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Trump's 2019 State of the Union: Why all the gibberish about the Holocaust?

Postby Lamprecht » 5 months 1 week ago (Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:18 pm)

Despite the fact that World War II is over, Trump mentioned the Holocaust and anti-semitism a lot during his SOTU speech. In fact, he probably mentioned the Holocaust more than any other presidential SOTU speech. He also didn't even tie it back to anything else, which is odd because traditionally it is the democrats bringing up the Holocaust: comparing it to Latin Americans "fleeing persecution" by crossing the southern border. It was simply irrelevant and out of context.



From the speech:
We will not avert our eyes from a regime that chants Death to America and threatens genocide against the Jewish People. We must never ignore the vile poison of Anti-Semitism, or those who spread its venomous creed. With one voice, we must confront this hatred anywhere and everywhere it occurs. Just months ago, 11 Jewish-Americans were viciously murdered in an Anti-Semitic attack on the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh. SWAT Officer Timothy Matson raced into the gunfire and was shot seven times chasing down the killer. Timothy has just had his 12th surgery --but he made the trip to be here with us tonight. Officer Matson: we are forever grateful for your courage in the face of evil. Tonight we are also joined by Pittsburgh survivor Judah Samet. He arrived at the synagogue as the massacre began. But not only did Judah narrowly escape death last fall --more than 7 decades ago, he narrowly survived the Nazi concentration camps. Today is Judah's 81st birthday. Judah says he can still remember the exact moment, nearly 75 years ago, after 10 months in a concentration camp, when he and his family were put on a train, and told they were going to another camp. Suddenly the train screeched toa halt. A soldier appeared. Judah's family braced for the worst. Then, his father cried out with joy: "It's the AMERICANS."

A second Holocaust survivor who is here tonight, Joshua Kaufman, was a prisoner at Dachau Concentration Camp. He remembers watching through a hole in the wall of a cattle car as American soldiers rolled in with tanks. "To me," Joshua recalls, "the American soldiers were proof that God exists, and they came down from the sky." I began this evening by honoring three soldiers who fought on D-Day in the Second World War. One of them was Herman Zeitchick. But there is more to Herman's story. A year after he stormed the Beaches of Normandy, Herman was one of those American Soldiers who helped liberate Dachau. He was one of the Americans who helped rescue Joshua from that hell on earth. Almost 75 years later, Herman and Joshua are both together in the gallery tonight --seated side-by-side, here in the home of American Freedom. Herman and Joshua: your presence this evening honors and uplifts our entire nation. When American soldiers set out beneath the dark skies over the English Channel in the early hours of D-Day, 1944, they were just young men of 18 and 19, hurtling on fragile landing craft toward the most momentous battle in the history of war. They did not know if they would survive the hour. They did not know if they would grow old. But they knew that America had to prevail. Their cause was this nation, and generations yet unborn. Why did they do it? They did it for AMERICA --they did it for us.

FULL TEXT: https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/full- ... 0d24eb05ce



What is the point of this, to get more Jewish support? It doesn't seem like it will make any difference.


Only 6% of Jews would vote for Trump based on his pro-Israel stance:

New poll: Trump’s Israel policies don’t sway most US Jews
https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-poll- ... t-us-jews/

Also:
Donald Trump Thinks the Jews Aren't Grateful Enough
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.pr ... -1.6491820




So why did he feel the need to dwell on the "Holocaust" for a good portion of the speech? Why mention it one way or another?
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Re: Trump's 2019 State of the Union: Why all the gibberish about the Holocaust?

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 5 months 1 week ago (Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:51 pm)

I haven't listened to the address speech yet, but read the above--it shows that this topic of the holocaust is not becoming irrelevant as we move farther from it in history. It's more important than ever to break the myth now, because look how it's being brought up: for pro-war purposes. To me it's scary: for the president of the United States to bring up something, that's a myth, to justify war. I mean the lesson of WWII: good vs. evil (with a little help from the holocaust myth) and how that lesson applies to today.

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Re: Trump's 2019 State of the Union: Why all the gibberish about the Holocaust?

Postby Mortimer » 5 months 6 days ago (Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:29 am)

President Trump can trace his ancestry back to a German immigrant - http://www.economist.com/united-states/ ... tadts-king
If he wants to bring up WW2 events in the SOTU address then why not mention the ethnic cleansing of the Germans from eastern Europe which was approved of by his predecessors Roosevelt and Truman - https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018/06/ ... out-mercy/
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Re: Trump's 2019 State of the Union: Why all the gibberish about the Holocaust?

Postby iceblue » 5 months 4 days ago (Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:52 pm)

I can think of multiple reasons for Trump engaging in Holocaust promotion:

1. After the Tree of Life Synagogue shooting, Trump got lots of criticism from the left (both left wing Jews and gentiles) trying to blame him for contributing to the shooting because of his supposed enabling of "neo-nazis" (meaning his support for immigration patriots and building a wall). While this criticism is without merit, Trump still wants to counteract it. While right wing zionist jews love Trump, nothing brings right wing jews and left wing jews together like promoting the holocaust.

