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holocaust practical experiment

Postby CODOHnia » 6 months 1 week ago (Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:44 am)

Hello, I am a new member and want to tell you something I have been thinking about a long time. There is the claim that babies were ripped apart by nazis in concentration camps. The first time i heard about it was in a documentary on the internet, however I can't find it anymore. But I found this rather recent article from 2018 on a main British tabloid:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5430248/h ... auschwitz/

Here is the relevant quote:

The baby torn to death

It was while he was working that Leslie saw some of the most unspeakable things.

He said: “I saw a truck turn up which was full of 600 little tiny children, babies.

“They were crying and I knew they were going straight to the gas chambers and their death.

“One of the children fell out – and I was about 25 or 30 metres from there. The guard stopped the car, picked up the child, tore off its two legs, it was bloody.


I was still a believer when I came across it the first time yet I already had doubts. Weren't these Germans obsessed with cleanliness? Would't such an act have ruined their uniform?
My rather more substantial doubt came later and it ultimately led me to the experiment.

Is it even physically possible to tear off the legs of a living baby?


I know just the thought makes your stomach turn. Even If I had the possibility to do this like working in a morgue I would never try this.
However humans are part of the animal kingdom so why not try it with a similar sized (dead) animal. So I bought a chicken and tried with all my strength to pull off its legs. It didn't work. I tried to pull off at least its wings it didn't work either.

For me the result of the experiment is enough to not only doubt but refute the accusation of babies being ripped apart. What are your thoughts, did I miss something?
Maybe someone of the other members could extend this experiment to a mammal like a hare or a rabbit (which is difficult to obtain for me) and tell us about it.

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Re: holocaust practical experiment

Postby borjastick » 6 months 1 week ago (Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:17 am)

I don't think we are in need of such experiments to know this claim is about as valid as my claim to be King of England!

For a start don't even go to the point where he ripped the limbs of this little baby, no, go back along the line to his claim that the lorry contained 600 babies. How would he know that number, how would he be able to count 600 and isn't it odd that that little number 6 comes up immediately in a holocaust tale?? As soon as you see any tall stories like this you should discard them and read no further, except for entertainment value for that is what it is.

The allies post war were clever at showing the Germans, Huns, those horrible nazis as complete cold killing animals. Not true but it was all part of the post war propaganda programme to show us as God fearing angelics who only wanted to do good in the world and those Germans as evil.

When I was a kid in Uk in 60s/70s there was a small comic book called Commando and others which showed full on war time heroics and bravado. The Brits were always fantastically brave and wonderful and the German soldiers had square heads and jaws and were evil.

Disregard this story my friend and welcome to the club.
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Re: holocaust practical experiment

Postby Hektor » 6 months 1 week ago (Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:57 am)

Please don't use living babies for this experiment! ;)

A baby is probably between 3 and ten kg. One could calculate the force required to "rip them apart", then you could calculate what force a grown-up fit man could work up by tearing with his hands.

But anyway, the story is typically, outrageous for propaganda. And as such it should be taken.

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Postby Atigun » 6 months 3 days ago (Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:27 am)

There is also the tale of German soldiers using baby Jews for skeet shooting. One eeevul German would throw the baby into the air and another would shoot it with his rifle. Hoaxers are now trying to sweep such vicious fantasies down the memory hole.

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Postby Dresden » 6 months 3 days ago (Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:34 am)

Atigun wrote:There is also the tale of German soldiers using baby Jews for skeet shooting. One eeevul German would throw the baby into the air and another would shoot it with his rifle. Hoaxers are now trying to sweep such vicious fantasies down the memory hole.


While his daughter would scream and say "Do it again papa ..... do it again!" :lol:
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Re: holocaust practical experiment

Postby DissentingOpinions » 6 months 2 days ago (Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:21 pm)

Babies have extremely fragile heads. Definitely possible the National Socialists were capable of doing it, but it's most likely propaganda.

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Re: holocaust practical experiment

Postby Hegwood » 6 months 2 days ago (Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:36 am)

Is it even physically possible to tear off the legs of a living baby?


CODOHnia and Dissenting,

A baby is made of the same type of tissue - muscle, tendons, ligaments, bone - as a camp guard's arms are. If the guard had enough strength to rip a baby apart he is in danger of exerting enough force to have his arms seperate at the elbow, wrist, or knuckles. He most certainly would be exerting enough force to cause serious damage to one or more those joints.

Or consider. At a minimum a baby's tissue is almost as strong as a man's arm. If there was a man capable of tearing baby tissue apart he could grab a firmly fixed bar and exert a little more force and tear his own arm off. There is no man that strong.


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Re: holocaust practical experiment

Postby Callahan » 6 months 2 days ago (Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:28 am)

I absolutely think it would be possible to do this... The point is, it is completely ridiculous. It's basically the most absurdly theatrical portayal of a villain one can think of, and doesn't seem realistic whatsoever. Even psychopaths tend to have a spectrum of behaviors they fall within, and I have never heard of something so ridiculous as this, let alone it being done casually by German soldiers. Remember, we also hear claims that infants were used for target practice, flung into the air and shot, like skeet shooting. I bet they were also cooked into a stew and fed to unsupecting Jews by Dr. Mengele, only to be shat out and sorted through by Irene Zisblatt on her daily search for poo-diamonds.

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Re: holocaust practical experiment

Postby Hegwood » 6 months 2 days ago (Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:25 pm)

Callahan,

You said:

Even psychopaths tend to have a spectrum of behaviors they fall within, and...



Do you believe that the German labor camp guards were "psychopaths"?


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Re: holocaust practical experiment

Postby Callahan » 6 months 1 day ago (Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:47 pm)

Hegwood wrote:Do you believe that the German labor camp guards were "psychopaths"?


Hegwood

That's definitely not what I was trying to say.

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Re: holocaust practical experiment

Postby cold beer » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:55 pm)

As is always the case with holocaust articles of this kind the word "alleges" disappears from journalism.
These other thing to notice is the very jewish looking nature of his family.
When you look at photos of arrivals at Auschwitz there is a strange absence of people that look like this.

A question:
What is that ID document in the article?
It's date Oct 1945


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