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Johann Rehbogen, Nazi death camp guard on trial

Postby borjastick » 6 days 16 hours ago (Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:58 am)

I've said it before and sadly will probably say it again. Here we go again... This time with a nice old man called Johann Rehbogen
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This from Britain's Daily Mail online - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rmany.html

Nazi death camp guard, 94, goes on trial for accessory to murder at Stutthof where prisoners were executed with an injection of gasoline to the heart


and then this -
The trial of a 94-year-old former SS soldier who served as a Nazi concentration camp guard during World War II has begun in Germany.

Johann Rehbogen worked as a guard at Stutthof, a death camp east of modern-day Gdansk in Poland, from June 1942 to the beginning of September 1944.

Rehbogen has been charged with being an accessory to some of the 60,000 people who were brutally murdered by the Nazi regime at at Stutthof


This is the usual trial by numbers and guilt by association where the trial will yield very little, if any, truth and evidence. No bodies will be unearthed, no proof of any wrong doing will be shown to the world. Why? because they don't have it and they don't need it. This poor chap is guilty simply because he was there.

As usual the usual suspects of lies and deceit are behind this action these being the German state and the nasty and aggressive zionist state manifested through The Simon Wiesenthal Institute.


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Re: Johann Rehbogen, Nazi death camp guard on trial

Postby ginger » 6 days 14 hours ago (Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:05 am)

I read this in Deutsche Welle this morning - they took down their comment board so I could not reply and try to shame Germany for its Soviet-style show trials. This is the way certain political forces continue to remind the public of the horrors of the Holocaust, much of which was never adequately proved to begin with.

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Johann Rehbogen Breaks Down in Court

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 6 days 6 hours ago (Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:33 pm)

According to https://www.thelocal.de/20181106/german ... t-of-trial

A former SS guard aged 94 broke down in tears Tuesday as he listened to accounts of Holocaust survivors, on the first day of his trial in Germany charged with complicity in mass murder at a Nazi concentration camp during World War II.
The German man from the western district of Borken, North Rhine-Westphalia state, served as a guard from June 1942 to September 1944 at the Stutthof camp near what was then Danzig, now Gdansk in Poland.

He was not publicly named but German media identified him as Johann R., a retired landscape architect and divorced father of three.

Dressed in a wool suit with a green hat, he entered the regional court of Münster in a wheelchair, with a walking stick in hand, facing charges of being an accessory to the murders of several hundred camp prisoners.

These included more than 100 Polish prisoners gassed in June 1944 and "probably several hundred" Jews killed from August to December 1944 as part of the Nazis' so-called "Final Solution".

Initially composed, there were unbelievable scenes when the defendant started weeping as the court heard written testimony from Holocaust survivors who now live in the United States or Israel, read out by their lawyers.

Marga Griesbach recalled, according to DPA, how she saw her six-year-old brother for the last time in the camp before he was sent to Auschwitz where he died in the gas chambers.

Another survivor and co-plaintiff, a woman from the US state of Indianapolis, charged that the defendant "helped to murder my beloved mother, whom I have missed my entire life".

'Gassed, shot, left to die'

Aged 18 to 20 at the time, and therefore now being tried under juvenile law, the defendant is "accused in his capacity as a guard of participating in the killing operations," Dortmund prosecutor Andreas Brendel told AFP

"Many people were gassed, shot or left to die of hunger," he added, stressing that the guards "knew about the killing methods".

But when interrogated by police in August 2017, the accused insisted he knew nothing about the atrocities in the camp, Die Welt daily reported.

Asked why the camp detainees were so thin, he reportedly said that food was so scarce for everyone that, figuratively speaking, two soldiers could fit into one uniform.

Stutthof was set up in 1939 and would end up holding 110,000 detainees, 65,000 of whom perished, according to the Museum Stutthof.

Each court hearing will likely last for a maximum of two hours due to the defendant's advanced age -- even though, prosecutor Brendel said, "mentally, he is still fit".

The defendant was planning to make a statement during the course of the trial, his lawyer told DPA.

If found guilty, he faces a sentence of up to 15 years in prison -- even though, given his age and the possibility of an appeal, he is considered unlikely to serve any time behind bars.

Brendel noted that German law has no statute of limitations on murder and pointed to the moral imperative to pursue the case.

"Germany owes it to the families and victims to prosecute these Nazi crimes even today," he said.

"That is a legal and moral question."

'No exceptions'

Germany has been racing to put on trial surviving SS personnel, after the legal basis for prosecuting former Nazis changed in 2011 with the landmark conviction of former death camp guard John Demjanjuk.

He was sentenced not for any atrocities he committed, but on the basis that he was a cog in the Nazi killing machine by serving at the Sobibor camp in occupied Poland.

German courts subsequently convicted Oskar Gröning, an accountant at Auschwitz, and Reinhold Hanning, a former SS guard at the same camp, for mass murder.

However both men, convicted at age 94, died before they could be imprisoned.

Prosecutors have also filed charges against another former SS guard at Stutthof, a 93-year-old from the city of Wuppertal. It remains to be determined if he is fit to stand trial.

