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Pithy Parallels Between Climate Change and the Holocaust

Postby borjastick » 1 year 9 months ago (Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:10 am)

Pithy Parallels Between Climate Change and the Holocaust

Not just pithy but clever and difficult for the believers to argue against.

Very articulate and always worth listening to James Delingpole, a British journalist, also writes for Breitbart. He positively rages against the climate change hoax. In this particular piece he shows an article by Tony Heller listing his top five reasons why Climate Change is total bull. So why am I showing this here? Because I have always thought the parallels between the two cases are so strong and if you look at the climate change reasons shown below and then swap climate change for holocaust the case is made. Man made Climate Change and the holocaust are the new religions of the age.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/0 ... _98UQ8kF0g


Climate alarmism is just a modern version of man’s primal superstitions about cataclysmic natural events. But these fears are baseless for there is no legitimate evidence to show that “extreme weather is increasing or sea level rise is accelerating.”

Climate alarmism is a form of Groupthink — or, as Heller puts it, the Emperor’s New Clothes. This Groupthink requires ignoring the evidence and instead deferring to the opinions of a very small body of parti pris “experts”.

If the case for the “global warming” were as strong as these experts say, the debate would be over by now. Instead, all of their “apocalyptic predictions” have failed miserably. What reason do we have to believe them after all this time?

Climate alarmism is entirely dependent on graphs and computer models which rely on cherry-picked or corrupt data. Few if any of these models have come close to forecasting real world outcomes.

The proposed solutions to “climate change” are “unworkable, dangerous and useless.”


Now let's look at the same statements but adjusted slightly for the holocaust hoax.

The Holocaust myth is just a modern version of man’s primal superstitions about persecution of minorities. But these fears are baseless for there is no legitimate evidence to show that “the holocaust is the most documented event in human history.”

The Holocaust myth is a form of Groupthink — or, the Emperor’s New Clothes. This Groupthink requires ignoring the evidence and instead deferring to the opinions of a very small body of parti pris “experts”.

If the case for the “the Holocaust” were as strong as these experts say, the debate would be over by now. Instead, all of their “claims of genocide against the Jews” have failed miserably. What reason do we have to believe them after all this time?

The Holocaust is entirely dependent on unverified claims, dodgy witness statements and millions of 'survivors' who couldn't possibly have survived the Holocaust if it were true, and rely on cherry-picked or corrupt claims with no forensic support. Few if any of these Holocaust claims have come close to proving the claims of gas chambers and six million deaths.

The proposed solutions to “anti-semitism” are “unworkable, dangerous and useless.”
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician

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Re: Pithy Parallels Between Climate Change and the Holocaust

Postby Dresden » 1 year 9 months ago (Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:14 pm)

Another parallel is the accusations of "Climate Denial".
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

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Re: Pithy Parallels Between Climate Change and the Holocaust

Postby Lamprecht » 1 year 9 months ago (Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:58 pm)

Indeed. I have occasionally had debates on climate change, which I prefer to call "The Weather"
I don't know all that much about the topic, but those who debate this subject often rely on various fallacies, especially the claim of a "consensus" and appeals to authority (virtually every scientist agrees, so it must be true). This is not even correct. There's also a huge obsession with "peer reviewed studies" and anything that is not published and peer reviewed is immediately dismissed without even considering the arguments within it.

Also, CO2 is not even bad, it's no "pollutant" and I don't think we should be alarmed that it is increasing.

Read more:
http://iloveco2.com/about-co2/
https://www.functionalps.com/blog/2013/ ... pollutant/


What I think:


- The atmosphere is heating up, this is to be expected as the earth is in a "rising" temperature cycle as the last ice age only ended a few thousand years ago
- CO2 levels are being increased by human consumption
- CO2 levels have been decreasing for millions of years, and are in fact dwindling (this is not good)
- CO2 comprises less than 1% of atmospheric gasses
- "greenhouse gas effect" has been refuted by a few different independent academics
- "over 95% of climate scientists agree climate change is real" myth is a lie based off of a survey of a few hundred pro-climate change scientists. The accurate number is around 50-60% (which means, no consensus)

But here is the really important part, from your article:
The proposed solutions to “climate change” are “unworkable, dangerous and useless.”
Nobody likes pollution, and I support reducing it to as close to 0 as possible. But the climate alarmists have terrible "solutions" to the problems they claim exist. Their predictions always turn out to be nonsense as well. Whenever I talk to a climate change believer, it seems like I'm talking to a cult member.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
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Re: Pithy Parallels Between Climate Change and the Holocaust

Postby Moderator » 1 year 9 months ago (Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:23 pm)

Just what I was afraid of, that we would end up debating the merits of 'global warming caused by increased CO2 emissions' rather than the point of the OP.

transparency: Your humble moderator does not accept the leftist claims that 'CO2 will destroy the planet in 12 years'.

