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5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Lamprecht » 2 years 1 month ago (Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:30 am)

I did not see a dedicated thread to this. This document seems to refute the allegation that AR was some sort of extermination plan. The top secret 1944 Odilo Globočnik report to Himmler, along with its addendum suggests the AR system was primarily devoted to wealth seizure and also mentions that the people relocated "will receive a suitable compensation" which, obviously, would not make sense in the context of extermination.

From "The Gas Chambers of Sherlock Holmes" by Samuel Crowell: https://archive.org/stream/TheGasChambe ... l_djvu.txt
5.1 Globocnik Report to Himmler, 4024-PS
Globocnik’s report to Himmler is dated at the beginning of January 1944, and provides a detailed discussion of the economic aspects of the Reinhardt operation, above all enumerating the wealth seized from the deported Jews — about 100 million RM, equal to $40 million USD at that time. The report itemizes the deportation, employment of manpower, exploitation of property, and the seizure of hidden goods. Unfortunately, the document, except on money matters, is light on details, so it is hard to establish with any certainty the fate of the Jewish deportees. Of course, the traditional view insists that the “deportation” was merely code for mass murder, but Globocnik says nothing about exterminations in this top-secret report. On the other hand, the report also makes clear that tens of thousands of Jews are being employed at a variety of camps, among those mentioned Poniatowa, Budzyn, Trawniki, Radom, Plaszow (outside of Krakow, the site of Schindler’s List), and several camps in the vicinity of Lublin, but not including Majdanek.

The value of the report to traditional historians is that it outlines the plunder aspect of Reinhardt. I would suggest that the value of the report to revisionists is that it outlines the true nature of Reinhardt : a program for seizing, registering, and processing Polish Jews in camps and ghettos, along with some population transfers of Poles, ethnic Germans, and Ukrainians in southeast Poland. The document is also important because it describes many sites of Jewish forced labor, which bear further study. Furthermore, the bulk of these Jewish forced laborers must have been “processed” through the Reinhardt camps at Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec, which means that Reinhardt could not have been an extermination program, at least not in a complete sense.

5.2 Globocnik Report, Addendum

At the end of the document Globocnik itemizes seven points with roman numerals. For some reason, roman seven (VII) is missing from the most commonly available version of the document, but Robert Faurisson located it 25 years ago. It reads:

VII. The office is considering giving to relocated persons a certificate of what they will have left behind in the way of houses, farms, livestock and belongings of which inventory may be made, without, however, making any commitment for an obligatory compensation thereof. The future will decide whether such compensation must ensue some day in Brazil or in the Far East. It is only necessary to give transferred persons the feeling that there will ensue, later on, an indemnity for possessions left behind.

It is not obvious why this paragraph has been omitted, but the truncating of documents from the time of the Nuremberg trials is not something that should surprise. The typical source for both the International Military Tribunal (IMT) and the twelve trials of the Nuremberg Military Tribunal (NMT) is three sets of books produced under American auspices that in most cases provide severely edited versions of both documents and testimony Since the Americans were prosecutors, it is to be expected that the sets would show the selective bias of the prosecutors. However, all of the materials, including the complete transcripts, document collections, and preliminary interrogations, are available at the United States National Archives (NARA), and it is there that Faurisson made his discovery.

The missing paragraph supports the idea that the deportees are still living. On the other hand, since Globocnik’s report also includes some discussion of ethnic German and Polish population movements, one could argue that this paragraph pertains to them. However, the reference to future compensation in places like Brazil and the Far East presupposes emigration, and therefore I am fairly certain that Globocnik had in mind the future claims of plundered Polish Jews.

The report can be found at the following link:

Aktion Reinhardt, Globocnik Report, Himmler Reply
https://codoh.com/library/document/894/

A letter from Samuel Crowell to David Irving highlights the points quite well:
Dear Mr. Irving:

Bearing in mind your ongoing interest in matters pertaining to the Holocaust I attach a lengthy report on Aktion Reinhardt written and compiled by Odilo Globocnik for RFSS Heinrich Himmler at the end of 1943. The report, as 4024-PS, is part of the Nuremberg record.

Although the document is rather long, I think you will agree that it provides a quite different picture of Aktion Reinhardt than we normally receive.

