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5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Lamprecht » 1 year 6 months ago (Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:30 am)

I did not see a dedicated thread to this. This document seems to refute the allegation that AR was some sort of extermination plan. The top secret 1944 Odilo Globočnik report to Himmler, along with its addendum suggests the AR system was primarily devoted to wealth seizure and also mentions that the people relocated "will receive a suitable compensation" which, obviously, would not make sense in the context of extermination.

From "The Gas Chambers of Sherlock Holmes" by Samuel Crowell: https://archive.org/stream/TheGasChambe ... l_djvu.txt
5.1 Globocnik Report to Himmler, 4024-PS
Globocnik’s report to Himmler is dated at the beginning of January 1944, and provides a detailed discussion of the economic aspects of the Reinhardt operation, above all enumerating the wealth seized from the deported Jews — about 100 million RM, equal to $40 million USD at that time. The report itemizes the deportation, employment of manpower, exploitation of property, and the seizure of hidden goods. Unfortunately, the document, except on money matters, is light on details, so it is hard to establish with any certainty the fate of the Jewish deportees. Of course, the traditional view insists that the “deportation” was merely code for mass murder, but Globocnik says nothing about exterminations in this top-secret report. On the other hand, the report also makes clear that tens of thousands of Jews are being employed at a variety of camps, among those mentioned Poniatowa, Budzyn, Trawniki, Radom, Plaszow (outside of Krakow, the site of Schindler’s List), and several camps in the vicinity of Lublin, but not including Majdanek.

The value of the report to traditional historians is that it outlines the plunder aspect of Reinhardt. I would suggest that the value of the report to revisionists is that it outlines the true nature of Reinhardt : a program for seizing, registering, and processing Polish Jews in camps and ghettos, along with some population transfers of Poles, ethnic Germans, and Ukrainians in southeast Poland. The document is also important because it describes many sites of Jewish forced labor, which bear further study. Furthermore, the bulk of these Jewish forced laborers must have been “processed” through the Reinhardt camps at Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec, which means that Reinhardt could not have been an extermination program, at least not in a complete sense.

5.2 Globocnik Report, Addendum

At the end of the document Globocnik itemizes seven points with roman numerals. For some reason, roman seven (VII) is missing from the most commonly available version of the document, but Robert Faurisson located it 25 years ago. It reads:

VII. The office is considering giving to relocated persons a certificate of what they will have left behind in the way of houses, farms, livestock and belongings of which inventory may be made, without, however, making any commitment for an obligatory compensation thereof. The future will decide whether such compensation must ensue some day in Brazil or in the Far East. It is only necessary to give transferred persons the feeling that there will ensue, later on, an indemnity for possessions left behind.

It is not obvious why this paragraph has been omitted, but the truncating of documents from the time of the Nuremberg trials is not something that should surprise. The typical source for both the International Military Tribunal (IMT) and the twelve trials of the Nuremberg Military Tribunal (NMT) is three sets of books produced under American auspices that in most cases provide severely edited versions of both documents and testimony Since the Americans were prosecutors, it is to be expected that the sets would show the selective bias of the prosecutors. However, all of the materials, including the complete transcripts, document collections, and preliminary interrogations, are available at the United States National Archives (NARA), and it is there that Faurisson made his discovery.

The missing paragraph supports the idea that the deportees are still living. On the other hand, since Globocnik’s report also includes some discussion of ethnic German and Polish population movements, one could argue that this paragraph pertains to them. However, the reference to future compensation in places like Brazil and the Far East presupposes emigration, and therefore I am fairly certain that Globocnik had in mind the future claims of plundered Polish Jews.

The report can be found at the following link:

Aktion Reinhardt, Globocnik Report, Himmler Reply
https://codoh.com/library/document/894/

A letter from Samuel Crowell to David Irving highlights the points quite well:
Dear Mr. Irving:

Bearing in mind your ongoing interest in matters pertaining to the Holocaust I attach a lengthy report on Aktion Reinhardt written and compiled by Odilo Globocnik for RFSS Heinrich Himmler at the end of 1943. The report, as 4024-PS, is part of the Nuremberg record.

Although the document is rather long, I think you will agree that it provides a quite different picture of Aktion Reinhardt than we normally receive.

A few points of interest:

