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Anne Frank, Revisionist Icon.

Postby Juan » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:59 pm)

Was Anne "fit for work"? Because she was not "gassed" in Auschwitz, instead she was transferred to Bergen-Belsen where she tragically died from Typhus.

It's like a Revisionist Icon.

If they were trying to exterminate people, specially towards the end of the war, why they didn't just kill the sick people? After all, they were "unfit for working".

Also we could suggest that newborn babies were "fit for working". There are a lot of "survivor babies" around.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:02 pm)

There were a lot of Jewish babies born in the camps too.

So much for the 'extermination' canard.

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Postby Juan » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:04 pm)

Were they tatooed? That "life-saving tatooed number", I mean. Not the "fancy tatoos stripped from jewish corpses".

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:09 am)

Here's a compilation of mine which includes a story about an Anne Frank 'diary' exhibit. The story is below. Take note of the many problems with this alleged 'diary'.
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How interesting, "parts" of the Anne Frank "diary" will be on exhibit. It would seem there are some major problems.

-various conflicting versions:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p147_Faurisson.html

- strikingly different samples of handwriting supposedly written by her within a two and a half year period:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n6p-2_Faurisson.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p147_Faurisson.html


- A REPORT by the German Federal Criminal Investigation Bureau (BKA) indicates that portions of The Diary of Anne Frank had been altered or added after 1951, casting doubt over the authenticity of the entire work, the West German news weekly Der Spiegel has disclosed. http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/con ... t1080.html

- a David Irving letter concerning the Anne Frank 'diary'; her father refused to have it tested & analysed:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/con ... 50286.html

Here's the story stating that PARTS of the diary are going on exhibit (perhaps they don't want people noticing the conflicting, damning parts).

The last statement claiming that "more than 100,000 Dutch Jews, about 70 percent of the Jewish community, were deported to German concentration camps and killed during the war" is absurd and completely unfounded and is the usual from the 'holocau$t' Industry.

It should be noted that Anne Frank died in Belsen of disease, she was not murdered. No one questions that she was deported.

for more see:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n3p31_Weber.html
http://www.vho.org/i/s/H/Do.html
(in German)

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stori ... 01020.html

Museum to Display Anne Frank Writings

ASSOCIATED PRESS

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Parts of Anne Frank's diary will go on display outside the Netherlands for the first time during an exhibition at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., the caretakers of the diary said Monday.

The exhibition will begin June 12, which would have been the 74th birthday of the girl whose wartime diary written in hiding from Nazi collaborators has moved generations of readers.

Selections of the diary and other writings were being loaned by the Netherlands Institute for War Documentation, which was bequeathed the documents by Otto Frank, Anne's father.

Otto Frank was the only survivor among the eight people who hid together for 25 months in the secret warehouse annex in Amsterdam where he had maintained a business.

The institute said the display will include Anne's photo album and parts of the last of her three diary notebooks.

Anne began writing her diary on her 13th birthday in 1942. Less than a month later she went into hiding with her father, mother, sister and four others.

After the Franks were discovered and arrested, the notebooks and loose sheets scattered on the floor of the annex were collected and kept by Miep Gies, a former employee of Otto Frank who had helped supply them with food during their years locked behind a secret door.

More than 100,000 Dutch Jews, about 70 percent of the Jewish community, were deported to German concentration camps and killed during the war
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Anne Frank, Revisionist Icon.

Postby AD25 » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Thu May 30, 2019 3:50 am)

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"- strikingly different samples of handwriting supposedly written by her within a two and a half year period"
You probably mean the letter to Iowa. The letter was written more than two year before she started writing the diary. The handwriting of a child strongly differs through the years. Only after the age of 18 a handwriting more or less stabilizes. By the way, the handwriting in the Iowa letter is relatively similar to later handwriting. Only the font gradient is different. Iowa letter was compared with her other manuscripts Swann Auction Galleries from New York and was authenticated.
https://www.droog-mag.nl/2018/frank/index.html
Anne used two scripts - cursive and "handprinting", both in the diary and in the letters. It is not unusual for teen people.
Other Anne Frank's manuscripts:
10 year old
Poem for Juultje: https://i2.wp.com/www.brainpickings.org ... =680&ssl=1
12 year
Letter to Omi: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mXd1AcYSOA8/ ... 0/af01.png
Anne Frank's entry in Jacqueline van Maarsen's autograph album: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bgY5cQOah7k/ ... 0/af02.png
Poem for Jacqueline: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/ ... ge-169.jpg
Postcard (Etith's, Margot's and Otto's handwritings there are also): https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/ws/624/am ... _frank.jpg
It is funny that Faurisson was not a manuscript expert. He himself said it.