A few points of interest:

1. The Aktion seems to have been part of an overall expulsion and resettlement policy whereby not only Jews but also Poles and Ukrainians were being moved around by the Germans for the purposes of streamlining the ethnic composition of the area. In this respect the Aktion bears comparison to the expulsions carried out against the Germans after the war.
2. The Aktion also involved, as did the expulsions, the rather complete plundering of wealth.
3. Unlike the expulsions, however, the Aktion involved the exploitation of Jewish labor in a number of industries. Needless to say, this usage is at least not compatible with any extermination policy in the form that is usually claimed.
4. Globocnik makes several references either to the need for disinfection and sanitation or to the fact that many deportees were afflicted with spotted fever (typhus). These circumstances could have at least accounted for a significant percentage of the many lives that were no doubt lost in the course of the Aktion.
5. The reference to establishing agents on the sites of the former Aktion camps for purposes of surveillance appears to be connected with the fact that the camps (e.g., Belzec) were located on what was to be the future border of German settlement, and such surveillance would be necessary for the purpose of monitoring any return of deportees.
6. This is a top secret report for Heinrich Himmler: while there are references to rumor mongers, as well as to the rough treatment of Jewish people, there are no references to an extermination program, or to the materials needed to operate such a program. Even if we accept the thesis of code words, I would be hard-pressed to find any code words herein that refer to a program of extermination, far less one calling for the use of poison gas.
7. The only historical treatment of the Aktion Reinhardt that I know of is Yitzhak Arad's "Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Camps", Indiana UP: 1974. Like most orthodox Holocaust historians, Arad refers to the Aktion throughout as "Reinhard", and further offers the fanciful explanation that the Aktion was named in honor of the head of the RSHA, Reinhard Heydrich, who was assassinated in June of 1942. It is hard to understand why Arad persists in this error, since he quotes brief extracts of this document no less than half a dozen times in his book.

There is certainly much in this report that is not of much interest, but, under the circumstances, I think it best that the entire document should be available for consultation.


Globocnik supposedly used a cyanide capsule to commit suicide, shortly after being captured by the British.
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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Lamprecht » 1 year 4 months ago (Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:12 pm)

From: viewtopic.php?t=12920
Faurisson discusses where the document is found and discussed at Nuremberg:
At the Nuremberg trial, the prosecution used the selection of documents grouped under classification mark PS-4024 (published in Trial of the Major War Criminals [IMT] vol. XXXIV, p. 58-92), which concerns the economic part of Aktion Reinhardt. The matter was brought up during the hearings of August 5, 6 and 16, 1946. For its treatment in the August 5 session, pages 318-327 in volume XX of the English IMT are to be consulted (German version: p. 349-359). In the same volume XX, pages 422-424 contain its handling on August 6 (German version: p. 460-462). The relevant transcript from August 16 is to be found on pages 239-241 of volume XXI (German version: p. 268-270).
https://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/20 ... -1986.html

So, here is the German text (page 58-92): https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law ... -XXXIV.pdf
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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby NFrNJ » 1 year 2 months ago (Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:47 pm)

5. The reference to establishing agents on the sites of the former Aktion camps for purposes of surveillance appears to be connected with the fact that the camps (e.g., Belzec) were located on what was to be the future border of German settlement, and such surveillance would be necessary for the purpose of monitoring any return of deportees.

Surely that is a reference to the building of the fake farm on Treblinka, after they buried the site (after they entirely demolished it) and the locals started digging it up looking for treasure.?the treblinka Gold Rush was a real problem for them, as it exposed the mass graves.

I am unaware of any other camps the Germans built where they then demolished them in this way and had guards to keep them undisturbed, and even planted trees to disguise the former camp location. Does anyone else know of one? (Sobibor perhaps?) it seems an odd thing to do int eh midst of the war. It is not as if they were known to be very conscientious about the environment and their impact on rural Polish landscapes.

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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Hannover » 1 year 2 months ago (Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:23 pm)

NFrNJ said:
Surely that is a reference to the building of the fake farm on Treblinka, after they buried the site (after they entirely demolished it) and the locals started digging it up looking for treasure.?the treblinka Gold Rush was a real problem for them, as it exposed the mass graves.

I am unaware of any other camps the Germans built where they then demolished them in this way and had guards to keep them undisturbed, and even planted trees to disguise the former camp location. Does anyone else know of one? (Sobibor perhaps?) it seems an odd thing to do int eh midst of the war. It is not as if they were known to be very conscientious about the environment and their impact on rural Polish landscapes.


- Please tell us how the alleged 'gas chambers' at the Operation Reinhardt sites supposedly worked.

- Please show us your alleged "exposed mass graves". Surely you have photos, no?

- The standard storyline, in contradiction, says that Jews were stripped of their gold / valuables before allegedly being murdered, hence no "Treblinka gold rush" would have been possible, IF the absurdly alleged gassing claims were factual.

- You're trying to hide the fact that human remains of an alleged 900,000 Jews do not exist by making an absurd claim that some locals dug them all up and the alleged remains just magically disappeared, simply impossible. Then we have this claimed mass grave which again contradicts your story:

Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains of 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains exist.
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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Lamprecht » 1 year 2 months ago (Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:05 pm)

NFrNJ wrote:
5. The reference to establishing agents on the sites of the former Aktion camps for purposes of surveillance appears to be connected with the fact that the camps (e.g., Belzec) were located on what was to be the future border of German settlement, and such surveillance would be necessary for the purpose of monitoring any return of deportees.

