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Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby bearstevenlee » 7 months 3 days ago (Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:25 pm)

First of all, I'm a Korean Canadian, not a German. I'm simply interested in the truth instead of how Jews want to be seen and how Jews want Nazi to be seen, which I personally find objectionable. Also, I must say that I'm not generally liked by people. You don't have to like me; you just have to recognize that I have a passion for the truth and grit for unpopular opinions not backing down. I talk online all the time, so I can be thought as having a rather large platform and give you an opportunity to be heard.

I am in a hospital right now, and I gotta have a hobby. I came across about Holocaust, and I agree that there are no proofs that the genocide of Jewish people was ordered by Nazi & Hitler. In fact, on a radio show, I heard about a letter from an important Nazi figure ordering the concentration camps to stop the killing of Jews. Killing Jewish people was done by rogue Nazi officers voluntarily without a central order because Jews were hated at the era with loansharking or whatever. Final Solution was not ordering killing of Jews but simply deportation. Truth is important aside from any other entitled fair rights like hatred, racism or whatever excuse there are. Hitler didn't want to share Germany with Jews; I can respect and support such racism.

I thought we could go over the actual facts and develop strategies (for example, emphasizing burden of proof fallacy and proving non-existence fallacy) to spread the truth about Holocaust instead of the Jewish version being pushed with money and connections. I also find it stupid for governments to restrict the freedom to investigate and talk about real Holocaust.

https://codoh.com/library/document/1066/?lang=en

I read that link but do you have the English translation of the minutes of Wannsee? Wrong interpretations of historical records might be possible. Also, whether Hitler was aware of Jews being killed at concentration camps or not, he didn't order it. It simply wasn't his problem nor priority.

Also, we gotta strategize how to be heard. We gotta emphasize the formal names of logical fallacies. We gotta emphasize that people have listened to the unfounded accusations of Jews just because Jews are victims and this is illogical. We gotta emphasize that facts have to be backed up by proofs instead of by wishes (how they wish Nazi was that evil because they were the enemy of Jews).

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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby Lamprecht » 7 months 3 days ago (Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:55 pm)

Welcome.

In fact, on a radio show, I heard about a letter from an important Nazi figure ordering the concentration camps to stop the killing of Jews.
I have not heard of this. Perhaps it is about a letter demanding the concentration camp deaths be reduced (by better nutrition)?
On December 8, 1942, Heinrich Himmler, chief commandant of all detention facilities, issued an order stating categorically: "The death rate in the camps must be reduced at all costs."

Did Himmler order the Jews be better treated?
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I read that link but do you have the English translation of the minutes of Wannsee? Wrong interpretations of historical records might be possible. Also, whether Hitler was aware of Jews being killed at concentration camps or not, he didn't order it. It simply wasn't his problem nor priority.

Wannsee Protocol text: https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Protocol

More on Wannsee conference: https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

Wannsee Conference minutes debunked
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From the Wannsee Protocols:

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At the beginning of the discussion Chief of the Security Police and of the SD, SS-Obergruppenführer Heydrich, reported that the Reich Marshal had appointed him delegate for the preparations for the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe and pointed out that this discussion had been called for the purpose of clarifying fundamental questions.

The wish of the Reich Marshal to have a draft sent to him concerning organizational, factual and material interests in relation to the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe makes necessary an initial common action of all central offices immediately concerned with these questions in order to bring their general activities into line. The Reichsführer-SS and the Chief of the German Police (Chief of the Security Police and the SD) was entrusted with the official central handling of the final solution of the Jewish question without regard to geographic borders. The Chief of the Security Police and the SD then gave a short report of the struggle which has been carried on thus far against this enemy, the essential points being the following:
a) the expulsion of the Jews from every sphere of life of the German people,
b) the expulsion of the Jews from the living space of the German people.

In carrying out these efforts, an increased and planned acceleration of the emigration of the Jews from Reich territory was started, as the only possible present solution.
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In the meantime the Reichsführer-SS and Chief of the German Police had prohibited emigration of Jews due to the dangers of an emigration in wartime and due to the possibilities of the East.

Another possible solution of the problem has now taken the place of emigration, i.e. the evacuation of the Jews to the East, provided that the Führer gives the appropriate approval in advance.



