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Claims to be taken in "winter 1942 at Skede dunes near Liepaja in Latvia". It's also claimed to be of women forced to strip by the evil Nazis before being executed.
Any pointers to relevant threads on here would be appreciated.
Say what? LOLLooks real to me.
Fake as a 3 dollar bill.
The women are pasted in as are the pile of clothes', look at soldiers awkwardly placed on the pile.
See the bottom edging around the pile, the edge of a paste job.
Why would they just be running around, unguarded if they were being executed?
And as always, why isn't the claimed known mass grave excavated?
Reminds me of this fake:
Straight from the communist fake factory, see:
Industry's Roberto Muehlenkamp claims these faked 'photos' are proof of 'holocaust'
Jews have been pushing their '6,000,000' lie since at least 1823:
http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times- ... e-1869.php
The photo Hannover posted is obviously a fake if those people were actually shot then where is all the blood?
The photo Realiycheck posted could be real but didn't the soviets dress up in German uniforms and take these types of propaganda photos?
The picture of the naked women was taken, it is claimed at Liejapa, near Tallin. In Rhodes' Master of Death he shows a series of pictures claimed to be of the same action on the same day. Certainly something appears to be happening, but what is not clear. Also not clear is the origin of the soldiers.
What I don't understand, if this is all true, is that the claimed location is in the sand dunes at the beach. The location is clearly understood and these 3000 bodies were shot into a large trench dug in these sand dunes. Thus very quick and easy to excavate. So why didn't they? Shootings did happen and usually for good reason and within the law.
I am not saying these pictures are genuine though.
'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician
'Hey girls, relax, let's stop and pose for a picture before being shot'.
Dodgy to be sure, enlarge it. The lighting on the right looks much brighter than on the left. Must have been 'Nazi-made climate change',
Two of the women have feet that do not appear to actually be on the ground. We would guess the piles of clothes tossed about are meant to look like corpses.
"Communist fake factory" indeed.
One of the women seems have a towel or dress with her.
Could this just be a picture of group going for a "forced" swim to clean themselves
as there wasn't obviously any showers nearby? There just might a shore on the right side of the picture.
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe
HeiligeSturm wrote:Could this just be a picture of group going for a "forced" swim to clean themselves
That raises the question of why someone took this picture.
Revisionists should bookmark this page and use it for future reference when presented with atrocity photos of a doubtful nature.
Mortimer wrote:This photo in question has been written about by Udo Walendy
This essay is titled "Documentary Photographs Proving the National Socialist Persecution of the Jews?" by Udo Walendy [1927-], original version published 1993; updated version apparently from circa 2003 appeared in Dissecting the Holocaust. The Growing Critique of "Truth" and "Memory" (2003). [Titled "Do Photographs Prove the NS Extermination of the Jews?" in the PDF version of Dissecting the Holocaust.] It may be based on a German-language original but I cannot find information on any translator or the German version.
The relevant passage:
The version posted in this thread in the OP does appear to be a photograph to me and not a painting.Illustration Group 16 (previous page) allegedly shows naked inmates lined up outside the gas chambers of Treblinka. From illustration 16a to c the quality sinks dramatically due to increased retouching, provided that these pictures are based on a photo. Neither the photographer nor the location is documented, and it remains a mystery how one can possibly claim that this is an execution. It could as well be that illustration 16c is the original picture, ie., a drawing or montage, and that the others were adopted from it by refining this painting.
The same goes for Group 17, purported to show naked inmates prior to mass execution in Latvia. It speaks for itself that several versions of these pictures exist. The left one especially cannot be called a photo. At the best, it is a painting based on a photo. Compare the two women in the background who appear to have been drawn in.
Where/when is it known to have first appeared?
The two versions of the photograph in Walendy's essay are captioned by Walendy as:
and in the endnotes cited as:Illustration Group 17: left, from G. Schoenberner, Der gelbe Stern, captioned "Mass execution in Lijepaja";
right, from S. Einstein, Eichmann – Chefbuchhalter des Todes.