Surely that is a reference to the building of the fake farm on Treblinka, after they buried the site (after they entirely demolished it)

Fake farm? Interesting. What exactly was "fake" about it in this context?
It makes sense that after a site is destroyed and abandoned that they would still have an "expert" stay there as a lookout. And that "expert" may very well have planted some crops so he could eat something, but maybe not.

Here is the relevant portion of the document, English translation from the link in the OP:

The entire Action Reinhardt is divided into four spheres: A. The expulsion itself. B. The employment of labour. C. The exploitation of property. D. Seizure of hidden goods and landed property. [=]

The Deportation

a. This is settled and completed. In this case the prerequisite was to get hold of the people with the small forces available and to cause as little economic damage as possible to war production by methodically appropriate measures. On the whole this was achieved. Considerable damage occurred only in Warsaw, where, owing to ignorance of the position, the methods applied in the final action were entirely wrong.

I was no longer able to carry out the action in Litzmannstadt (Lodz) myself because of my transfer.

The equipment which was provided for this action from seized goods, which however are to be considered as Reich property, have been removed completely. For reasons of surveillance in each camp a small farm was created which is occupied by an expert.

An income must regularly be paid to him so that he can maintain the small farm.

the treblinka Gold Rush was a real problem for them, as it exposed the mass graves.

I have seen quite a few photos from the "Treblinka Gold Rush"
The quantity of remains that were shown in the photographs offer no support of any "extermination camp killing 700,000+ Jews" - quite the opposite. Remember, the "Holocaust" conspiracy theory alleges that 700-900 thousand Jews were killed and buried at "pure extermination camp" Treblinka II.

The most well known alternative claim is that Treblinka II was a transit camp during WWII (the deadliest event in human history), and it is typically estimated that anywhere from 1-5% of those transited died in transit (probably from disease) or were executed at the camp (by bullet, not gas).

So if we are to take 1-5% of the figure of 800,000 that would be 8,000 - 40,000. That is an enormous loss of life, clearly a tragedy among many others in World War II.

The physical evidence that we have actually been shown, by all sources, at Treblinka II does not even get close to the "transit camp thesis" estimated death toll.

But if something like, say, a pit this massive full of human remains was actually shown at Treblinka Ii:

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that "alternative claim" I mentioned would be completely discredited forever. That'll never happen though.

I am unaware of any other camps the Germans built where they then demolished them in this way and had guards to keep them undisturbed, and even planted trees to disguise the former camp location. Does anyone else know of one? (Sobibor perhaps?)

Yes, Sobibor and Belzec - the other main AR camps - were dismantled.

it seems an odd thing to do int eh midst of the war.

It's not very odd once you consider the fact that it was intended to be a secret.
It was, according to documents [such as the one in the OP], a top-secret deportation/resettlement policy which included the plundering of Jewish wealth. Consider the following hypothetical scenario:
- A small site is created as a stopping point in a massive, forced resettlement program
- The intention is that hundreds of thousands of people would be forcibly sent to this place with their valuables
- It is assumed that thousands of these people would die in the process of being forcibly sent here
- Their valuables would be taken from them, without permission
- If they tried to fight back or escape, they obviously would be shot. They also would likely be executed if they had a serious illness
- Then they were to be sent to some random place they do not want to go to, have never been to before, and might even be used for forced labor

Now, imagine that actually happened (in an alternate universe of course), that there really were in fact thousands of deaths (albeit under 5% of those transited) because of it, and also imagine that there were multiple atrocity propaganda reports in the press of your enemy claiming that all of the people sent there were being systematically murdered under the guise of "resettlement to the east." And imagine also that the person responsible is aware of this, and has concluded that the operation must stop -- either there is nobody left to be deported, or because the war is being lost and these deportations were officially put on pause.

I guess some people might be confused about why the average person would consider such a situation morally objectionable, despite the reality of the situation being considerably different from what it was portrayed as in media outlets.

Once you understand why so many regular, ordinary people would be horrified after hearing a story like this, dismantling the hypothetical camp in this alternate universe makes a lot of sense.

Now imagine a separate but similar hypothetical scenario in an alternate universe where the top-secret camp was set up to exterminate hundreds of thousands with gas chambers, huge outdoor pyres, and giant pits. Even in the top-secret communications with other insiders they spoke of "resettlement to the east" in order to cover their tracks in case someone ever found the documents later. This is a textbook, criminal conspiracy.
After hundreds of thousands of people are killed and word gets out that the camp is actually an extermination just pretending to be for "resettlement to the east", the camp is dismantled to "hide the evidence."
A year or so later the mastermind hears the news that the former camp was discovered by his enemies. He facepalms himself at 300 km/hr after realizing he forgot to tell his employee to type up the fake outbound train records. Oops, the jig is up! :lol:

It is not as if they were known to be very conscientious about the environment and their impact on rural Polish landscapes.