1. The Aktion seems to have been part of an overall expulsion and resettlement policy whereby not only Jews but also Poles and Ukrainians were being moved around by the Germans for the purposes of streamlining the ethnic composition of the area. In this respect the Aktion bears comparison to the expulsions carried out against the Germans after the war.
2. The Aktion also involved, as did the expulsions, the rather complete plundering of wealth.
3. Unlike the expulsions, however, the Aktion involved the exploitation of Jewish labor in a number of industries. Needless to say, this usage is at least not compatible with any extermination policy in the form that is usually claimed.
4. Globocnik makes several references either to the need for disinfection and sanitation or to the fact that many deportees were afflicted with spotted fever (typhus). These circumstances could have at least accounted for a significant percentage of the many lives that were no doubt lost in the course of the Aktion.
5. The reference to establishing agents on the sites of the former Aktion camps for purposes of surveillance appears to be connected with the fact that the camps (e.g., Belzec) were located on what was to be the future border of German settlement, and such surveillance would be necessary for the purpose of monitoring any return of deportees.
6. This is a top secret report for Heinrich Himmler: while there are references to rumor mongers, as well as to the rough treatment of Jewish people, there are no references to an extermination program, or to the materials needed to operate such a program. Even if we accept the thesis of code words, I would be hard-pressed to find any code words herein that refer to a program of extermination, far less one calling for the use of poison gas.
7. The only historical treatment of the Aktion Reinhardt that I know of is Yitzhak Arad's "Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Camps", Indiana UP: 1974. Like most orthodox Holocaust historians, Arad refers to the Aktion throughout as "Reinhard", and further offers the fanciful explanation that the Aktion was named in honor of the head of the RSHA, Reinhard Heydrich, who was assassinated in June of 1942. It is hard to understand why Arad persists in this error, since he quotes brief extracts of this document no less than half a dozen times in his book.

There is certainly much in this report that is not of much interest, but, under the circumstances, I think it best that the entire document should be available for consultation.


Globocnik supposedly used a cyanide capsule to commit suicide, shortly after being captured by the British.
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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Lamprecht » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:12 pm)

From: viewtopic.php?t=12920
Faurisson discusses where the document is found and discussed at Nuremberg:
At the Nuremberg trial, the prosecution used the selection of documents grouped under classification mark PS-4024 (published in Trial of the Major War Criminals [IMT] vol. XXXIV, p. 58-92), which concerns the economic part of Aktion Reinhardt. The matter was brought up during the hearings of August 5, 6 and 16, 1946. For its treatment in the August 5 session, pages 318-327 in volume XX of the English IMT are to be consulted (German version: p. 349-359). In the same volume XX, pages 422-424 contain its handling on August 6 (German version: p. 460-462). The relevant transcript from August 16 is to be found on pages 239-241 of volume XXI (German version: p. 268-270).
https://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/20 ... -1986.html

So, here is the German text (page 58-92): https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law ... -XXXIV.pdf
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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby NFrNJ » 7 months 1 week ago (Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:47 pm)

5. The reference to establishing agents on the sites of the former Aktion camps for purposes of surveillance appears to be connected with the fact that the camps (e.g., Belzec) were located on what was to be the future border of German settlement, and such surveillance would be necessary for the purpose of monitoring any return of deportees.

Surely that is a reference to the building of the fake farm on Treblinka, after they buried the site (after they entirely demolished it) and the locals started digging it up looking for treasure.?the treblinka Gold Rush was a real problem for them, as it exposed the mass graves.

I am unaware of any other camps the Germans built where they then demolished them in this way and had guards to keep them undisturbed, and even planted trees to disguise the former camp location. Does anyone else know of one? (Sobibor perhaps?) it seems an odd thing to do int eh midst of the war. It is not as if they were known to be very conscientious about the environment and their impact on rural Polish landscapes.

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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Hannover » 7 months 1 week ago (Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:23 pm)

NFrNJ said:
Surely that is a reference to the building of the fake farm on Treblinka, after they buried the site (after they entirely demolished it) and the locals started digging it up looking for treasure.?the treblinka Gold Rush was a real problem for them, as it exposed the mass graves.

I am unaware of any other camps the Germans built where they then demolished them in this way and had guards to keep them undisturbed, and even planted trees to disguise the former camp location. Does anyone else know of one? (Sobibor perhaps?) it seems an odd thing to do int eh midst of the war. It is not as if they were known to be very conscientious about the environment and their impact on rural Polish landscapes.


- Please tell us how the alleged 'gas chambers' at the Operation Reinhardt sites supposedly worked.

- Please show us your alleged "exposed mass graves". Surely you have photos, no?

- The standard storyline, in contradiction, says that Jews were stripped of their gold / valuables before allegedly being murdered, hence no "Treblinka gold rush" would have been possible, IF the absurdly alleged gassing claims were factual.

- You're trying to hide the fact that human remains of an alleged 900,000 Jews do not exist by making an absurd claim that some locals dug them all up and the alleged remains just magically disappeared, simply impossible. Then we have this claimed mass grave which again contradicts your story:

Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains of 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains exist.
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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Lamprecht » 7 months 1 week ago (Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:05 pm)

NFrNJ wrote:
5. The reference to establishing agents on the sites of the former Aktion camps for purposes of surveillance appears to be connected with the fact that the camps (e.g., Belzec) were located on what was to be the future border of German settlement, and such surveillance would be necessary for the purpose of monitoring any return of deportees.

Surely that is a reference to the building of the fake farm on Treblinka, after they buried the site (after they entirely demolished it)

Fake farm? Interesting. What exactly was "fake" about it in this context?
It makes sense that after a site is destroyed and abandoned that they would still have an "expert" stay there as a lookout. And that "expert" may very well have planted some crops so he could eat something, but maybe not.