BUT the thread, as intended by borjastick, should be about the similarities in the repression of debate and attacks upon those who reject the claims made of CO2 compared to the repression of debate and attacks upon those who reject the claims about the "holocaust" narrative.

I suppose it's difficult, but let's at least give it a shot.
Thanks, M1

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Re: Pithy Parallels Between Climate Change and the Holocaust

Postby borjastick » 1 year 9 months ago (Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:43 am)

Totally agree Mr Mod, my point was to show how the same arguments fit both religions and that as religions anyone who doesn't agree is persecuted as a heretic.

Just read the five points and my holocaust versions of same and the point is made chaps.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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The Global-Warming/Climate-Change Hoax - The Hoax of the Twenty-First Century? - John Wear

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:16 pm)

John Wear has an article in Inconvenient History v.12 n.3 calling Climate Change the "Hoax" of the Twenty-First Century. But I'd say the Coronavirus hysteria is certainly in 2nd place at least for that title at the very least.

The Global-Warming/Climate-Change Hoax
The Hoax of the Twenty-First Century?

By John Wear
Published: 2020-07-21

We have been told repeatedly by governments, institutions and the media that we are facing a looming environmental disaster of epic proportions due to manmade climate change. We are told that unless society makes radical changes to our lives, we will face an increasing number of floods, hurricanes, tornadoes and other environmental calamities.
https://codoh.com/library/document/glob ... e_hoax/en/



And has anyone been paying attention to Bill Gates? He appears to be trying to act like a God, always trying to save the world. Because his software and OS worked out so well... :P

Bill Gates wants to end "Global Warming" with a weird "Chemical Cloud": http://archive.vn/GkulY
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23 July 2020, Bill Gates says "Multiple vaccine doses could be necessary to protect from Coronavirus" according to CBS: http://archive.vn/bMv50

A YouTuber named "Tony Heller" who also runs a blog mostly about "Climate Change" has a lot of videos disputing the mass media's narrative. Lately, though he has been talking a lot about the Coronavirus hysteria. I don't remember which video it was, but he said at least once that he is of Jewish descent.

YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/user/TonyHeller1
Blog: https://realclimatescience.com

His latest video:
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
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Re: Pithy Parallels Between Climate Change and the Holocaust

Postby borjastick » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:17 am)

I've been watching Tony Heller for some years now. he speaks a lot of sense and always backs his claims with data and scientific evidence from the past in terms of climate change and the modern lies used to force feed us the scam. Exact parallels can be applied to the holocaust scam.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: Pithy Parallels Between Climate Change and the Holocaust

Postby Hektor » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:00 pm)

Dresden wrote:Another parallel is the accusations of "Climate Denial".

I marvelled about this as well, when I heard it. Also the demand for persecuting climate deniers by some is a parallel.

"The science is settled" => "All serious Historians say" .... is another parallel. Effectively that's an appeal to authority, combined with an ad populum. A fallacy of relevance. For the issue at hand it is irrelevant what people believe about it. What matters is what are/were the real facts. What claims are proven and which are not? What is plausible and what isn't etc. On the other hand this isn't really a science issue, since what is at hand is "what policy does a country/the world ought to follow". For the Climidiots it's about controlled economy, environmental policy and being nosy about so-called carbon foot prints. For the Holocaustards it's about pushing/shielding political and social interests of Jews, Zionism, militant leftism, cultural Marxism etc. I'm not sure if anyone seriously buys that it is about "tolerance" and "fighting racism" for them.

Commonality is that it should about historical data and physical facts on a matter. Difference is that Climate Alarmism is about a causal relationship (between human CO2 production and climate), while the Holocaust is about Judeocide via gas chambers in the past. OK, that should be the scientific interest in the issue. But listen to someone under the Holocaust Hex:"It doesn't matter if Hitler murdered six or six million, six would be just as evil!".

Well, if Hitler did indeed get six Jews killed, why the theatre around it? Why the special pleading? Since you don't seem to give a damn, when any of the thousands of other administrations did use violence/deadly force against their foes, I'm assuming the Adolf Hitler and his National Socialist followers are something special to you.

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Re: Pithy Parallels Between Climate Change and the Holocaust

Postby Turpitz » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:34 pm)

"Global Warming", or geo-engineered "Climate Change" was initiated by the Club of Rome: https://clubofrome.org/

The Club of Budapest are also heavily involved with this. As usual Bill Gates is up to his neck in it also.

"Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level."
- excerpt, UN Agenda 21

Agenda 21 – The UN Blueprint for the 21st Century

They even published a book on it called The 'First Global Revolution - 1991'. To destroy soverign nations annd cultures (both seen as hideous and disgusting traits by Communists)they had to create a global problem, which will then lead to inter-nation collaboration and eventually Global Governance. The United Nations are the main Trojan Horse for this with their Agenda 21/30. "Green" bullshit is what's known as "The New Red". This green neo-Marxist crap will be used to deindustrilize the wealthy western nations and destroy their self sufficiency making them dependent and poor. dependency means controllable. Their wealth will be stripped and they shall become third world shitholes. All shall be equal, but at the bottom.

If anyone should like to understand the intentions of Agenda 21 this is a very good introduction:

There was an amazing site called: The Green Agenda.com. But it has been deleted during these last few weeks, Google has even deleted the cache! I have found an archive of this site on DuckDuckgo. It can be found here:

https://archive.vn/mGpp

This plan will remove all forms of natural fuel from the average pinter under the guise of "Saving the Planet", what's known as 'Green-washing'. The only source of power/energy will be via the S.M.A.R.T. grid (which is being installed at a rapid pace) as electricity isn't a physical commodity its usage will need to be monitored via 5G and S.M.A.R.T. technology. Everytime you so much as breathe it will squeal you up and you will be fined/ punished. This all goes hand-in-hand with the removal of cash from society which will render you a total slave. Because if you do any wrong you can then be turned of remotely and become a social leper at the flick of a switch. As because the only way you will be able to purchase food/ goods, or anything will be electronically. A perfect slave system.


The freak weather is manufactured by S.A.I (Stratopheric Aerosol Injection), S.R.M. (Solar Radiation Management). Unisys have installed a NEXRAD ((Next-Generation Radar/ Doppler) system of Ionosphere heaters right across America and can create any weather they want. They manipulate the weather, blame you for living/ breathing, then strip you of every right or freedom you had!

Scum like Bill Gates, David Keith, Alan Robock and Ken Caldeira will all try and promote the notion ther geo-engineering is only in an experimental stage. The truth being it has been going on for seventy years. Geo-engineering is Climate Change. It is making you all ill as well with ailments like dementia, Alzheimers, Parkinsons and a myriad of other neurological disorders going through-the-roof because one of the main ingredients of what these eugenicists are spraying is aluminum, which is a neuro-toxin.

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Re: Pithy Parallels Between Climate Change and the Holocaust

Postby Hektor » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:32 am)

IMO this all is mostly about funding and control.

The Holocaust Industry first secured funding from the Jewish community (while there was of course common interest with the Allied side in WW2) to get things going there. The Allied had "War Crimes Trials" for purely self-serving reason as to try to look like the "good side" of WW2 as well as creating the socio-psychological means to control the German population also after they recovered from the After-Shock of WW2. And since that wheel is spinning the scam continues ever after (I doubt for too long though).

"As for climate change" who is actually employing "climate scientists"? It's universities and perhaps some public research institutes. Not sure whether the private sector is employing them as consultants.
Anyway, to get more positions for climate scientists the government (which has to extract the money from the people) must be milked for funding. Add to that research projects and perhaps a "need" for consultants by private companies as well, this all will require a hype which needs a sensation-stories carousel so a useful narrative can be spun and kept going. A secondary spin-off is all that crap relating to "carbon-footprint" reduction.

From the political POV this is interesting as to further more taxation from the gullible tax payers, more control of private and economic activity. And of course newly polished importance for "climate activist" either running for office, in office of working as an activist for an NGO. They of course all have a motive to convince others that the narrative is somehow true. And that "mankind" is in danger of being wiped out by a few degrees extra on the thermometers.

The advantage of both narratives is that the ordinary person can't refute the claims out of hand. And even, if they ask for evidence, they'll be clubbed over the head with the usual platitudes: "Haven't you seen the pictures of drowning polar bears?" - "All serious scientists say" - "Everybody else does believe it - you think you're the only one that knows it all". Sounds familiar?!

Readers of this forum may find the following lecture interesting in this regard: https://archive.org/details/dr.-terence ... bjectivity

Add to that "You are a climate denying conspiracy theorist" and the cake is round again.

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Re: Pithy Parallels Between Climate Change and the Holocaust

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:02 am)

borjastick wrote:I've been watching Tony Heller for some years now. he speaks a lot of sense and always backs his claims with data and scientific evidence from the past in terms of climate change and the modern lies used to force feed us the scam. Exact parallels can be applied to the holocaust scam.


Do you think he will get banned soon? They are even censoring Jews now :lol:
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
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