Well at least some of them understood that massively resettling people was a controversial action worth hushing up, even if it's not the worst conceivable thing that one could do to their fellow man.
I guess it's unfortunate that some individuals really do exist that can't figure out, no matter how hard they try, why many people would consider such a hypothetical resettlement operation a nefarious undertaking at all.

A few years ago some idiot named "Reality Winner" shared some classified material she got from her job. It had nothing to do with mass murder at all, or even one death, it actually was pretty much nothing. Still, she was charged with a serious crime and sentenced to over 5 years in prison. Governments and militaries love to keep secrets. Just a safety precaution I guess.
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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Clay » 3 months 1 week ago (Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:01 pm)

NFrNJ:

Surely that is a reference to the building of the fake farm on Treblinka, after they buried the site (after they entirely demolished it) and the locals started digging it up looking for treasure.?the treblinka Gold Rush was a real problem for them, as it exposed the mass graves.


NFrNJ, I am not aware of any graves, mass or otherwise, that have been "exposed" at Treblinka. Surely there must be proof of such an important discovery? Perhaps you can fill us in on the details.

NFrNJ, can you conclusively prove that there was a "treblinka Gold Rush" that resulted in the "exposure of mass graves" at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - _?_

Were these regular old garden variety mass graves, or were they "magically disappearing" mass graves?

NFrNJ, the maximum number of mass graves at Treblinka II that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains - is no less than _?__.

NFrNJ:

they buried the site


So let me get this straight. The Germans allegedly buried the alleged millions of pounds of bones and millions of teeth in "huge mass graves" then allegedly "buried the site" as well? IOW - the alleged "huge mass graves" were allegedly double buried? Was the sand that was allegedly used to "double bury" these alleged 'huge mass graves" plain old run of the mill sand, or was it "magical" sand that made things buried under it "magically disappear"?

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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 1 week ago (Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:29 pm)

Clay wrote:NFrNJ, I am not aware of any graves, mass or otherwise, that have been "exposed" at Treblinka. Surely there must be proof of such an important discovery? Perhaps you can fill us in on the details.

Here are the photos I could find claiming to be pits full of human remains at Treblinka. In some cases there are no human remains even visible in the photographs. From what I can see, none of these pits have human remains in quantities exceeding what would be expected from people dying in transit of disease. Also, there was Treblinka 1 which was a work camp and had a typhus outbreak at one point in time.

Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II
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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby PrudentRegret » 3 months 1 week ago (Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:13 pm)

I've been reading various documents and testimony pertaining to this Globocnik report in an attempt to disentangle what was denoted by "Einsatz Reinhardt" and "Aktion Reinhardt." I believe that those were two terms that denoted separate (but related) bureaucratic initiatives: Einsatz Reinhardt was an office in SSPF Lublin responsible for the confiscation and management of mobile Jewish property. Aktion Reinhardt was the WVHA initiative to transfer this property from the possession of SSPF Lublin to the Reich represented by the WVHA for repair and utilization. This document supports that conclusion.

I found witness testimony in the WVHA trial attesting to the fact that 'Aktion Reinhardt' was an economic initiative named after Fritz Reinhardt of the Reich Ministry of Finance, and that 'Aktion Reinhardt' was understood by the WVHA to be an 'economic use' aktion. From the 1948 Pohl/WVHA NMT trial:

Q. [sic] Therefore, I assume from your answer that from the type of watches which were being repaired here one could not draw the conclusion that these watches had been taken away from inmates who had been killed?

A. No, that assumption could not be drawn. I myself tried on one occasion to see an order according to which these watches had been confiscated. As far as I can recall, I talked to Melmer about that on one or two occasions. As far as I remember, it was Melmer told me at that time that these watches had been confiscated by virtue of a decree which the State Secretary Reinhardt in the Reich Ministry of Finance had issued, and that was the reason why this action had been given the name of Action Reinhardt.


https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=168648#p168648

The link above shows additional witnesses who associate the 'Reinhardt' code-name as an economic initiative named after State Secretary Reinhardt.

More recently, I've been trying to piece together the bureaucratic origins of Einsatz Reinhardt in SSPF Lublin and in this recent post I briefly lay out the case for why I believe ER/AR was associated with the confiscation & utilization of Jewish property in General Government - not extermination.

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It is now my belief that "Einsatz Reinhardt" was a special taskforce in SSPF Lublin responsible for the confiscation, inventory, and storage of mobile Jewish property throughout GG and at Globocnik's transit/border camps.

In turn, "Aktion Reinhardt" was the initiative to transfer, repair, and utilize this property from the vaults and camps of Einsatz Reinhardt.