Also, we gotta strategize how to be heard. We gotta emphasize the formal names of logical fallacies. We gotta emphasize that people have listened to the unfounded accusations of Jews just because Jews are victims and this is illogical. We gotta emphasize that facts have to be backed up by proofs instead of by wishes (how they wish Nazi was that evil because they were the enemy of Jews).
This forum is filled with threads on this very subject.

Some examples of threads I made about it:

Debating: Responding to arguments claiming there are no "reliable/respected sources" denying the holocaust?
viewtopic.php?t=12190

Responding to the "Conspiracy theory" slander // Holocaust believers as the true "Conspiracy theorists"
viewtopic.php?t=12276
"There is a principal which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principal is contempt prior to investigation."
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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby Stephen Cohen » 1 month 3 days ago (Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:51 pm)

bearstevenlee:

You don't have to like me; you just have to recognize that I have a passion for the truth and grit for unpopular opinions not backing down.


I like you already bearstevenlee.

bearstevenlee:

Also, we gotta strategize...


I couldn't agree more bearstevenlee. Let me start with the admonition:

Never, ever, EVER answer the question: "Are you a holocaust denier?"with a "yes" or a "no."

It is the very definition of a loaded question, on par with the famous "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

If you want to know how effective that question is for the jews, just remember how effective it was when used on Mark Weber by Sean Hannity. (Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.)

For anyone who wants to debate the so-called "holocaust," this is issue #1 in section #1 in chapter #1 in holocaust debate 101. You have to be as ready for this trick as you have to ready for the question "tell me about yourself" in a job interview. You know it's coming, so if you aren't prepared to answer it, then you don't belong in the ring.

Always answer that question with a question - ALWAYS!

I'm pretty sure there is a thread on this very topic, but I seem to be having problems finding it (it's not a good day for me research wise.)

There may be much disagreement about what is the best question to answer that question with, but the bottom line is you must be ready for it and turn the table on the person who asks the question. The point is, you have to immediately take control of the situation with an answer that you are comfortable using which disarms your opponent and puts you in charge.

I'll get more specific in my next post.

BTW bearstevenlee, I hope you are out of the hospital and are still with us. Looking forward to hearing you strategizing ideas.

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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 3 days ago (Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:25 pm)

Stephen Cohen wrote:If you want to know how effective that question is for the jews, just remember how effective it was when used on Mark Weber by Sean Hannity. (Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about.)

I have just watched this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbRHrduTvBM

Skip to 4:30
The interviewer says the IHR denies the gas chambers. Then puts up a photo on the screen of crematoria ovens, and claims the Nazis killed Jews in them (even though the "Holocaust" story claims they were gassed and only after that were the corpses cremated) and says that "Deniers" claim those crematoria are fake. How deceptive :roll:
He doesn't even correct them there. Weber could have done a lot better, I think
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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby Stephen Cohen » 4 weeks 17 hours ago (Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:18 pm)

I said in my last post that I would expound on it in my next post, but I would like to digress. Before we can stategize on how to be heard, we have to know precisely what strategies the jews are using against us. I have a couple of things to share in this regard. IOW, we need to know how we're being manipulated. Here are a couple examples. Start with this article:

What I learned from having my mind manipulated this weekend

Simon Black September 23, 2019 Las Vegas, Nevada

There are few times in life when you have the opportunity to witness a master at work… someone who is truly the best in the world at what they do.

Whether it’s the world’s greatest chef, a champion athlete, a master pianist, or even the guy who holds the world record for being able to recite the first 70,000 digits of Pi, it’s always exciting to see the best at work.

Apollo Robbins is the best in the world at what he does.

Apollo has been called a lot of things: magician, illusionist, mentalist, and even ‘gentleman thief’. But he’s best described as a master of the human mind… and unparalleled expert in manipulating it.

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I’ll give you a great example—

Apollo was my personal guest at our annual Total Access meetup in Las Vegas over the weekend; and on Friday night during a cocktail reception, he wandered through the crowd performing various tricks to educate and entertain our members.

And in one particular case, I was the Guinea pig.

Apollo asked me to think of any four letter word, as well as the hour and minute of random time of day (like 2:15 or 11:40), and write both of them down on a piece of paper.

Now, there are approximately 5,000 four letter words in the English language, and 720 different timestamps I could have chosen from 12:00 through 11:59.

So between the two, that makes a total of roughly 3.6 million different combinations, meaning Apollo would have had a 0.0000277% chance of guessing both right.

Those odds are so low he had a better chance of being struck by lightning.

Apollo and I started talking about my selections and he asked me if I felt the choices were mine, and mine alone.