The reference to Der gelbe Stern by G. Schoenberner is this:Ill. a): S. Einstein, op. cit. (note 43), p. 200; Ill. b): Der Spiegel No. 53/1966, p. 48; G. Schoenberner, op. cit. (note 39), p. 97; cf. U. Walendy, Bild-"Dokumente"..., op. cit. (note 4), pp. 18ff.
The reference to S. Einstein is from 1961:Originally published in 1960 in German as Der Gelbe Stern, this landmark book was one of the first comprehensive photographic accounts of the Holocaust.
So as far as I can see, Shoenberner was the first we have, publishing in 1960. Maybe someone can check that book for his source.S. Einstein, Eichmann – Chefbuchhalter des Todes, Röderberg, Frankfurt/Main 1961
And who was G. Shoenberner?Der Gelbe Stern by G. Schoenberner (1960)
German Wikipedia has this:
Gerhard Schoenberner (* 24. Mai 1931 in Neudamm, Brandenburg, heute Dębno, Polen; † 10. Dezember 2012 in Berlin) war ein deutscher Autor, Filmhistoriker und Pionier der öffentlichen Auseinandersetzung mit den Verbrechen während der Zeit des Nationalsozialismus. [...]
1956 heiratete er Mirjana (Mira) Bihaly, deren Onkel Paul Bihaly ab 1928 in Belgrad eine literarische Zeitschrift herausgegeben hatte und in dem progressiven Literatur-Verlag NOLIT die aktuelle zeitgenössische Literatur in serbischer Sprache veröffentlichte. Paul wurde 1941 verhaftet und ermordet. Mira Schoenberner war die wichtigste Mitarbeiterin bei Gerhard Schoenberners Veröffentlichungen.
Now we are getting somewhere!Gerhard Shoenberner (born May 24, 1931, in Neudamm, Brandenburg, today Debno, Poland; died Dec. 10, 2012 in Berlin) was a German author, film historian, and pioneer of the open discussion of the crimes committed during the National Socialist era. [...]
In 1956, he married Mirjana (Mira) Bihaly, whose uncle Paul Bihaly had published a literary magazine in Belgrade since 1928 and founded the progressive literature house NOLIT which publishes current literature in the Serbian language. Paul was imprisoned and murdered in 1941. Mira Schoenberner was the most important collaborator of Gerhard Schoenberner's publishing.
Who was Mira (Bihaly) Shoenberner?
She is of Serbian-Jewish origin. her father Paul Bihaly (or, Pavli Bihali) gets an entry on Serbian Wikipedia: https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavle_Bihali
It seems pretty likely to me that this Paul Bihaly (Pavle Bihali) really was killed by German security services and thus in some sense really was one of the genuine Jewish victims of the Nazis. Why do I think this: He "fits the bill" pretty perfectly: Jewish Communist, well known anti-Fascist activist; perhaps involved in subversive activities in the month between the conquest of Yugoslavia (mid-April 1941) and his arrest (mid-May 1941).Pavle Bihali ( Zemun , August 8, 1889 - Belgrade , July 17, 1941 ), a Yugoslav writer, publisher, translator and participant of the National Liberation Struggle .
Pavle Bihali was born on 8 August 1889 in Zemun. He was of Jewish origin. [....] He was a member of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia (CPY) of the 1920 year. [...] After the occupation of Yugoslavia [April 1941] and the beginning of the persecution of Jews in 1941 , he sheltered in Gornji Milanovac . As a famous cultural worker, but also a leftist and anti-fascist , Gestapo arrested him on 17 May 1941 and took him to Belgrade. He was shot on 17 July 1941 in Belgrade.
So Paul's daughter Mira held a grudge against the Germans over the unnecessary death of her father. Under influence of wife Mira (of Serbian-Jewish origin), German-Protestant Gerhard Schoenberner publishes the 1960 book in which this photograph first [?] appears.
The doesn't prove the photograph a fake, but it does show the Jewish hand in publication.
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