Rebuttal of Faurisson on the Anne Frank Diary:
http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-hist ... nne-frank/

PS: Sorry for my English.

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Re: Anne Frank, Revisionist Icon.

Postby Lamprecht » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Thu May 30, 2019 6:10 pm)

Recommended reading on Anne Frank:


Anne Frank’s Diary Gains ‘Co-Author’ / and more
viewtopic.php?t=9924


See also:
The Importance of Anne Frank

By Richard A. Widmann and David Merlin
Published: 2014-06-11

The story of Anne Frank and her family is well-known through the diary bearing her name. This tragic tale is frequently used to counter Holocaust revisionists. The details of the story are often forgotten or replaced with assumptions regarding the fates of Anne Frank and her family. The facts of the story actually support the revisionist view of the Holocaust. The teaching of The Diary of Anne Frank should be embraced by Holocaust revisionists and all who care about learning the truth of what really happened to Europe's Jews during the Second World War. The popular media version of the Holocaust would have us think that almost all would be gassed upon arrival at the "death camps" and especially Auschwitz. While perhaps a few very strong Jews might be utilized for manual labor, all children, the elderly, the sick would surely be murdered as part of a program of extermination.

However tragic the story of Anne Frank and her family is, its narrative states that Anne Frank was not gassed at Auschwitz. In fact, after being transported to Auschwitz, she was later transported back west to Bergen-Belsen where she succumbed to disease —typhus, the very disease that Zyklon-B (the alleged killing agent) was used in the camps to combat. The story of Anne Frank is a typical example of the fate of many Jews during this time.

What follows is an unpublished letter from David Merlin of the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust. Merlin submitted this letter to the New York Times in November 2013. The New York Times did not think it was fit to print. As Merlin suggests, understanding the details of the fate of Anne Frank and her family would help to reveal the truth of the policies of the German government during the Second World War. Merlin writes, "details allow us to learn what really happened." Those details may be inconvenient to some, but due attention to them can greatly aid in dispelling the shroud of calumny and victimhood that today distorts our understanding.



Edward Rothstein

c/o New York Times

New York City



07 November 2013

I am writing to comment on your article, "Playing Cat and Mouse With Searing History," addressing the new Anne Frank exhibit at the Los Angeles Museum of Tolerance. http://tinyurl.com/kauo33a

While Anne Frank’s story is tragic, you ignore the manner of death of the 8 people in the Annex. The official history is that non-working Jewish people arriving at Auschwitz were all “gassed." But of the eight sent to Auschwitz on September 3, 1944 from the Annex, not one of them was killed in a gas chamber. Instead, five of the eight were transported back to Germany-Austria in November 1944.

The details of the eight individuals from the Annex are:

The Frank Family was detained for failing to report for labor service and for going into hiding.

1. Anne Frank-- sent to Auschwitz, then transported to Belsen where she died of typhus (in Belsen not Auschwitz).

2. Otto Frank-- left behind in Auschwitz with those in the sick barracks. Survived the War.

3. Edith Frank-Holländer--left behind in Auschwitz as the Germans retreated.

4. Margot Frank (Anne's older sister) died of typhus in Belsen (not Auschwitz).

5. Fritz Pfeffer, sent to Auschwitz then transported to Neuengamme concentration camp where he died on 20 December 1944. His cause of death is listed in the camp records as "enterocolitis."

6. Auguste van Pels born Auguste Röttgen (Hermann's wife), whose date of death is unknown. Witnesses testified that she was with the Frank sisters during part of their time in Bergen-Belsen. According to German records, van Pels was sent to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in Germany with a group of eight women on November 26, 1944. Hannah Goslar's testimony was that she spoke to van Pels through the barbed wire fence "in late January or early February". Auguste was transferred on February 6, 1945 to Raguhn (Buchenwald in Germany), then to the Czechoslovakia camp Theresienstadt ghetto on April 9, 1945.