I absolutely did. I picked my word. I picked the time. In fact, just to be sure that I wasn’t being manipulated, I chose my word by selecting from random letters.

There was a tree nearby, so I chose a T. A hotel worker was carrying a bottle of water to one of our members, so I picked W. A person standing nearby me was named Steve, so I chose an S. I picked a random vowel (‘A’) and then arranged the letters into a word.

There’s no way Apollo would have known any of those things—where we would have been standing, who would have been nearby, or how I would have even randomly selected my letters. And he acknowledged this later… he had no idea.

As for the random time that I selected, I chose 7:22, based on dialogue in a scene from the movie Pulp Fiction (which was released 25 years ago today).

Again, there’s no way Apollo would have known that. We’d never discussed it, and I don’t think he had even seen the movie.

So I was convinced my choices were 100% mine, and mine alone.

Yet Apollo opened his wallet and pulled out a small, folded photograph of his bedside table.

Sure enough—the photo showed a notepad on his nightstand with a single, four-letter word written on it. And it was the one that I picked.

There was also a clock on the nightstand showing a time of 7:22. And it was seriously spooky.

Most people’s first reaction is to presume that Apollo is some sort of space alien, time traveler, or visitor from an alternate universe.

But he’s none of those things. He’s a practiced master of the human mind, including the ability to manipulate it.

Apollo is a man of high integrity, so he told me right away that, yes, he manipulated me into selecting those choices without my knowledge.

But it made me think– how many other times in our daily lives are we being manipulated like that—manipulated to think in a certain way, even when we’re 100% convinced that we’re exercising independent thought?

It’s scary to think about. Because in those instances, the people doing it don’t have Apollo’s integrity. They don’t tell us that we’re being manipulated. They let us continue believing that we’re in control.

https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/wha ... end-25611/


Now watch this video clip again:

https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=228 ... count=2830

Notice how he is trying to create the cognitive illusion that you are actually seeing "human ash"?

Now watch the first video clip here (Derren Brown):

https://www.mentalismminds.com/top-mentalist/

It's about mind control.

If you think you can fight mind control techniques with simple education, you've lost the war before it even beings.

You have to fight fire with fire.

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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby christianbethel » 3 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:25 pm)

Have you guys read any of the books from the Holocaust Handbooks series? They're incredibly lengthy, but detailed and informative.

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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby Lamprecht » 3 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:26 pm)

christianbethel wrote:Have you guys read any of the books from the Holocaust Handbooks series? They're incredibly lengthy, but detailed and informative.

Yes of course. CODOH and Holocaust Handbooks are one and the same:
In early 2013, Castle Hill Publishers and the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (CODOH) have joined forces in their common goal. One of the results of this close cooperation was the relocation of the CHP online bookstore to the CODOH website. After CODOH was reorganized into a charitable trust in late 2014, Castle Hill Publishers prepared to become a part of this trust. This transition was completed in late 2015.

Castle Hill Publishers is therefore currently the book and video publishing outlet of CODOH.

In late 2015 it became a subsidiary of CODOH


You will see on the main page: "Holocaust Handbooks & Documentaries: Presented by Castle Hill Publishers and CODOH"
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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby christianbethel » 3 weeks 4 days ago (Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:34 pm)

Whoa, I actually didn't know that. That's awesome!

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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby rene » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:56 pm)

what do you all think about the idea of finding a pro free speech or libertarian group ( in real life, not online) and proposing to discuss this topic. Alternatively, organizing a "holocaust handbooks" book club, in a coffee shop or some other public place. Is that too crazy or dangerous? It would be legal in the USA, because of the first amendment...

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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:34 pm)

rene wrote:It would be legal in the USA, because of the first amendment...


'Laws' against holocaust revisionism should not be regarded as laws, because they violate the fundamental human right of free speech. So having coffee clubs/meet ups should be encouraged wherever revisionists can meet up.

One time I was in a restaurant, and I discussed the topic of Jewish ritual murder (especially about the Beilis affair). Though not the holocaust, the issue offends people, and a man was looking at me. He said nothing, but I definitely was dropping red pills on him.

Controversial issues need to be discussed openly. If people would speak more openly on the topic of Jewish ritual killings and the holohoax, it would stop being a taboo.
If your beliefs cannot stand up to your own sincere scrutiny and skeptical evaluation, they are not worth having.

