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Postby JackBQuick » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:13 pm)

For a specfic article that has no reason whatsoever to be biased, I'll use the Encyclopedia Britannica, regarded by many as the most reliable and accurate source of general information in the world.

Holocaust

Systematic state-sponsored killing of Jewish men, women, and children and others by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II.

The Nazis made no secret of their anti-Semitism before coming to power in 1933. Once they gained control of the government, their distaste for Jews, whom they considered subhuman, led them to adopt increasingly barbaric methods in the expanding territories under German rule. The Holocaust climaxed in the “final solution,” the attempted extermination of European Jewry. Adolf Hitler's persecution of Jews in Germany began soon after he became chancellor. Initially, the Nazis called for a boycott of Jewish businesses, and Jews were dismissed from the civil service. Under the Nürnberg Laws (1935), Jews lost their citizenship. Almost every synagogue in Germany was destroyed in the Kristallnacht pogrom in 1938, and thereafter Jews were imprisoned in concentration camps or forced into ghettos. German victories in the early years of World War II (1939–45) brought most of European Jewry under the control of the Nazis and their satellites. As German armies moved eastward into Poland, the Balkans, and the Soviet Union, special mobile killing units, the Einsatzgruppen, rounded up and killed Jews, Roma (Gypsies), and many non-Jewish Slavs; other groups targeted by the Nazis included homosexuals, the mentally retarded, physically disabled, and emotionally disturbed. After the Wannsee Conference (1942), Jews from all over occupied Europe were systematically evacuated to concentration and extermination camps, where they were either killed or forced into slave labour. Underground resistance movements were active in several countries, and Jewish risings took place against overwhelming odds in the ghettos of Poland (see Warsaw Ghetto Uprising). Individuals such as Raoul Wallenberg saved thousands by their efforts; whether the Allied governments and the Vatican could have done more to aid Jews has long been a matter of controversy. By the end of the war, an estimated six million Jews and millions of others had been killed by Nazi Germany and its collaborators.


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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:59 pm)

Why do you feel they are not biased?
Who supplied the information in the quote?

The content of their quote is patently absurd and unsupportable in the face of Revisionist research. Fact checking apparently is not Britannica's strength. Or is it just the 'holocau$t' story that has went unverified?
Biased? You bet.

You are welcomed to post anything you consider to be evidence and we'll talk.

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Postby JackBQuick » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:32 pm)

The Encyclopedia Britannica was founded in the 18th century (that's the 1700s). It is the "oldest continuously published reference work in the English language."

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:52 pm)

So what? Undoubtedly there are many things in those editions which we now know are false.

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Re: Encyclopedia Britannica

Postby Juan » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:29 pm)

Holocaust

Systematic state-sponsored killing of Jewish men, women, and children and others by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II.


That's the standard post 1978 definition; before that year, I believe that the "holocaust" was understood as the victimization of GErman civilians under allied firebombings.

The Nazis made no secret of their anti-Semitism before coming to power in 1933.


Quite original! just like the rest of western and eastern Europe!


Once they gained control of the government, their distaste for Jews, whom they considered subhuman, led them to adopt increasingly barbaric methods in the expanding territories under German rule.


Subhuman, that's too much. They were considered dangerous aliens.

Barbaric, like putting them into working camps, that's enough barbarism to me.


The Holocaust climaxed in the “final solution,” the attempted extermination of European Jewry.


Non quite. It has been demonstrated that the Endloesung was erradication, uprooting, expulsion, emigration encouragement, etc. "get out!"

Adolf Hitler's persecution of Jews in Germany began soon after he became chancellor.


Could somebody clarify this?


Initially, the Nazis called for a boycott of Jewish businesses, and Jews were dismissed from the civil service. Under the Nürnberg Laws (1935), Jews lost their citizenship.


Quite a lot didn't have it, by the way. And a lot of jews of proven loyalty to the Reich remained, even among the high command of the German armed Forces.

Almost every synagogue in Germany was destroyed in the Kristallnacht pogrom in 1938,


That's a lie. And I could call this event more like a "riot".

and thereafter Jews were imprisoned in concentration camps or forced into ghettos.


During the war, that is.

German victories in the early years of World War II (1939–45) brought most of European Jewry under the control of the Nazis and their satellites.


The impressive sum of 3.5 million.

As German armies moved eastward into Poland, the Balkans, and the Soviet Union, special mobile killing units, the Einsatzgruppen, rounded up and killed Jews, Roma (Gypsies), and many non-Jewish Slavs;


"Counter-insurgency" units, now called "counter-terrorist", would be more appropriate. Yes, they killed a lot of partisans, saboteurs, their collaborators, and many innocents as well, not a nice war.

other groups targeted by the Nazis included homosexuals, the mentally retarded, physically disabled, and emotionally disturbed.