Historian Peter Schöttler highlighted "an important humanitarian and legal reason" to push on with the justice process, stressing that "the rule of law should not allow for exceptions".

Griesbach, in her testimony, said that "I don't harbour hatred or rage in my heart".

Rather, she said her main concern was remembrance of the crimes at a time when Holocaust deniers are being heard again, including in her country the United States.


I'm not sure why he would break down for crimes which he didn't commit.

It's possible he believes it happened after years of living in the United States.

It's possible that he has a gun to his head, and that he is being told to present a strong reaction.

Or he is just sad that people actually believe this.

More on Stutthof here:

https://codoh.com/library/document/1646/?lang=en

https://codoh.com/library/document/2701/?lang=en
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Re: Johann Rehbogen, Nazi death camp guard on trial

Postby Hektor » 6 days 6 hours ago (Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:50 pm)

borjastick wrote:.....
This is the usual trial by numbers and guilt by association where the trial will yield very little, if any, truth and evidence. No bodies will be unearthed, no proof of any wrong doing will be shown to the world. Why? because they don't have it and they don't need it. This poor chap is guilty simply because he was there.

As usual the usual suspects of lies and deceit are behind this action these being the German state and the nasty and aggressive zionist state manifested through The Simon Wiesenthal Institute.



Indeed, the usual trial without evidence or even testimony that is remotely relevant:
There is no evidence linking him to a specific crime, but more than 60,000 people were killed at Stutthof and prosecutors argue that as a guard, he was an accessory to at least hundreds of those deaths.
https://www.euronews.com/2018/11/06/for ... rt-n931916


Johann Rehbogen denies the Holocaust, almost at least:
He does not deny serving in the camp during the Second World War but has said he had nothing to do with the killings and did not know they were taking place, Mr Brendel said.
https://news.sky.com/story/johann-rehbo ... p-11546199


I wonder, if this can be turned into a fiasko for the Holocaust lobby. PM me with ideas.

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Re: Johann Rehbogen Breaks Down in Court

Postby Hektor » 6 days 5 hours ago (Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:27 pm)

He was not publicly named but German media identified him as Johann R., a retired landscape architect and divorced father of three.


I looked it up virtually no German articles mentioning the full name, Johann Rehbogen, while the foreign press is full of it. Yes, that's right, every mainline media outlet, seems to have an article on it.

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Re: Johann Rehbogen Breaks Down in Court

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 6 days 5 hours ago (Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:46 pm)

Hektor wrote:I looked it up virtually no German articles mentioning the full name, Johann Rehbogen, while the foreign press is full of it. Yes, that's right, every mainline media outlet, seems to have an article on it.


Wow, thanks for the insight,. Of course, this raises the question, "Why would they lie through their teeth about this"? It doesn't benefit them the way Shoah business does. After all, there's no business like Shoah business!
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Re: Johann Rehbogen Breaks Down in Court

Postby stinky » 6 days 3 hours ago (Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:46 pm)

Aged 18 to 20 at the time, and therefore now being tried under juvenile law, the defendant is "accused in his capacity as a guard of participating in the killing operations," Dortmund prosecutor Andreas Brendel told AFP

"Many people were gassed, shot or left to die of hunger," he added, stressing that the guards "knew about the killing methods".


But when interrogated by police in August 2017, the accused insisted he knew nothing about the atrocities in the camp, Die Welt daily reported.


Despite Rehbogen's claims, because the gassings "happened", this man has no chance in court.
No need for verifiable evidence.
"Survivor's" & "witnesses" can phone in from Tel Aviv with the "facts"

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Re: Johann Rehbogen Breaks Down in Court

Postby Hektor » 6 days 3 hours ago (Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:02 pm)

stinky wrote:
But when interrogated by police in August 2017, the accused insisted he knew nothing about the atrocities in the camp, Die Welt daily reported.


This statement is telling.

Between his interrogation & court Rehbogen may have been "persuaded" to change his story


It gets even better:
Als die LKA-Beamten Johann R. im August 2017 vernahmen, konfrontierten sie ihn mit Aussagen anderer ehemaliger SS-Angehöriger über Gräueltaten, die während seiner Dienstzeit im Lager passierten. Vergasungen, Erschießungen, Schläge – weiß ich nicht, ist mir nicht bekannt, sagt mir nichts, wiederholte er immer wieder.

An einem Punkt wollte er den Namen eines SS-Unterscharführers nennen, der für die Diensteinteilung der Wachmannschaft zuständig war. Der Name fiel ihm nicht ein, er griff zu einem Buch mit dem Titel „Das Konzentrationslager Stutthof“ von Jürgen Graf und Carlo Mattogno, wie die Beamten protokollierten.

Was die Beamten damals nicht wussten: Graf ist ein Holocaust-Leugner aus der Schweiz, der einschlägige Bücher geschrieben hat, mehrfach verurteilt wurde und in Russland lebt. Johann R., ein Mittäter des Holocausts, suchte offenbar seine Rolle im Verhör kleinzureden, in dem er ausgerechnet das Buch eine Holocaust-Leugners zu Hilfe nahm.