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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby Hannover » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:29 pm)

JLAD said:
Controversial issues need to be discussed openly. If people would speak more openly on the topic of Jewish ritual killings and the holohoax, it would stop being a taboo.
Well said, I certainly agree.
The sense of power that Jews abusively use to their advantage is given to them, it is certainly not earned.
That power, as fake as it is, can be taken away from them by simply not playing along with the charade.

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Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the 'holocaust' storyline is the message.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby CHoutle » 1 week 5 days ago (Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:02 pm)

Stephen Cohen:

If you think you can fight mind control techniques with simple education, you've lost the war before it even beings.


True, but there is something that has to be kept in mind and be at the ready before you even begin the war. But before I explain, let me say up front here that I do not endorse or necessarily even agree with the article that I am about to quote from. The main focus of the article itself isn't even relevant to this conversation, however, there are a few quotes that most certainly are. To wit:



When we encounter a complex issue and try to understand it, what we look for is not consistent and reliable facts but a consistent and comprehensible story. When we ask ourselves whether something “makes sense”, the “sense” we seek is not rationality, as scientists and philosophers perceive it, but narrative fidelity. Does what we are hearing reflect the way we expect humans and the world to behave? Does it hang together? Does it progress as stories should progress?

A string of facts, however well attested, will not correct or dislodge a powerful story. The only response it is likely to provoke is indignation: people often angrily deny facts that clash with the narrative “truth” established in their minds. The only thing that can displace a story is a story. Those who tell the stories run the world.

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Facts, evidence, values, beliefs: stories conquer all.

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You cannot take away someone’s story without giving them a new one. It is not enough to challenge an old narrative, however outdated and discredited it may be. Change happens only when you replace one story with another. When we develop the right story, and learn how to tell it, it will infect the minds of people across the political spectrum.

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The narrative we build has to be simple and intelligible.

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Most people are socially minded, empathetic and altruistic. Most people would prefer to live in a world in which everyone is treated with respect and decency, and in which we do not squander either our own lives or the natural gifts on which we and the rest of the living world depend. But a small handful, using lies and distractions and confusion, stifle this latent desire for change.

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https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/ ... -this-mess


So much of the power in the orthodox holocaust story lies in the Big-Lie technique, because it just doesn't make sense to people that such a monstrous lie could be passed off as truth and believed by so many other people, which adds the power of the heard mentality to their hoax.

But again, the point I'm trying to make is:

Stories conquer all. You cannot take away someone’s story without giving them a new one.

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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby rene » 1 week 5 days ago (Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:00 pm)

the question is: what are the elements of the powerful narrative that underlies the belief in the holocaust?
- is it the current world war 2 paradigm of the Allies being the "good guys" and the Axis being the "evil" ones?
- what about the belief of gentiles having an "irrational hatred of jews" all over the world (Norman Finkelstein mentions this in his book "holocaust industry"). The belief that jews need a safe haven, Israel, so that another holocaust would be impossible.

These beliefs have been enforced by the mass media, movies, etc...mostly in the hand of zionist jews, for at least 50 years.

What would be the elements of another story to replace this one?

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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby Lamprecht » 1 week 4 days ago (Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:50 am)

I wonder that sometimes too. It is important to have the facts, to be actually correct in what we say. But that certainly is not and can not be enough. Merely disproving the claims of the "Holocaust" believers isn't going to convince the majority of people, who are focused on such things as "expert consensus" or "deniers are biased" or "but people suffered!" or whatever.

From John Wear's new article: https://codoh.com/library/document/6903/

Roberto Faurisson said:
“The belief in the Holocaust is a religion. We have to fight against this religion, but I don’t know how to fight a religion. Revisionists can look at demographic figures, historical documents, forensic evidence, etc., but there is no example in history of reason destroying a religion.”
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Re: Let's strategize how to be heard about the non-Jewish version of Holocaust

Postby CHoutle » 1 week 4 days ago (Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:25 am)

Lamprecht:

Roberto Faurisson said:

The belief in the Holocaust is a religion. We have to fight against this religion, but I don’t know how to fight a religion. Revisionists can look at demographic figures, historical documents, forensic evidence, etc., but there is no example in history of reason destroying a religion.


Thank you, that is excellent. (Though I would call the so-called "holocaust" a cult.) Yet what I see is the constant, never ending discussion of minutiae. Now that isn't so bad in itself, because of course the more facts we have on our side the better, but it is being done to the exclusion of developing a sound strategy to combat the Big-lie.


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