Einsatzgruppen Map?/"Holocaust By Bullets"

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Einsatzgruppen Map?/"Holocaust By Bullets"

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 1 week 4 days ago (Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:22 pm)

According to http://www.yahadinunum.org/what-is-the- ... -LY2HAQ03I

The map below shows the movements of the Einsatzgruppen units A, B, C and D in Eastern Europe and the resepective number of victims that each unit killed between 1941-1942. It is important to note that this map shows only a group of the victims of the Jews in the Soviet Union as mass shootings continued from 1941-1944 and were also carried out by other Nazi units, including police batallions, the Waffen-SS, the Wehrmacht, and local auxiliaries.
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I understand that the Einsatzgruppen has been debunked thoroughly here - as Hannover said,
Per THEIR alleged ‘holocaust by bullets’ the ‘holocau$t’ Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, so, anyone, please SHOW us the actual excavations, the enormous mass graves, & remains that are claimed to exist, their locations are allegedly known.
Is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?


That said, I have looked for the original source of the image, but have not it.

The sources below say F. Maclean, The Field Men (1999); P. Longerich, Holocaust: The Nazi Persecution an Murder of Jews (2010)


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Re: Einsatzgruppen Map?/"Holocaust By Bullets"

Postby stinky » 1 week 3 days ago (Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:43 pm)

If we were to go by the map, the total death toll is 707,406.
As per your quote of Hannover, the industry claims some 2,000,000 jewish victims.

It would appear that when it comes to the numbers of jewish victims, numbers are largely inflated, if not pulled out of thin air.

As Hannover says, show us the mass graves & remains
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Re: Einsatzgruppen Map?/"Holocaust By Bullets"

Postby Breker » 1 week 3 days ago (Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:23 pm)

That map is pure Zionist BS. They can't back it up in the slightest.

Without a doubt, "No alleged human remains of millions in allegedly known locations, no 'holocaust' ".
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Re: Einsatzgruppen Map?/"Holocaust By Bullets"

Postby Hektor » 1 week 3 days ago (Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:30 am)

stinky wrote:If we were to go by the map, the total death toll is 707,406.
As per your quote of Hannover, the industry claims some 2,000,000 jewish victims.

It would appear that when it comes to the numbers of jewish victims, numbers are largely inflated, if not pulled out of thin air.

As Hannover says, show us the mass graves & remains


They'll say it's a minimum estimate.

But all they did is construct a graphic and than add figures to it.

Imagine somebody would reverse the direction of the arrows and put the name to Allied units to it. You can be sure that MS-Historians would dismiss this out of hand.

I wonder why they didn't use this map:
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The answer would be here:
viewtopic.php?t=7404

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Re: Einsatzgruppen Map?/"Holocaust By Bullets"

Postby borjastick » 1 week 3 days ago (Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:55 am)

Hektor wrote:
stinky wrote:If we were to go by the map, the total death toll is 707,406.
As per your quote of Hannover, the industry claims some 2,000,000 jewish victims.

It would appear that when it comes to the numbers of jewish victims, numbers are largely inflated, if not pulled out of thin air.

As Hannover says, show us the mass graves & remains


They'll say it's a minimum estimate.

But all they did is construct a graphic and than add figures to it.

Imagine somebody would reverse the direction of the arrows and put the name to Allied units to it. You can be sure that MS-Historians would dismiss this out of hand.

I wonder why they didn't use this map:
Image

The answer would be here:
viewtopic.php?t=7404


Add up the figures on this map and they come to almost exactly one tenth of the claimed 2,000,000 jews killed by the Einsatzgruppen. Typical jewish arithmetic. In any case if this mass killing was really going on why would anyone draw a map with a coffin and a figure on it? Plus of course we can't avoid the elephant in the room, that is the complete lack of any mass graves showing all these murdered jews.
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Re: Einsatzgruppen Map?/"Holocaust By Bullets"

Postby stinky » 1 week 3 days ago (Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:01 pm)

But all they did is construct a graphic and than add figures to it.


My bad, it is somewhat more sophisticated than pulling numbers out of thin air.
A diagram has been rendered.

Plus of course we can't avoid the elephant in the room, that is the complete lack of any mass graves showing all these murdered jews.


That elephant ain't going anywhere :lol:
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Re: Einsatzgruppen Map?/"Holocaust By Bullets"

Postby borjastick » 1 week 2 days ago (Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:07 am)

363,337 / 990 = 367+ killed by each man.

134,000 / 655 = 204 killed by each man

118,341 / 700 = 169 killed by each man

91,728 / 600 = 152 killed by each man

So we know that these claims have not been backed up by mass grave proof.

We know that when looking at the average per man killed above the farcical nature of this becomes apparent but what did these men say about their deeds? Have we got multiple confessions at some point after the war from these chaps? I cannot believe that if I were one of these men who committed such mass killings that it wouldn't weigh very heavy on my conscience and I wouldn't confess my guilt somewhere to someone.
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Re: Einsatzgruppen Map?/"Holocaust By Bullets"

Postby stinky » 1 week 1 hour ago (Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:18 pm)

Similar to other strands of the narrative involving data, by carefully breaking down the claims, as borjastick has done, clearly renders the claims utterly ridiculous.
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Re: Einsatzgruppen Map?/"Holocaust By Bullets"

Postby Hektor » 6 days 13 hours ago (Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:02 am)

borjastick wrote:363,337 / 990 = 367+ killed by each man.

134,000 / 655 = 204 killed by each man

118,341 / 700 = 169 killed by each man

91,728 / 600 = 152 killed by each man

So we know that these claims have not been backed up by mass grave proof.
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Bear in mind that only a faction of each unit hat tasks involving physical shooting:
https://archive.org/details/Einsatzgrup ... /page/n717
Most were support staff and intelligence staff.

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Re: Einsatzgruppen Map?/"Holocaust By Bullets"

Postby borjastick » 6 days 10 hours ago (Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:40 am)

Hektor wrote:
borjastick wrote:363,337 / 990 = 367+ killed by each man.

134,000 / 655 = 204 killed by each man

118,341 / 700 = 169 killed by each man

91,728 / 600 = 152 killed by each man

So we know that these claims have not been backed up by mass grave proof.
.....



Bear in mind that only a faction of each unit hat tasks involving physical shooting:
https://archive.org/details/Einsatzgrup ... /page/n717
Most were support staff and intelligence staff.


Good point well made.

(((They))) will of course claim that this heavy workload was the reason gas chambers and mass murder in the camps were introduced. Pure deflection of course because of the lack of evidence to support any of the shooting numbers as claimed in the totals shown above.
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