„Warum waren die Häftlinge so abgemagert?“, fragten die Beamten Johann R. bei ihrem Besuch. Dieser antwortete darauf nur: „Sie hätten mal sehen sollen, wie die Wachmänner ausgesehen haben. Die Nahrung war knapp und wir haben zu zweit in eine Uniform gepasst.“
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https://web.archive.org/web/20181106140 ... nnten.html

Short translation:
- He disputes knowledge about atrocities allegedly from statements of former SS-Men.
- Johann Rehbogen cites a book by Revisionists Juergen Graf and Carlo Mattogno (Concentration Camp Stutthof) / https://archive.org/details/ConcentrationCampStutthof
- They make fuss about Graf being a "Holocaust Denier".
- He says that food was scarce. Even for the guards.

I hope some of the readers will find the book on the internet using the relevant keywords given in the 'Welt' article.

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Re: Johann Rehbogen Breaks Down in Court

Postby Breker » 6 days 39 minutes ago (Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:37 pm)

- Johann Rehbogen cites a book by Revisionists Juergen Graf and Carlo Mattogno (Concentration Camp Stutthof) / https://archive.org/details/ConcentrationCampStutthof

Good heavens, so fabulous!
What we're seeing is revisionist research being introduced as evidence.
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Re: Johann Rehbogen Breaks Down in Court

Postby Mortimer » 5 days 23 hours ago (Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:34 am)

Peter Winter has written about this case on his blog. He is the author of The Six Million - Fact or Fiction ? He states that there was a disinfection chamber at Stutthof and this is being referred to as a "gas chamber".

https://peterwinterwriting.blogspot.com ... l-for.html
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Re: Johann Rehbogen, Nazi death camp guard on trial

Postby ginger » 5 days 14 hours ago (Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:14 am)

Also from Deutsche Welle: repeating the history of Auschwitz in an April 2018 article, they claim: 4,756 corpses could be cremated in 24 hours. This would be impossible - they would need 400 cremation ovens to do this, not 40, which is about the number of ovens they had at the time.

Deutsche Welle reports on the Holocaust, its survivors, the Nazis, just about every day - but the comment board is gone so no other information can be introduced to counter their propaganda. I notice other news outlets from America, like PBS and CBS, do not report on the Holocaust or the gas chamber scenario very often. Maybe they have discontinued peddling the stories because they have heard that there are many weaknesses in the stories and want to avoid embarrassment.

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Re: Johann Rehbogen Breaks Down in Court

Postby Hektor » 13 hours 40 minutes ago (Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:35 am)

JLAD Prove Me Wrong wrote:
Hektor wrote:I looked it up virtually no German articles mentioning the full name, Johann Rehbogen, while the foreign press is full of it. Yes, that's right, every mainline media outlet, seems to have an article on it.


Wow, thanks for the insight,. Of course, this raises the question, "Why would they lie through their teeth about this"? It doesn't benefit them the way Shoah business does. After all, there's no business like Shoah business!

The German media was only omitting the full name. As for lying about the case they mostly repeat what they have from other sources. Of course they affirm the Holocaust narrative or parts of it. It should be noted that Holocaust Revisionists and their works were mentioned in the press, which may lead to some spin-off.

The Accused, Johann Rehbogen, statement was:
„Warum waren die Häftlinge so abgemagert?“, fragten die Beamten Johann R. bei ihrem Besuch. Dieser antwortete darauf nur: „Sie hätten mal sehen sollen, wie die Wachmänner ausgesehen haben. Die Nahrung war knapp und wir haben zu zweit in eine Uniform gepasst.“


"Why were the prisoners undernourished", the officials asked during the visit. Response:"You should have seen the guards, food was in short supply and two of us fit into a uniform." Rehbogen disputes any knowledge about any unlawful killing or extermination activity at the camp.

I noted the names of the Lawyers or legal counsel. I wonder if it would be worthwhile to write to them. Perhaps pointing them to the literature Rehbogen did mention to the police. And of course giving other hints. I have no idea what their views on the matter are and may be I should investigate that first.

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Re: Johann Rehbogen, Nazi death camp guard on trial

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 7 hours 58 minutes ago (Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:18 pm)

Hektor wrote:I noted the names of the Lawyers or legal counsel. I wonder if it would be worthwhile to write to them. Perhaps pointing them to the literature Rehbogen did mention to the police. And of course giving other hints. I have no idea what their views on the matter are and may be I should investigate that first.


I think you should write to them something like,

Dear (Lawyers Name),

Please seriously consider the possibilty that Johann Rehbogen is innocent. He claims to not know about unlawful killing or extermination.

Being accused doesn't mean he's guilty. People have been accused of crimes which they didn't commit. Please consider the possibility that this is one of them.

What is your opinion on the book Rehbogen mentioned, titled, "Concentration Camp Stutthof", written by Juergen Graf and Carlo Mattogno?

I look forward to a response,

Sincerely, (Your Name Here).
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