7. Peter van Pels died in Mauthausen (not Auschwitz).

8. Hermann van Pels died in Auschwitz. It is often claimed that he was "gassed." However, according to eyewitness testimony, this did not happen on the day of his arrival there. Sal de Liema, an inmate at Auschwitz who knew both Otto Frank and Hermann van Pels, said that after two or three days in the camp, van Pels mentally "gave up." He later injured his thumb on a work detail, and requested to be sent to the sick barracks. There is no evidence whatever for the assertion that Hermann van Pels was gassed.

The pattern is the same with other groups closely associated with Anne Frank who were also sent to Auschwitz from Holland.

9. Eva Geiringer -- born May 11, 1929. Sent to Auschwitz May 1944 Step-sister of Anne Frank. Survived the War.

10. "Fritzy" Geiringer, mother of Eva, Married Otto Frank. Survived the War.

11. Heinz Geiringer, brother. Survived Auschwitz but died on a forced march out of the camp.

12. "Pappy" Geiringer. Survived Auschwitz but died on a forced march out of the camp.

The Geiringers were immigrants from Austria; They too ignored a call up for labor service received July 6, 1942 and went into hiding. They were found out on May 11, 1944, detained and were sent to Auschwitz that month.

13. Janny Brandes-Brilleslijper. Was arrested for forgery. Was in the Westerbork, Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen concentration camps. Traveled to Auschwitz on the same train as the Frank family and to Belsen with Anne and Anne's older sister Margot. Survived the War.

14. Lientje, sister of Janny. Was in the Westerbork, Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen concentration camps with Janny. Survived the War.

Elsewhere you have praised the “relentless pursuit of historical details." You are right. Details allow us to learn what really happened. In this case the details tell us that none of the people traveling with Anne Frank died in “gas chambers.” Why? And why did the Germans transport Anne, her sister, Janny, Lientje and so many others back into Germany in 1944? These are details which should profoundly affect our, and your, understanding of German policies.

Yours for history based on honesty and historical detail,

David Merlin
https://codoh.com/library/document/4543/
"There is a principal which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principal is contempt prior to investigation."
-- Herbert Spencer

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Re: Anne Frank, Revisionist Icon.

Postby Hannover » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Fri May 31, 2019 1:24 am)

AD25 wrote:Hannover
"- strikingly different samples of handwriting supposedly written by her within a two and a half year period"
You probably mean the letter to Iowa. The letter was written more than two year before she started writing the diary. The handwriting of a child strongly differs through the years. Only after the age of 18 a handwriting more or less stabilizes. By the way, the handwriting in the Iowa letter is relatively similar to later handwriting. Only the font gradient is different. Iowa letter was compared with her other manuscripts Swann Auction Galleries from New York and was authenticated.
https://www.droog-mag.nl/2018/frank/index.html
Anne used two scripts - cursive and "handprinting", both in the diary and in the letters. It is not unusual for teen people.
Other Anne Frank's manuscripts:
10 year old
Poem for Juultje: https://i2.wp.com/www.brainpickings.org ... =680&ssl=1
12 year
Letter to Omi: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mXd1AcYSOA8/ ... 0/af01.png
Anne Frank's entry in Jacqueline van Maarsen's autograph album: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bgY5cQOah7k/ ... 0/af02.png
Poem for Jacqueline: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/ ... ge-169.jpg
Postcard (Etith's, Margot's and Otto's handwritings there are also): https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/ws/624/am ... _frank.jpg
It is funny that Faurisson was not a manuscript expert. He himself said it.

Rebuttal of Faurisson on the Anne Frank Diary:
http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-hist ... nne-frank/

PS: Sorry for my English.

You have utterly failed to address the numerous points made which rebut all the content of your above post, including the rebutted claim of 'authentication'.
see:
Anne Frank’s Diary Gains ‘Co-Author’ / and more
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9924

As for Dr. Faurisson not being a "manuscript expert', which you fail to define, and as if such an "expert" would even be necessary; please recall that so called "holocaust historian" Raul Hilberg has no degree in history, but no doubt you believe every word he says.

You have also failed to address these laughably different alleged samples of A. Frank's writing:
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IOW, your attempt fails.

- Hannover

No alleged immense human remains to be seen in allegedly known locations, no 'holocaust'.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.


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