The phrase in question is "der Endlösung zugeführt wurden" ( Brought to the final solution)
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ution.html
"Brought to the Final Solution"
On January 3, 1946, Wisliceny admitted in court that Jews sent to Auschwitz from Hungary were "brought to the final solution". On February 19, 1944, a document on executions in Piaski gave a list of Jews who were "brought to the final solution." ["der Endlösung zugeführt wurden" [YVA O.53/82, pp.50-52]. These types of executions had been defined by Heydrich as special treatment [Sonderbehandlung], as quoted here. We therefore have a convergence of documentation and testimony that "final solution" in the context of SS operations in Auschwitz and in Poland generally meant killing, albeit disguised as "special treatment" [Sonderbehandlung] in which death was meted out via extralegal executions.
The full document is in VEJ 9, Dok. 285, pp.784-787. A scan of the document is below.
Note: click the blog post to see where the documents link to
Mentioned is the testimony of Dieter Wisliceny where he specifically says "brought to the final solution" means execution.
Testimony of Dieter Wisliceny at Nuremberg on January 3, 1946:
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LT. COL. BROOKHART: And what was the ultimate disposition of the Jews sent to Auschwitz from Greece?
WISLICENY: They were without exception destined for the so-called final solution.
LT. COL. BROOKHART: During the collection period were these Jews called upon to furnish their own subsistence?
WISLICENY: I did not quite understand the question.
THE PRESIDENT: Colonel Brookhart, does it matter, if they were "brought to the final solution" which I suppose means death?
LT. COL. BROOKHART: Your Honor, this witness will testify that 280 million drachmas were deposited in the Greek National Bank for the subsistence of these people and that this amount was later appropriated by the German Military Administration. That is all I have hoped to prove by this question.
[Turning to the witness.] Is that a correct statement of your testimony? .
WISLICENY: Yes. The cash which the Jews possessed was taken away and put into a common account at the Bank of Greece. After the Jews had been evacuated from Salonika this account was taken over by the German Military Administration. About 280 million drachmas were involved.
WISLICENY: They were, without exception, taken to Auschwitz and brought to the final solution.
LT. COL. BROOKHART: Do you mean they were killed?
WISLICENY: Yes, with the exception of perhaps 25-30% who were used for labor purposes. I here refer to a previously mentioned conversation on this matter between Hoess and Eichmann in Budapest.
Additionally, from: http://db.yadvashem.org/deportation/res ... Id=3656575
Report concerning the discovery of preparations to escape from the Krasnik labor camp, including: "... by means of various informers, it was uncovered that a number of Jews planned to escape the labor camp of Krasnik... eight Jews were arrested, 13/02/1944, due to interrogations... the information of the informers turned out to be correct... 12 forged Polish identity cards and 21,490 Zloty in cash were found... among those Jews who possessed the Polish identity cards, was foremost the Jewish camp commander, Peisach Kawa and his family, further Jewish guards and supervisors (Kapos), physicians and paramedics ... in the course of the investigations, it leaked out that an unknown Jew came from Warsaw to Krasnik, where he sold forged identity cards for the price of 5,000 Zloty each... despite tough interrogation, the identity of that Jew could not yet be revealed... the following named Jews were associated with the escape attempt and they were "brought to the final solution", 14/02/1944 and 18/02/1944 (followed by a list of names of 44 executed Jews) ... during the investigations, a number of Jews escaped from the labor camp: on 14/02/1944 the Jew Jankiel Ehrlich, on 16/02/1944 the Jew Chil Rolnik, and on 17/02/1944, another 18 Jewish forced laborers (followed by a list of names of 18 escaped Jews)... by order of camp commander SS-Unterscharfuehrer Groeger, 20 close relatives of the escaped persons have been deported... from the listed Jews on the run, numbers 4 and 12 of the below named persons have meanwhile been tracked down ... after interrogations, they too will be "brought to the final solution"... (pp. 50-52), (page 51 contains a list of 44 names of executed Jews), (page 52 contains a list of 18 names of Jews on the run, two of whom have been tracked down again),
The Holocast believer argument is, that the "Final Solution" meant killing the Jews (in contrast to the documents which define it as resettlement/deportation as "code words"). It seems, in this instance, it may have been.
I was also referencing the testimony of Hans Lammers, from: https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/3/6089
Finally, however, in 1943, rumors cropped up that Jews were being killed. I had no jurisdiction in this field; it was merely that I occasionally received complaints and on the basis of these complaints I investigated the rumors. But, as far as I could tell, at any rate, these rumors always proved to be only rumors. Every one said he had heard it from somebody else and nobody wanted to make a definite statement. I am, in fact, of the opinion that these rumors were based mostly on foreign broadcasts and that the people just did not want to say from where they had the information. That caused me once more to undertake an investigation of this matter. First of all, since I, for my part, could not initiate investigations of matters under Himmler’s jurisdiction, I addressed myself to Himmler once again. Himmler denied any legal killings and told me, with reference to the order from the Führer, that it was his duty to evacuate the Jews and that during such evacuations, which also involved old and sick people, of course there were cases of death, there were accidents, there were attacks by enemy aircraft. He added too, that there were revolts, which of course he had to suppress severely and with bloodshed, as a warning. For the rest, he said that these people were being accommodated in camps in the East. He brought out a lot of pictures and albums and showed me the work that was being done in these camps by the Jews and how they worked for the war needs, the shoemakers shops, tailors shops, and so forth. He told me:
“This is the order of the Führer; if you believe that you have to take action against it then tell the Führer and tell me the names of the people who have made these reports to you.”
Professor Butz has stated, what I think is agreed upon by all revisionists:
"The 'final solution' meant the expulsion of all Jews from the German sphere of influence in Europe. After the invasion of Russia, its specific meaning was the resettlement of these Jews in the East. The German documents at every level (among those that have survived) express this unambiguously, a fact which is conceded even by the bearers of the extermination legend, who are forced to declare that this must just be code terminology for extermination."
Of course, prisoners attempting to escape and being executed as a result is not 'genocide' or even a war crime, but rather common practice not only in war time, but outside of war too. I'm sure if you search google, you can find examples of people executed or given the death penalty for failed prison escapes.
The issue here, is that these people are being executed (for what would be generally considered a legitimate reason, especially during war time) and it is said they are "brought to the final solution".
Am I missing something here?
Perhaps it is something with the word "Endlösung" having a separate, more broad meaning when compared to "die Endlösung der Judenfrage"
I found this thread, which is possibly relevant:
The Terms 'Final Solution' and 'Endlösung,' Growth in Usage by Year
This term occasionally appears in German, at a low rate, from the early 1920s. Its rate of use was fairly consistent from the mid 1920s to the mid 1940s. What this tells me is that the memorandist who jotted down the term Endlösung in early 1942, its first-ever appearance in NS Regime internal writing, and potentially its coining as refering to the plan to deport the Jews out of German-oriented European territory, was using a then-current turn-of-phrase in German. There is nothing inherently sinister about it. (Here is one instance from the minutes of the Reichstag, 1923. The full text is not accessible but a Reichstag member is apparently using the term positively, to mean compensation to settle a matter for a group of constituents. Other appearances seem mainly technical, dealing with chemistry and engineering.)
I am not any more than a very novice German speaker, so I'd like some input. Is it really as simple as "Final Solution" (Endlösung) being used in a totally separate way here?