicating the number of Jews and/or trains carrying Jews entering and leaving Auschwitz.

"If millions did not die at Auschwitz, revisionists need to show that a million Jews were not sent to Auschwitz in the first place. If millions were transported to Auschwitz, revisionists must demonstrate more trips full of Jews leaving Auschwitz than arriving. Conversely, if millions died at Auschwitz, there should be an extremely high number of trips to Auschwitz and fewer leaving the camp."


It would be the prosecution's (David's) burden to show there were sufficient trains loaded with Jews going to the camps.

No doubt we might find somewhere in the Holocaust package some records. We have no ready way to determine if any of the documents used were forgeries. It doesn't matter. As Hannover points out if the technical aspect of the Holocaust story can't stand up then we can assume whatever else they have is phony.

Like if the Holocaust community can come up with thousands and thousands of records/documents that record thousands of trains going to the camps and then we have all the tales about mass gassing and cremation that can' t stand the test of technical critique then we can assume the train records are forgeries.

Or say someone writes us a tale that for the first 500 pages tells us something plausible and the last page tells the culmination resulted in something that defies the laws of physics/god then we can assume the first 500 pages are fabrications.


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