Again I need some reference about this (euthanasia). I think the gay stuff is an urban legend.

Anyway, what has this to do with the "holocaust"?

After the Wannsee Conference (1942), Jews from all over occupied Europe were systematically evacuated to concentration and extermination camps, where they were either killed or forced into slave labour.


Labour yes, killed, not quite. Unless you start to number a lot of unfortunate crimes, commited both by the Kapos and by guards (camp guards weren't the best germans around; the best were assigned to the front lines). I believe that a lot of germans were judged, even executed because of mistreatment of interns and murder. I'd like to see that attitude from American Military!!!


Underground resistance movements were active in several countries, and Jewish risings took place against overwhelming odds in the ghettos of Poland (see Warsaw Ghetto Uprising).


What this episode has to do with the "holocaust"? They started an uprising, rightfully so. They were defeated, but no "Jenin-like" massacre. Quite fair, IMHO.

Individuals such as Raoul Wallenberg saved thousands by their efforts;


BUT:

whether the Allied governments and the Vatican could have done more to aid Jews has long been a matter of controversy.


Here E. B. shows their true colors: the fact being, the Catholic Church hid more jews than all european countries combined. That led the chief rabbi of Rome to convert to the Catholic faith. More evidence?

The Pope didn't do anything more, the allies didn't do anything more, because they knew that the extermination rumours were just that. Rumours and propaganda.

Christian (and specially Vatican) smearing, so typical of zionist scum.

By the end of the war, an estimated six million Jews and millions of others had been killed by Nazi Germany and its collaborators.


Yadda, Yadda... The rethorical millions, without a previous study.

I'd like to see the list of names and certificates of birth, the body count. The writing will support anything.

Like the thousands at Guernica (30.000), duplicated at Rotterdam (30.000 again), 6 million it's a number always first in mind to the commies and jews. Far back in 1919, "6 million jews" needed a lot of money to be saved from extintion. Now it's all about the same, money. And power.

WHta do YOU think now, about the credibility of E.B.?

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Postby holographic » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:59 pm)

"In most parts of Germany...even where the NSDAP did proportionately well at the polls, there was little history of outright hostility towards the Jews going beyond latent prejudice, and ANTI-SEMITISM WAS NOT USUALLY A PARTICULARLY STRIKING FEATURE OF :twisted: NAZI PROPAGANDA." :twisted:

- Ian Kershaw "Ideology, Propaganda, and the Rise of the Nazi Party," in Peter D. Stachura, ed., The Nazi Machtergriefung (London, 1983), 168.

"Compared to Russia or Rumania, where Jews suffered extreme poverty, intense popular hostility, and public discrimination, Germany was 'Rechsstaat'. according fundamental legal rights to Jews."

- Michael R. Marrus "The Holocaust in History", p.9, citing Jehuda Reinharz, Fatherland or Promised Land: The Dilemma of the German Jew, 1893-1914 (Ann Arbor, Mich. 1975),esp. ch. 1

"Neither Goebbels, Himmler, Goring, Frank, Hess, the Strasser brothers, nor even Adolf Eichmann seems to have joined the Nazis because of anti-semitism."

- ibid., p.11, See Eva Reichman, "Diskussion uber die Judenfrage, 1930-1932," in Werner Mosse, ed., Enscheidungsjahre 1932: Zur Judenfrage in der Endphase der Weimarer Republik (Tubingen, 1965), 503-34; idem, Hostages of Civilisation: The Social Sources of National Socialist Anit-Semitism (Boston 1951); Martin Needler, "Hitler's Anti-Semitism: A Political Appraisal," Public Opinion Quarterly 24 (1960), 665-69; Donald Niewyk, The Jews in Weimar Germany (Baton Rouge, La., 1980); Mosse, Crisis of German Ideology.

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Postby JackBQuick » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:28 pm)

wow Juan you corrected alot of questions I had with your post!
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Postby FW » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:14 pm)

Britannica is an encyclopaedia and as such is written by a large body of contributors who are specialists in their area. Britannica have obviously approached a leading "holocaust historian" (the name will be somewhere) and they have written the entry. So what.

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James Joyce

Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:09 am)

Holocaust

Systematic state-sponsored killing of Jewish men, women, and children and others by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II.


James Joyce book "Ulysses" deals on June 16, 1904 in Dublin. On June 15, 1904 the ship "General Slocum" burned and sunk in the Hudson river near New York with more than thousand deaths (mostly German immigrants). The story of Joyce talks a lot about that accident - citing newspapers and discussions etc. On page 256 in the German translation the Jewish heroe talks about a "Brandopfer", in the original English version of the book he says: "Holocaust!"

Literature has a long memory.


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