My thinking started with this affidavit from Emil Puhl, vice-president of the Reichsbank. He described 'general legal regulations' that underpinned the confiscations and deliveries (i.e. Melmer deliveries):

Since the confiscations were made in the name and for the account of the Reich, only the Reich Government, represented by the Four Years Plan, was entitled to dispose of the gold and the foreign currencies and the Reich Finance Minister of the equivalent in Reichsmarks. Non-delivery would have been equal to violating the law and, since this was property of the Reich, would have been considered as embezzlement of this property.


http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/docume ... uhl%22#p.1

In 1939 Goering, representing the Four Years Plan, established the Main Trustee Office East and gave it the sole right to authorize confiscation of property in the Incorporated and Occupied Territories (October 19th, 1939):

To : The Reich Ministers, Divisions and Plenipotentiaries General of the Four Year Plan

During the session of 13 October, I issued detailed directives for the economic administration of the occupied territories. I want to recapitulate them briefly as follows:

1. The task for the economic treatment of the various administrative regions is different, depending on whether the country is involved which will be incorporated politically into the German Reich, or whether we will deal with the Government General, which in all probability will not be made a part of Germany.... On the other hand, there must be removed from the territories of the Government General all raw materials, scrap materials, machines, etc., which are of use for the German war economy.

4. In order to exploit the territories-and especially those to be incorporated in the Reich-in the best way for the achievement of the Fuehrer's goal, the property in real estate, plants, mobile objects, and the rights taken out of Polish hands must be safeguarded and administered in a coordinated way. For that purpose I have founded a Main Trustee Office East [Haupttreuhandstelle Ost] which is directly and personally under me and the duties of which are as follows:

a. The seizure of the property of the Polish State within the territories occupied by German troops and the safeguarding of an orderly administration; the same applies to Polish and Jewish private property;

...

e. The Main Trustee Office East, with headquarters in Berlin as well as with Reich Minister Frank,* will establish Trustee Offices for the individual administrative regions immediately subordinated to it. The Trustee Offices shall always keep the ad­ministrative head of their administrative region informed about their activity.

f. In the future, confiscations may be decreed only by the Main Trustee Office East, with the concurrence of the administrative heads concerned, or with the concurrence of the Governor General (supreme administrative head). Confiscations previously carried through by local agencies will remain effective only if confirmed by the Main Trustee Office East. If no confirmation has been expressed by 1 February 1940, the confiscation becomes
void.


The Main Trustee Office may appoint provisional managers [kommissarische Verwalter] to manage businesses or property of any kind. If other agencies have already appointed managers, the Main Trustee Office can recall them and impose different administrators. Managers must have their balance sheets approved by the Main Trustee Office East.

The Main Trustee Office East may transfer its functions to a local trustee office.

5. As I have already stated in the meeting of 13 October, I expect the fullest support of the measures carried out by the Main Trustee Office and the Trustee Offices from the heads of the administrative' regions. The Main Trustee Office East will be in a position to complete its activity in individual administrative regions more rapidly to the extent that this support is granted without friction. Any wild confiscation, and any profiteering of individuals will be prosecuted in accordance with general penal laws and the laws of war. The essential point is that Polish property liable to confiscation shall be utilized in the interests of the Reich, that is, of the community, but not for the benefit of individuals.


In General Government, Governor Frank set up his own Trustee Office that had jurisdiction in GG. The relevant fact is that confiscations in GG had to be approved by the Trustee Office in GG according to legal regulations established by Georing.

Himmler extended these regulations and delegated the responsibility for executing confiscations to "organs and institutions of the Reich Leader SS and Chief of the German Police."

Subject: Cooperation of the authorities of the Reich Leader SS with the Main Trustee Office East

In agreement with the leader of the Main Trustee Office East, Burgomaster (retired) Dr. Max Winkler, I report the following:

1. In the interest of a unified directing and transfer of the economy to the areas of former Poland and the occupied Polish territories which have become part of the German Reich, Field Marshal Goering, as chairman of the Ministerial Council for the Defense of the Reich and Plenipotentiary for the Four Year Plan, has founded the Main Trustee Office East, which is directly subordinate to him, by a decree 19 October 1939 and has appointed the Burgomaster (retired) Dr. Max Winkler as its director.

The Main Trustee Office East is located in Berlin ... as well as in Krakow at the office of the Governor General for the occupied Polish territories.

...

2. The Main Trustee Office East and its Trustee Offices, in executing confiscations-the right of confiscation is conferred upon them by the decree mentioned at the beginning-will make use of the authorities, organs and institutions of the Reich Leader SS and Chief of the German Police, or the organs established by him in the occupied Polish territories.

4. The Reich Leader SS and Chief of the German Police will requisition other property of Poles or Jews upon request of the Main Trustee Office East for the account of the German Reich and upon special request will also confiscate it. The seizure of this property is the affair of the Main Trustee Office East.



pp 718 - 720

https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law ... l-XIII.pdf

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This fact begs the question: Which 'organ and institution' of the Reich Leader SS and Chief of the German Police was utilized to execute these confiscations starting around Spring 1942 in General Government? The answer to this question is Einsatz Reinhardt. That was the purpose of this special taskforce in SSPF Lublin. To execute confiscations authorized by the Trustee Office in GG as an 'organ and institution' of HSSPF Ost in Krakow.

