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Abiding by Jewish law, researchers find forgotten Holocaust graves without digging

Postby phdnm » 1 year 1 week ago (Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:19 am)

Abiding by Jewish law, researchers find forgotten Holocaust graves without digging

Thousands of unmarked Holocaust graves are hidden by roadsides, in forests, marshes and fields. Researchers are rushing to find them before they're disturbed by land development

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Researchers use ground-penetrating radar at area A Jewish cemetery in Rejowiec.


September 3, 2018

Agnieszka Nieradko heard there was a woman in eastern Poland who knew about a grave. She lived in a village outside Lublin. As a girl scout after the Second World War, the woman in the village was tasked with the upkeep of a grave in a forest where, according to local lore, Jewish slave labourers were executed.

Nieradko met the woman last year. As a researcher with the Rabbinical Commission for Jewish Cemeteries, Nieradko scours Poland for forgotten mass graves from the Holocaust, hoping to mark them before creeping land developments start churning up farmland and forests in small towns. And each of those towns, Nieradko said, probably has at least one mass grave.

Nieradko met the elderly woman in the village outside Lublin. The woman brought her to the forest. The grave was no longer marked, lost in the waves of communism and anti-Semitism that beset Poland shortly after the war. But the woman remembered. It was here, she told Nieradko and her team, somewhere.

The team of researchers did not dig, abiding by Jewish law — Halacha — that forbids disturbing a grave. Instead, they used ground-penetrating radar to confirm the old woman’s story. Nieradko said they believed it was a mass grave containing the remains of 12 to 16 Jewish farm labourers who were abruptly taken to the forest and killed. But it’s difficult to confirm exactly what happened to them, or who they were, since it is now a story that has filtered down through generations of families in the village. All Nieradko and her team can do is mark the spot, by tracing the edges of the grave with decorative stones and placing a plaque and a headstone (often made of wood so they can afford the process over and over). In June this year, they held a memorial in the forest in the village outside Lublin.

“We do one by one by one,” said Michael Schudrich, the chief rabbi of Poland who works with Nieradko’s research team. “If we give one more victim a grave, we’ve accomplished something.”

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A sketch showing a location of a mass war grave in the town of Krzywcza


There are likely thousands more unmarked Holocaust graves throughout Poland and eastern Europe, hidden on roadsides, or in forests or marshes or fields. It’s a modern misconception that the destruction of the Holocaust was confined to death camps. Millions of Jews are believed to have been shot and killed by Nazi mobile killing units and their local collaborators, buried in unmarked mass graves throughout of the eastern European countryside. It’s what Rev. Patrick Desbois, a Catholic priest who is one of the most prolific searchers for unmarked Jewish graves, has called the Holocaust by Bullets. People were killed outside their houses, on the outskirts of their villages, executed on marches, burned in barns, found in their hideouts and killed by grenades.

“What we know about the murders in concentration camps is only half the knowledge of what truly took place in the Holocaust,” Avi Benlolo, president and CEO of the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies in Toronto, said in an email.

“Researchers have only scratched the surface in our understanding of the perhaps millions of people who lie beneath fields and ravines whom we will never know about. They are undocumented and erased from history.”

In a paper Nieradko co-authored, released earlier this year, she details the patchwork of “non-invasive” technology used to locate the graves while respecting Jewish law and leaving the graves intact. It involves comparing aerial photographs from the Second World War era with modern ones, looking for signs of disturbed soil — a lighter-coloured patch, a stretch of bare land surrounded by growth. Ground-penetrating radar can identify the presence of remains, and judging from the volume of the grave, researchers can estimate how many people were buried there.
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A potential location of mass graves (red spots) located on the basis of the interpretation of an aerial picture from 1942/44, overplayed over current aerial photographs


But Nieradko said the most valuable resources are the witnesses — the only ones who can tell the searchers where to look. “For 70 years, the local communities have kept the memory about the fate that had befallen their Jewish neighbours,” reads the study, written by Nieradko and the other researchers she works with to identify the graves: Sebastian Rózycki, Jerzy Karczewski and Aleksander Schwarz.

In Rejowiec, a town in eastern Poland, Nieradko’s team found witness testimony of Nazi soldiers marching Jews from the ghetto to the train station, where they were to be sent to death camps. Those deemed unfit for the journey were killed along the way. “I saw it with my own eyes,” reads one witness account, recorded in 1976. “Germans shot Jews on the way to the train station and then ordered Poles to take the bodies to the local Jewish cemetery and bury them in previously prepared pits.”

In aerial photographs, the researchers noticed two disturbances in the soil: an oblong shape, eight metres wide and 30 metres long; another in an L-shape, 16 metres on the long side and 10 metres on the short side. Radar showed that the two shapes were actually mass graves, with evidence of remains more than 1.6 metres below ground.

With each new find, dotting the countryside with more and more tombstones, Nieradko said she believes her team is helping etch a permanent reminder into the landscape about what happened there. The Holocaust wasn’t just in the death camps, she said, so the memories needn’t be confined there either.

“We are living next to the graves,” Nieradko said. “They are everywhere.”


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Re: Abiding by Jewish law, researchers find forgotten Holocaust graves without digging

Postby Werd » 1 year 1 week ago (Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:08 am)

When you subvert science to religion, you are no longer a scientist and we are under no obligation to believe you.

