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Re: THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX

Postby Hektor » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:05 am)

Crystal wrote:.....
It's obvious that the ponds are very deep. And I"m not saying that the remains were magically lost. I'm sure the Nazis put a thick layer of soil over the remains to hide them. They wouldn't have gone through all that work to hide their crime just so someone could come along later and simply scoop up proof of mass murder.
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With other words, you speculate the evidence is not to find, because it has been hidden. That's a conspiracy theory mate.

But that doesn't help you conspiracy theorists, because now you got to prove even more things:
1. That mass murder occurred. (still)
2. That the evidence indeed has been hidden.

With your line of argument, you can prove almost anything.



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Re: THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX

Postby Crystal » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:35 am)

Hannover wrote:No we don't know "that the correct figure is the remains of 1.1 million people were buried in 4 pond graves." I have challenged you to produce the proof. Now show us your alleged remains. No dodging at this forum.


OK, let me back up a bit here. Before we get into the proof, let's be clear what the claims are for Auschwitz (I've done a bit more research).

It is claimed that about 1.5 million people died at Auschwitz:

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It is claimed that the remains of those 1.5 million people were dumped into 4 pond graves:



The locations of these ponds are known and can be seen today (though they may be dried up).

Now my question to you is, are you aware of any cliams for any other known graves at Auschwitz?

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Re: THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX

Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:09 pm)

Crystal you are relying on some of the dodgiest claims known to mankind. First you say that it is claimed that 1.5m died in Auschwitz. So it is but then up until 25 yrs ago or so it was claimed that 4m died at Auschwitz. Neither claim has been backed up with any quality of proof. If the 4m claim was wrong, and no one doubts that, then the 1.5m claim is dangling by a thread too.

The Red cross claimed that 60k-70k or so died at Auschwitz, many of which died from the typhus outbreaks there.

You also haven't responded to my comments about cremain erns being used in many camps so why were they not used at Auschwitz???
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX

Postby Lamprecht » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:58 pm)

Crystal wrote:
Hannover wrote:No we don't know "that the correct figure is the remains of 1.1 million people were buried in 4 pond graves." I have challenged you to produce the proof. Now show us your alleged remains. No dodging at this forum.


OK, let me back up a bit here. Before we get into the proof, let's be clear what the claims are for Auschwitz (I've done a bit more research).

It is claimed that about 1.5 million people died at Auschwitz:

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It is claimed that the remains of those 1.5 million people were dumped into 4 pond graves:



The locations of these ponds are known and can be seen today (though they may be dried up).

Now my question to you is, are you aware of any cliams for any other known graves at Auschwitz?


To date, nobody has proven that a single "ash pond" even exists. Reports on the ground-water level at Auschwitz suggest that they would not even have attempted to make these ponds as alleged, because it would have required them to pump the water out.

There should be enormous pits filled with burnt and unburnt remains at Auschwitz, according to your own sources. It would not be difficult to excavate these supposed "huge mass graves" in precisely known locations. In fact, they could take core samples every meter or so, and estimate the full size of the graves using these methods. Ground penetrating radars could also be used.


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To date, we have not been provided any sort of reason to believe that there are huge mass graves at the "ash ponds" of Auschwitz. It seems to be more of an excuse than anything, first you're supposed to just accept unquestioningly that over 1 million died at Auschwitz, and then accept unquestioningly the excuse provided as to why none of these are shown. And then, if you happen to live in a country where "Holocaust denial" is illegal, you can be thrown in a prison cell for suggesting that Auschwitz was just a labor camp (like 90 year old grandma Ursula Haverbeck, or master chemist Germar Rudolf). If there were enormous mass graves as alleged in precisely known locations, they could necessarily be excavated. It would take no longer than a week or two... but it never happens.




The changing Auschwitz death tolls:
Date - Official sources of information Figures

31.12.1945 French Investigation Panel on Nazi-War-Crimes 8.000.000
19.08.1998 Chief Rabbi from Poland (Süddeutsche Zeitung) 6.000.000
20.04.1978 Le Monde (French daily paper) 5.000.000
23.01.1995 Die Welt (German daily paper) 5.000.000
20.04.1989 Eugen Kogon, Der SS-Staat (famous book of a holocaust survivor, page 176) 4.500.000
31.12.1952 Der Neue Herder (Enzyclopedia, Germany) 7. edition (page 214) 4.500.000
01.10.1946 IMT-Document 008-USSR (Nuremberg Military Tribunal) 4.000.000
02.05.1997 USA-Today (daily paper USA) 4.000.000
24.11.1989 Head prosecutor Majorowsky, Wuppertal, Germany (indictment 12 Js 1037/89) 4.000.000
26.07.1990 Allgem. Jüdische Wo.Ztg. (Jewish weekly, Bonn) 4.000.000
08.10.1993 ZDF-Nachrichten (German TV) 4.000.000
25.01.1995 Wetzlarer Neue Zeitung (German daily paper) 4.000.000
01.10.1946 IMT-Document 3868-PS (Nuremberg Military Tribunal) 3.000.000
01.01.1995 Damals (official monthly magazine on history, sponsored by the Bonn government) 3.000.000
18.07.1990 The Peninsula Times (daily paper, S.Francisco, USA) 2.000.000
25.07.1990 Hamburger Abendblatt (daily paper Germany) 2.000.000
27.01.1995 Die Welt (German daily paper, quoting Chancellor Helmut Kohl. Minimum of 2 million) 2.000.000
02.05.1997 USA-Today (daily paper USA) 1.500.000
11.06.1992 Allgem. Jüdische Wo.Ztg (Jewish weekly, Bonn) 1.500.000
08.10.1993 ZDF (German TV) 1.500.000
23.01.1995 Die Welt (German daily paper) 1.500.000
01.09.1989 Le Monde (French daily paper) 1.433.000
02.02.1995 BUNTE Illustrierte (German weekly magazine) 1.400.000
22.01.1995 Welt am Sonntag (German daily, sunday edition) 1.200.000
27.01.1995 Die Welt (German daily paper) 1.100.000
27.01.1995 IfZ (Institut for Contemporary History, München, sponsored by the Bonn government) 1.000.000
31.12.1989 Pressac, Auschwitz, Technique ... (official report on Auschwitz, commissioned by the Jewish Beate Klarsfeld Foundation) 928.000
27.09.1993 Die Welt (German daily paper) 800.000
22.01.1995 Welt am Sonntag (German daily, sunday edition) 750.000
01.05.1994 Focus (German weekly magazine) 700.000
23.01.1995 Die Welt (German daily paper) 700.000
31.12.1994 Pressac, Die Krematorien ... (2nd official report on Auschwitz, commissioned by the Jewish Beate Klarsfeld Foundation) 470.000
08.01.1948 Welt im Film (British news reel, nbr. 137) 300.000
06.01.1990 Frankfurter Rundschau (German daily paper) 74.000
31.05.1994 Hoffmann, Stalins Vernichtungskrieg (Book, written by a renowned German historian, p.302 f.) 74.000
17.08.1994 Intern. Red Cross Arolsen - Department of holocaust investigations (Ref. nbr.: 10824) 66.206
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Re: THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX

Postby Moderator » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:50 pm)

Crystal:
Stop the dodging and respond to the challenges made to you. Show us your proof that these alleged enormous amounts if ash & bones actually exist. These are reasonable, rational questions.
You are being given an opportunity to respond to those that you disagree with, you should welcome that opportunity.
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