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This idea came to me after reading Puhl's affidavit and Goering's decree establishing the Main Trustee Office East. What was fascinating was that immediately after getting this idea, I found a document where the Four Year Plan instructed the Reichsbank to handle deliveries from the Main Trustee Office East IN THE SAME WAY as the Melmer Deliveries. Note that these "Melmer deliveries" are the very same deliveries that are the subject of this 5 January 1944 Globocnik report to Himmler.

The Reich Marshal of the Greater German Reich, the Plenipotentiary for the Four Year Plan, informed the German Reich Bank in a letter of 19 March 1944, a copy of which is enclosed, that considerable amounts of gold and silver objects, jewels and so forth at the Main Trustee Office East, should be delivered to the Reich Bank according to the order issued by the Reich Ministers Funk and Graf Schwerin von Krosigk. The utilization of these objects should be accomplished in the same way as the Melmer deliveries. The Reich Marshal informed us also about the utilization of objects of the same kind, which have been acquired in the occupied western territories.


This corroborates the conclusion that the confiscations conducted by Einsatz Reinhardt and the deliveries made throughout the course of Aktion Reinhardt were in accordance with the legal regulations governing the confiscation of Jewish property in GG. The fact that mobile property delivered from the Main Trustee Office was instructed to be processed in the same way as the Melmer deliveries adds weight to the conclusion that the Melmer deliveries were also part of this broader legal framework of property confiscations.

It is also noteworthy that the Main Trustee Office East conducted confiscations of mobile property at transit camps where populations were deported to General Government. From the affidavit of SS-Obersturmführer Krumey in the Eichmann trial::

In November 1939, while serving in that position, I was called up by a red notice to report to the SS Head Office for Personnel. From there I was seconded to the Higher SS and Police Leader in Posen, effective immediately after my having been called up. The Higher SS and Police Leader at that time was Koppe. Apart from myself, the other office staff were a major in the gendarmerie, Hagelstein, and a captain of police, Watermann. My task was to organize the transport by rail required to carry out the compulsory transfer from the Warthe District of those Poles evicted from their farms by the District Commissioners, because at that time I was mostly only in my office in Posen, where I received the District Commissioners' requirements for rolling stock... my duties also included negotiating with offices in the Generalgouvernement about the destinations of the trains in the Generalgouvernement.

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There were several field offices subordinate to my office, as well as a transit camp in Litzmannstadt. The purpose of the office was to handle the processing of the Poles on their way to the Generalgouvernement, after they had been evacuated by offices controlled by the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of German Folkdom... In the camp, a statement of property was also drawn up for every Polish family to be resettled; these were then collected by the Main Trustee Office East and - so it was said - were to be the basis for compensating those transferred compulsorily.


Note the similarities here with Globocnik's transit camps. This Lodz camp was:

  • Designated a transit camp for deportations.
  • Operated under HSSPF.
  • Property was confiscated at the camp.
  • Vouchers were created on the pretext that the deportees would be compensated.
  • Vouchers were turned in to the Main Trustee Office East

I am suggesting that Einsatz Reinhardt operated in the legal capacity of the Main Trustee Office East in Globocnik's camps. Globocnik even discusses these same vouchers in his final report to Himmler. These vouchers were used to audit the Melmer deliveries, and Globocnik suggested that they be destroyed. These were the same vouchers that were collected by the Main Trustee Office East in Lodz

This also provides an explanation for why both Einsatz Reinhardt and Zollgrenzschutz were present at Globocnik's camps. The authority for customs was legally distinct from the authority for conducting confiscations. The authority for conducting confiscations was defined by Goering's and Himmler's decrees and vested in Einsatz Reinhardt within SSPF Lublin.

Lodz was outside the General Government, but this camp provides a clear parallel with Globocnik's camps in General Government. However, within General Government we know that the Trustee Office in Krakow took responsibility for confiscating the mobile property of Jewish deportees.

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This property was confiscated by the Trustee Offices in GG and sold in pawnshops located in the district. However, the quantity of property confiscated by Einsatz Reinhardt could not have possibly been liquidated in local pawnshops, the volume was too high. An arrangement was made for the WVHA to direct the final transfer from GG to the Reich where the valuables were processed by pawnshops in Berlin. The volume was also too high for the pawn shops in Berlin to handle.

This is also why the WVHA understood 'Aktion Reinhardt' to be an economic use action:

Q. That is sufficient, Witness, and we will leave this subject. Now, when was it that the WVHA for the first time made use of Jewish property?

A. That was in July 1942. That was when the Chief of the WVHA, Pohl, had a conference with the Reichsbank Vice-President, Puhl, P-u-h-l.

This conference was preceded by another conference between the Reichsfuehrer Himmler and the Reichsbank president Funk who at the same time was Reich Economy Minister. Probably, at the same time, as can be seen from the documents, there was a conference Himmler-Krosigk, the Reich Finance Minister. It will be possible for me, to prove on the basis of the documents, that the WVHA a very short while before that, had not been included in the affair at all, and knew nothing at all about it.