2. Promoting the holocaust is a big part of right wing zionist strategy for selling America on a war with Iran. Trump can't admit that the drive to destroy Iran is part of the Oded Yinon plan (the plan in which the Israel Lobby gets America to destroy all potential regional power in the middle east in order to secure total Israeli hegemony). No the truth won't sell this war. But the holocaust might.

3. Shoring up support among Republican Zionist. Polling shows that 79% of Republican voters are Zionists (and support is holding steady at that number). Only around 27% of Democrat voters are Zionists (and that number is declining).
Source: https://hooktube.com/SDx2gOzcclY?t=722

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Re: Trump's 2019 State of the Union: Why all the gibberish about the Holocaust?

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 5 months 4 days ago (Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:26 pm)

Hi Iceblue,

Interesting post. Hope to see you posting here more. I found it interesting that the (very Jewish) San Francisco Chronicle headline the next day was almost a pro-Trump headline. Something like "Trump Stresses Unity." and I'd never seen anything but anti-Trump articles in that paper. What you said is the reason.

Thanks also to Lamprecht for the original post.

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Re: Trump's 2019 State of the Union: Why all the gibberish about the Holocaust?

Postby iceblue » 4 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:20 pm)

Hi Carto's CS,

Glad to hear you found my post interesting. I should also point out that Trump is probably a true believer in the Holocaust. I doubt he actually knows about the Yinon plan (based on his apparent desire to pull troops out of Syria). So Trumps push for war with Iran is probably because he believes the war propaganda that attacking Iran the only way to prevent Iran from trying to repeat the holocaust.

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Re: Trump's 2019 State of the Union: Why all the gibberish about the Holocaust?

Postby Moderator » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:45 pm)

OK, all:
Let's keep your posts "holocaust" narrative related as was the OP by Lamprecht.
I clipped a couple of posts that definitely were not. Sorry clippees, you know the drill here.
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Re: Trump's 2019 State of the Union: Why all the gibberish about the Holocaust?

Postby nsv » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:02 am)

Trump just does as his masters command. Like all US leaders before him.

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Re: Trump's 2019 State of the Union: Why all the gibberish about the Holocaust?

Postby stinky » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:51 pm)

The J references are laid on so thick - it almost comes across as parody
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled

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Re: Trump's 2019 State of the Union: Why all the gibberish about the Holocaust?

Postby Hektor » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:02 am)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:I haven't listened to the address speech yet, but read the above--it shows that this topic of the holocaust is not becoming irrelevant as we move farther from it in history.

... Contrary to what we are being told by those that see no value in Holocaust Revisionism.
Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:It's more important than ever to break the myth now, because look how it's being brought up: for pro-war
To me it's scary: for the president of the United States to bring up something, that's a myth, to justify war. I mean the lesson of WWII: good vs. evil (with a little help from the holocaust myth) and how that lesson applies to today.

Indeed. Some old German said that "As we know, Auschwitz justifies Everything". And present day politicians have used it to justify several wars already. The Gulf War, bombing in Yugoslavia. Others can easily follow.

Heiko Maas motivated his engagement in politics with "Auschwitz":
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12286&p=91291&hilit=Maas#p91291

Of course he weaponized the Myth already as well:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12056&hilit=Maas

iceblue wrote:Glad to hear you found my post interesting. I should also point out that Trump is probably a true believer in the Holocaust.

Now, I won't be too sure about that. He possibly knows about the problems with the evidence and the narrative itself. But won't touch too much on it neither, realizing the repercussions public disputing does have. I recall that on one "Holocaust Day", he didn't explicitly mention Jews and that already had repercussions.

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Re: Trump's 2019 State of the Union: Why all the gibberish about the Holocaust?

Postby Kohlhaas » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:26 am)

iceblue wrote:I can think of multiple reasons for Trump engaging in Holocaust promotion:

1. After the Tree of Life Synagogue shooting, Trump got lots of criticism from the left (both left wing Jews and gentiles) trying to blame him for contributing to the shooting because of his supposed enabling of "neo-nazis" (meaning his support for immigration patriots and building a wall). While this criticism is without merit, Trump still wants to counteract it. While right wing zionist jews love Trump, nothing brings right wing jews and left wing jews together like promoting the holocaust.

2. Promoting the holocaust is a big part of right wing zionist strategy for selling America on a war with Iran. Trump can't admit that the drive to destroy Iran is part of the Oded Yinon plan (the plan in which the Israel Lobby gets America to destroy all potential regional power in the middle east in order to secure total Israeli hegemony). No the truth won't sell this war. But the holocaust might.

3. Shoring up support among Republican Zionist. Polling shows that 79% of Republican voters are Zionists (and support is holding steady at that number). Only around 27% of Democrat voters are Zionists (and that number is declining).
Source: https://hooktube.com/SDx2gOzcclY?t=722


excellent observation. clear as gin. thanx


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