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First UK Burial for Holocaust Victims - No Autopsy

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 1 week 2 days ago (Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:39 pm)

According to https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... sh-funeral

More than seven decades after the liberation of the Nazi death camps, the remains of six unidentified victims of the Holocaust are to be given a Jewish burial.

The service will take place on 20 January, a week before Holocaust Memorial Day, and is expected to be attended by Holocaust survivors.

The Imperial War Museum, which has stored the remains for more than 20 years, has handed them to the United Synagogue after consultation with the chief rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, and the Auschwitz museum near Krakow in Poland.

The remains will be placed in shrouds in a single coffin and laid to rest at Bushey New Cemetery in Hertfordshire, which serves the orthodox Jewish community.

Michael Goldstein, president of the United Synagogue, which is organising the funeral, the first burial of Holocaust victims in the UK, said: “We have the opportunity to do what was denied to our brothers and sisters during the Holocaust – to provide a dignified and appropriate Jewish burial.”

The remains of what are believed to be six people were discovered by a survivor at the Auschwitz death camp. In 1997, the remains were sent to the IWM as part of a collection of Holocaust-related items, despite the museum saying it did not wish to acquire the container.

As few details were supplied, the IWM – which is legally permitted to store human remains – commissioned tests. The English Heritage Centre for Archaeology found that the remains included human bone fragments, non-human bone fragments, construction material from cremation ovens, and ash – and suggested that the human remains were of six people, likely to be five adults and a child.

The IWM has looked after the remains since their arrival at the museum. However, as part of a review of its Holocaust-related items ahead of the construction of new galleries in 2021, the museum decided it was no longer appropriate to look after the remains. It sought advice from the office of the chief rabbi and the Auschwitz museum. The United Synagogue offered to hold a funeral.

Diane Lees, the IWM’s director-general, said: “It is hoped that the burial, which will be attended by members of Jewish and non-Jewish communities, will afford these individuals the respect and dignity they were denied in both life and death.”

In a statement, the chief rabbi’s office said: “These kedoshim [holy souls] will now be afforded the dignity of a Jewish funeral, within the loving embrace of our community – something which was denied to them and so many others during the course of the Shoah [Holocaust].” Soil from Israel will be placed in the grave.

Goldstein said: “We must remember that although we have only the remains of a number of victims of the Shoah, each was a person in their own right, with a family and a life and a Jewish identity, with hopes and dreams just like each of us. One of them was a child. I will hug my own children especially tightly next Sunday.

“I thank all of my colleagues who will make this burial possible and know that each of them feels acutely the huge burden of responsibility for what we are doing. We welcome all those who wish to attend to join us at the levaya [funeral] to pay their respects.”

Karen Pollock, chief executive of the Holocaust Memorial Trust, said: “When the camps were liberated, survivors started asking questions about their families: who survived, where were they, what happened to them?

“For the majority, they had lost most, if not all, of their relatives in the Holocaust. They did not have a chance to say goodbye, attend a funeral or pay their respects to their own families and to the millions of Jews who were murdered and who did not have the burial they deserved.

“This ceremony is firstly an opportunity to bless, bury and lay to rest these victims, but also it is a moment for Holocaust survivors, and for all of us, to come together and remember.

“Today, our hearts go out to everyone who had to endure the pain of losing loved ones during the Holocaust, the unique and unprecedented genocide of the Jewish people, and we pledge to continue our effort that the memories of those who were murdered live on.”


I wonder why we have never heard of these people before. Believers want there to be remains so badly, yet we have never heard of these people.

I am also curious as to how they died - that is still undetermined. An autopsy is definitely wanting.

Perhaps Caroline Sturdy Colls can assist?


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Re: First UK Burial for Holocaust Victims - No Autopsy

Postby FJI » 1 week 2 days ago (Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:40 pm)

Another reminder to the Goyim about the Holohoax...

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Re: First UK Burial for Holocaust Victims - No Autopsy

Postby Lamprecht » 1 week 2 days ago (Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:01 pm)

The English Heritage Centre for Archaeology found that the remains included human bone fragments, non-human bone fragments, construction material from cremation ovens, and ash


Non-human bone fragments? :?
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Re: First UK Burial for Holocaust Victims - No Autopsy

Postby Hannover » 1 week 2 days ago (Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:34 pm)

The article in JLAD's OP debunks itself.

If taking alleged 'holocaust' human remains and giving them 'proper' burials was so important and compassionate, then why haven't they exhumed the alleged remain of millions said to be in known locations?
We know why.

Just a few examples.:

Sobibor ‘monument’ supposedly over the remains of 250,000 Jew, actual remains of the alleged 250,000 cannot be shown.
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Alleged “ash pond” for an alleged 1.1M Jew remains at Auschwitz, however these alleged remains cannot be shown to exist.
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Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains of 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains exist.
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photo from ‘Surviving Treblinka’, by Samuel Willenberg.
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It is captioned: “crane lifting corpses destined for cremation”.
Does anyone see any “corpses”?

How about the alleged 34,000 Jew corpses supposedly still buried at Babi Yar? We see nothing because they are not there, never were.
see:
!! Excavation Result: No Enormous Human Remains as Alleged at Babi Yar !! … ofcourse'
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And per their alleged ‘holocaust by bullets’ the ‘holocau$t’ Industry claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, so, anyone, please SHOW us the actual excavations, the enormous mass graves, & remains that are claimed to exist, their locations are allegedly known.
Is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?

Plus, there is the laughable & impossible claim that 'the Nazis exhumed them, burned them, and made then disappear' which is thoroughly debunked, again, by the fact that the alleged remains and the exact locations are said to be precisely know, and by more lies, such as:
“The mass graves were opened and the corpses were taken out, to be consumed by the flames of huge pyres (the ‘roasts’). The bones were crushed and, together with the ashes, were reburied in the same graves.”
- Israel Gutman (ed.), Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, 4 vols., Macmillan, New York 1990, vol. 4, p. 1481-87
Again, a ridiculous story to be sure, but there it is. There are no immense human remains as alleged.

Remember, the claimed '6M Jews & 5M others' is one helluva a lot of human remains to just disappear. That alleged 11M equals the population of London.

This is too easy.

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Re: First UK Burial for Holocaust Victims - No Autopsy

Postby nut butter » 1 day 44 minutes ago (Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:02 am)

the first line of the above post claims the unidentified remains will be given a jewish burial, however the death books from auschwitz have a greater percentage of roman catholic deaths recorded, why is it assumed that the remains are jewish and not anything else?

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Re: First UK Burial for Holocaust Victims - No Autopsy

Postby HeiligeSturm » 14 hours 22 minutes ago (Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:24 pm)

JLAD Prove Me Wrong wrote:
I am also curious as to how they died - that is still undetermined. An autopsy is definitely wanting.

Perhaps Caroline Sturdy Colls can assist?


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