Q. You just said that they knew nothing about it. Do you mean by this the term "Reinhardt Action"? Or do you mean the confiscation of Jewish property, generally speaking?

A. I would like to say as of now in answering this question the following: When the Action Reinhardt is mentioned, then at that particular moment when I was in the WVHA, it could never have been the extermination action. I would like to point cut clearly that the Reinhardt Action, the term as such, was always known to the WVHA as an economic use action, an action where the Jewish property could be utilized. It was approximately six weeks after the conference between Pohl and Puhl when the WVHA received a draft of an order from Lublin which bore Himmler's initials and which was the authentic basis for NO-724.


"Aktion Reinhardt", that term used by the WVHA, denoted the execution of NO-724 which directed the transfer and utilization of Jewish property from possession of SSPF Lublin (Einsatz Reinhardt).

This is an important question as it provides a revisionist explanation for the purpose of Einsatz Reinhardt in SSPF Lublin and the purpose of ER in Globocnik's camps. That purpose was to conduct confiscations and manage the confiscated property according to the legal framework established by Goering and Himmler. 'Aktion Reinhardt' was the WVHA aktion to direct this final transfer from GG to the Reich. This also provides an explanation for why ER had data on arrivals at Globocnik's camps as a source for the Höfle Telegram. ER was responsible for conducting confiscations at Globocnik's camps, so its possession of data on intakes to these camps directly follows from this purposes.

It is noteworthy that Franke-Gricksch defined the purpose of Einsatz Reinhardt as exactly what I have said:

From Trawniki we travelled back to Lublin to inspect the "special enterprise REINHARD". This branch has had the task of realising all mobile Jewish property in the Gouvernement Poland. It is astonishing what immense fortunes the Jews have collected in their ghetto and even ragged and vermin infested dirty little Jews who look like beggars, carry with them, when you strip their clothes off them, foreign currency, pieces of gold, diamonds and other valuables. We wandered through the cellars of this “special enterprise” and we were reminded of the fairy tales of the "Arabian Nights".


ER was an economic unit in SSPF Lublin responsible for confiscating and managing mobile Jewish property in GG, and AR was an economic use action to transfer this property from the possession of SSPF Lublin to utilization for the Reich..

I started a discussion on this topic on the AHF here and have included these details as well as additional details that support this conclusion: https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic ... 6&t=253859

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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Clay » 3 months 1 week ago (Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:53 pm)

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Clay wrote:NFrNJ, I am not aware graves, mass or otherwise, graves, mass or otherwise. Surely there must be proof of such an important discovery? Perhaps you can fill us in on the details.

Here are the photos I could find claiming to be pits full of human remains at Treblinka. In some cases there are no human remains even visible in the photographs. From what I can see, none of these pits have human remains in quantities exceeding what would be expected from people dying in transit of disease. Also, there was Treblinka 1 which was a work camp and had a typhus outbreak at one point in time.

Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II
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Lamprecht, my statement to ]NFrN was "Surely there must be proof of such an important discovery [of graves, mass or otherwise, that were exposed at T II]?

Are you presenting those photos as proof that "graves, mass or otherwise" were exposed within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

Are you presenting those photos as proof that those photos show the result of a so-called "Treblinka gold rush" where "locals exposed mass graves" within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp while "digging it up looking for treasure"?

Are you presenting those photos as proof that "people died of disease in transit" to Treblinka II?

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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 1 week ago (Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:49 pm)

Clay wrote:Are you presenting those photos as proof that "graves, mass or otherwise" were exposed within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

No, I can not personally confirm that these are from Treblinka II at all, mostly they are photos from communist sources. There are no photographs of any mass graves from the more recent investigations by Sturdy-Colls or this Mitchell guy. I only wanted to compile all of the photographs claimed to be of human remains from Treblinka.

Are you presenting those photos as proof that those photos show the result of a so-called "Treblinka gold rush" where "locals exposed mass graves" within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp while "digging it up looking for treasure"?

This photo, which is included in the thread, is supposed to be from the "Treblinka Gold Rush":
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Maybe it's at Treblinka 1, maybe somewhere else. I do not know. It is not even a mass grave as the skulls they have in front of them were clearly moved there from somewhere else.

When photos of human remains are shown, there are no maps telling us their exact location. When maps of alleged huge mass graves are provided, we are not given photographs of the alleged human remains that correspond to the maps. A proper investigation would have this. See:

Mass grave excavation guidelines / The "Mass grave excavations don't produce photographed bodies" lie
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Are you presenting those photos as proof that "people died of disease in transit" to Treblinka II?

If these photographs are indeed human remains from Treblinka II, that is the most likely explanation for the majority if not virtually all of them.