Here is the relevant portion of the document, English translation from the link in the OP:

The entire Action Reinhardt is divided into four spheres: A. The expulsion itself. B. The employment of labour. C. The exploitation of property. D. Seizure of hidden goods and landed property. [=]

The Deportation

a. This is settled and completed. In this case the prerequisite was to get hold of the people with the small forces available and to cause as little economic damage as possible to war production by methodically appropriate measures. On the whole this was achieved. Considerable damage occurred only in Warsaw, where, owing to ignorance of the position, the methods applied in the final action were entirely wrong.

I was no longer able to carry out the action in Litzmannstadt (Lodz) myself because of my transfer.

The equipment which was provided for this action from seized goods, which however are to be considered as Reich property, have been removed completely. For reasons of surveillance in each camp a small farm was created which is occupied by an expert.

An income must regularly be paid to him so that he can maintain the small farm.

the treblinka Gold Rush was a real problem for them, as it exposed the mass graves.

I have seen quite a few photos from the "Treblinka Gold Rush"
The quantity of remains that were shown in the photographs offer no support of any "extermination camp killing 700,000+ Jews" - quite the opposite. Remember, the "Holocaust" conspiracy theory alleges that 700-900 thousand Jews were killed and buried at "pure extermination camp" Treblinka II.

The most well known alternative claim is that Treblinka II was a transit camp during WWII (the deadliest event in human history), and it is typically estimated that anywhere from 1-5% of those transited died in transit (probably from disease) or were executed at the camp (by bullet, not gas).

So if we are to take 1-5% of the figure of 800,000 that would be 8,000 - 40,000. That is an enormous loss of life, clearly a tragedy among many others in World War II.

The physical evidence that we have actually been shown, by all sources, at Treblinka II does not even get close to the "transit camp thesis" estimated death toll.

But if something like, say, a pit this massive full of human remains was actually shown at Treblinka Ii:

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that "alternative claim" I mentioned would be completely discredited forever. That'll never happen though.

I am unaware of any other camps the Germans built where they then demolished them in this way and had guards to keep them undisturbed, and even planted trees to disguise the former camp location. Does anyone else know of one? (Sobibor perhaps?)

Yes, Sobibor and Belzec - the other main AR camps - were dismantled.

it seems an odd thing to do int eh midst of the war.

It's not very odd once you consider the fact that it was intended to be a secret.
It was, according to documents [such as the one in the OP], a top-secret deportation/resettlement policy which included the plundering of Jewish wealth. Consider the following hypothetical scenario:
- A small site is created as a stopping point in a massive, forced resettlement program
- The intention is that hundreds of thousands of people would be forcibly sent to this place with their valuables
- It is assumed that thousands of these people would die in the process of being forcibly sent here
- Their valuables would be taken from them, without permission
- If they tried to fight back or escape, they obviously would be shot. They also would likely be executed if they had a serious illness
- Then they were to be sent to some random place they do not want to go to, have never been to before, and might even be used for forced labor

Now, imagine that actually happened (in an alternate universe of course), that there really were in fact thousands of deaths (albeit under 5% of those transited) because of it, and also imagine that there were multiple atrocity propaganda reports in the press of your enemy claiming that all of the people sent there were being systematically murdered under the guise of "resettlement to the east." And imagine also that the person responsible is aware of this, and has concluded that the operation must stop -- either there is nobody left to be deported, or because the war is being lost and these deportations were officially put on pause.

I guess some people might be confused about why the average person would consider such a situation morally objectionable, despite the reality of the situation being considerably different from what it was portrayed as in media outlets.

Once you understand why so many regular, ordinary people would be horrified after hearing a story like this, dismantling the hypothetical camp in this alternate universe makes a lot of sense.

Now imagine a separate but similar hypothetical scenario in an alternate universe where the top-secret camp was set up to exterminate hundreds of thousands with gas chambers, huge outdoor pyres, and giant pits. Even in the top-secret communications with other insiders they spoke of "resettlement to the east" in order to cover their tracks in case someone ever found the documents later. This is a textbook, criminal conspiracy.
After hundreds of thousands of people are killed and word gets out that the camp is actually an extermination just pretending to be for "resettlement to the east", the camp is dismantled to "hide the evidence."
A year or so later the mastermind hears the news that the former camp was discovered by his enemies. He facepalms himself at 300 km/hr after realizing he forgot to tell his employee to type up the fake outbound train records. Oops, the jig is up! :lol:

It is not as if they were known to be very conscientious about the environment and their impact on rural Polish landscapes.

Well at least some of them understood that massively resettling people was a controversial action worth hushing up, even if it's not the worst conceivable thing that one could do to their fellow man.
I guess it's unfortunate that some individuals really do exist that can't figure out, no matter how hard they try, why many people would consider such a hypothetical resettlement operation a nefarious undertaking at all.

A few years ago some idiot named "Reality Winner" shared some classified material she got from her job. It had nothing to do with mass murder at all, or even one death, it actually was pretty much nothing. Still, she was charged with a serious crime and sentenced to over 5 years in prison. Governments and militaries love to keep secrets. Just a safety precaution I guess.
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