Opening Jewish graves is in fact permitted by Jewish law. It has been done before. You just can not move the bodies. At least that is what Debois was told while he was in Ukraine. Other times, we find examples of rabbis digging up Jewish corpses and moving them to Israel. They make it up as they go along. Or rather some rabbis disagree with each other.

The Big Excuse: 'excavation & exhumation of Jews forbidden'
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"Jewish Burial Law" as excuse
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Re: Abiding by Jewish law, researchers find forgotten Holocaust graves without digging

Postby RouterAl » 1 year 1 week ago (Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:30 am)

So 70 odd years after the event they are trying to find Jewish graves. The problem with the 2 in the photo is they look clueless , who are they and do they know that GPR is very location dependant, it works well in some area's but is useless in others. Where are their traces and results. Even if there are graves there without excavation they could be anyone , German WW2 , Russian WW2, Polish, even middle ages plague victims.
You would think that finding locations of any thing up to 30k grave sites would not be difficult. It's also odd how most of the mass grave finds seem to have been NVKD executions or WW2 Germans. Just recently 1800 Germans civilian bodies were found in Marbrook , killed buy who? Poles most likely.
Everywhere they look even in the Ukraine the massive numbers of mass Jewish graves fail to materialise. When they find even one suspected site as soon as they Jews get involved they pull their famed Jewish grave no digging here routine. If you do not excavate you have no idea who , what or when the bodies were placed there.

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Re: Abiding by Jewish law, researchers find forgotten Holocaust graves without digging

Postby Hannover » 1 year 1 week ago (Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:53 pm)

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Look at the image, the red 'graves areas' are simply drawn in, proves nothing.
There is always differences in density that GPR would pick up, rocks, soil variations, clay, etc., etc..
Notice the dark area between them indicating a different density vs. the surrounding soil, yet that is not claimed to be a 'mass grave' area.
This is merely the typical underhanded attempt to claim Jew mass graves exist when they do not.

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caption: "A sketch showing a location of a mass war grave in the town of Krzywcza."

A drawing? That's it? What some Zionist wants the gullible to believe.
Two guys with shovels could settle this issue in minutes.

And IF they actually found human remains, they would need to verified:
Are the remains from the period in question?
Are they Jews.
What proof is there that the Germans are responsible?
Are they victims of the known & verified communist Soviet mass shootings, like the Katyn Massacre of Poles?

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But Nieradko said the most valuable resources are the witnesses — the only ones who can tell the searchers where to look. “For 70 years, the local communities have kept the memory about the fate that had befallen their Jewish neighbours,” reads the study, written by Nieradko and the other researchers she works with to identify the graves: Sebastian Rózycki, Jerzy Karczewski and Aleksander Schwarz.

With each new find, dotting the countryside with more and more tombstones, Nieradko said she believes her team is helping etch a permanent reminder into the landscape about what happened there. The Holocaust wasn’t just in the death camps, she said, so the memories needn’t be confined there either.

“We are living next to the graves,” Nieradko said. “They are everywhere.”
They must mean the same "witnesses" that were used to find alleged 'mass graves' as claimed in the thoroughly discredited book 'Holocaust By Bullets', which again makes claims of mass graves but NEVER shows them.

"Graves are everywhere"? LOL No they are not, or they would be actually excavating, displaying, and verifying.

The Jewish Law claim is compete BS. See links above. This farce of 'Jewish Law' is not an actual legal mandate, especially in the very Christian Poland. This is an alleged crime and the required criminal forensics demand verified physical proof, it obviously does not exist.
It IS however the Jew classic: 'We can claim anything we want, and you must obey,' excuse.
The "Holocau$t Industry" in court:
'Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are to this day, ... but, but, well, umm, we can't show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we're Zionists.'

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Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the 'holocaust' storyline is the message.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Abiding by Jewish law, researchers find forgotten Holocaust graves without digging

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 1 year 1 week ago (Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:44 pm)

A few thoughts on this:

1. Is 'Jewish Law' a legal, enforceable, code of conduct set forth by the Polish government, or the religious practices set forth within Judaism/synagogues, or both?

2. Are these alleged Jewish mass graves legally defined and protected, like American Indian reservations are legally defined and protected, or does a rabbi just go around with unlimited/unquestioned power to deem ANY land as a 'Jewish mass grave'?

3. If digging a grave is not criminal, what stops people from doing it? As PRHL said, "Nulla poena sine lege" (no penalty without a law).

4. Why does it matter for historians what a group of people think? History at it's core doesn't care about what people believe or how people will react to it. It only cares about the truth.
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Re: Abiding by Jewish law, researchers find forgotten Holocaust graves without digging

Postby TimeTraveler » 1 year 1 week ago (Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:01 pm)

So basically their now going anywhere in Eastern Europe and saying "This random spot here next to the McDonald's or next to a highway is a Jewish grave from the Holocaust" their moving it out into nowhere now so it's easier for them to make up more BS.

Hell let's say I walk out into my backyard and claim that 100 people are buried there. Then after years and years of saying that the whole neighborhood starts to believe it. If police want to investigate into it all I'll have to say is "I have special religious beliefs and all those 100 people also had my same beliefs and it'll go against my religion to actually dig for these bodies. So you are just going to have to take my word for it"

That's what their pulling. Of course the masses are just going to eat it all up.

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Re: Abiding by Jewish law, researchers find forgotten Holocaust graves without digging

Postby realitycheck » 1 year 1 week ago (Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:47 am)

With the ever diminishing "death camp" numbers, these will soon get the total back up to the mystical 6M.
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