Until we see a pit like this (Wiernik's model):

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It is extremely unlikely that any human remains we see are from entire trainloads of Jews being gassed. Why would they bury all of these hundreds of thousands of gassed Jews into thousands of smaller pits with the remains of no more than 20 people in each? That is not what the "eyewitnesses" claimed at all.

Anyway, this is kind of going beyond the scope of this thread. NFrNJ has multiple threads where he was challenged to show the human remains at the AR camps:

Challenge to NFrNJ and Believers: Why can't you show us the alleged 900,000 Jew remains in this Treblinka "grave"?
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Challenge to Believer NFrNJ to Show us the Claimed Gigantic Human Remains said to Exist in Known Locations
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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Clay » 3 months 1 week ago (Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:08 pm)

Lamprecht:

I only wanted to compile all of the photographs claimed to be of human remains from Treblinka.


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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Clay » 3 months 1 week ago (Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:21 pm)

Lamprecht:

I can not personally confirm that these are from Treblinka II at all... Maybe it's at Treblinka maybe somewhere else. I do not know. It is not even a mass grave as the skulls they have in front of them were clearly moved there from somewhere else... Anyway, this is kind of going beyond the scope of this thread. NFrNJ has multiple threads where he was challenged to show the human remains at the AR camps


Right. But since it was you who answered the post that was directed towards NFrNJ and posted a link to a thread titled: "Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II" - I think it is important to clarify some things before moving on.

I asked you these questions in response to your response:

Lamprecht, my statement to ]NFrN was "Surely there must be proof of such an important discovery [of graves, mass or otherwise, that were exposed at T II]?

Are you presenting those photos as proof that "graves, mass or otherwise" were exposed within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

Are you presenting those photos as proof that those photos show the result of a so-called "Treblinka gold rush" where "locals exposed mass graves" within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp while "digging it up looking for treasure"?

Are you presenting those photos as proof that "people died of disease in transit" to Treblinka II?

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12359#p100404


Your answer to this question:

Are you presenting those photos as proof that "graves, mass or otherwise" were exposed within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?


Was basically "No."

Your answer to this question:

Are you presenting those photos as proof that those photos show the result of a so-called "Treblinka gold rush" where "locals exposed mass graves" within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp while "digging it up looking for treasure"?


Was basically "Maybe it's at Treblinka maybe somewhere else. I do not know."

So I will take that as a No. as well.

But your answer to this question:

Are you presenting those photos as proof that "people died of disease in transit" to Treblinka II?


Was:

Until we see a pit like this (Wiernik's model):

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It is extremely unlikely that any human remains we see are from entire trainloads of Jews being gassed. Why would they bury all of these hundreds of thousands of gassed Jews into thousands of smaller pits with the remains of no more than 20 people in each? That is not what the "eyewitnesses" claimed at all.


So I have to ask you again:

Lamprecht, are you presenting those photos as proof that "people died of disease in transit" to Treblinka II?

And a follow-up question needs to be asked as well:

Lamprecht, are you presenting those photos as evidence that "people died of disease in transit" to Treblinka II?

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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 1 week ago (Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:52 pm)

Clay:
Lamprecht, are you presenting those photos as proof that "people died of disease in transit" to Treblinka II?

No. The photos for the most part were taken by the Soviets immediately after the war.
In one case I included a photograph of clothes, no human remains are clearly visible. In another instance, I posted a photograph with random pieces of wood scattered around. Sometimes this picture is presented in very low quality so that the pieces of wood look somewhat like bones, but it's just wood.

I am not presenting the photographs as evidence of any specific cause of death. I just wanted to make a thread that would have every known photograph alleged to be of mass graves at Treblinka. I provided the best resolution I could find, the caption, and I personally analyzed the images. Anyone else can do the same thing.

There was a war going on at the time and people were dying from many things in Europe. There are two competing positions regarding the purpose of these AR camps:
(1) extermination camps
(2) transit camps

If these were transit camps, the human remains would not be expected to be in the form of giant ditches filled with burnt remains, especially in the quantities (hundreds of thousands) alleged by the exterminationists. If these were extermination camps, we would expect enormous pits full of human remains, not random, scattered pits of 5-20 people. It wouldn't have been difficult to find something like that at the end of WW2.
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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Clay » 3 months 1 week ago (Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:13 pm)

Lamprecht:

I am not presenting the photographs as evidence of any specific cause of death. I just wanted to make a thread that would have every known photograph alleged to be of mass graves at Treblinka. I provided the best resolution I could find, the caption, and I personally analyzed the images. Anyone else can do the same thing.


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Re: 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t)

Postby Clay » 3 months 1 week ago (Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:49 pm)

Lamprecht, one more thing. You stated in your last post:

If these were extermination camps, we would expect enormous pits full of human remains, not random, scattered pits of 5-20 people.


Are you saying, or suggesting or even insinuating that there is evidence that "scattered pits of 5-20 people" were ever discovered or dug up or exposed in any way within the boundary of Treblinka II?


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