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translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby bearstevenlee » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:15 am)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180961387/

“Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews.”

That quote is questionable in 1. whether the word annihilation is correctly translated. 2. whether he meant killing Jews or getting rid of Jews via deportation.

“With respect of the Jewish Question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought about a world war, they would live to see their annihilation in it."

The same problem.

Completely no proof that Nazi ordered genocide. Just relaying the lies by Jews without questioning it.

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Hannover » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:37 am)

Fake translations all around easily debunked a million ways.

The most obvious is that Jews claim ’6M Jews & 5M others’ went to huge mass graves. Jews claim to know the exact locations of these alleged enormous mass graves where they claim massive human remains exist. Yet Jews, nor anyone else, can show us the alleged massive human remains they claim exist.

No alleged human remains of millions in allegedly known locations to see, no 'holocaust'.

Then there's the Schlegelberger Document, a real & verifiable document which demolishes the ridiculous 'extermination' claims.

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"Mr Reich Minister Lammers informed me that the Führer had repeatedly declared to him that he wants to hear that the Solution of the Jewish Problem has been postponed until after the war is over. That being so, the current discussions are of purely theoretical value, in Mr Reich Minister Lammers' opinion. He will moreover take pains to ensure that, whatever else happens, no fundamental decisions are taken without his knowledge in consequence of a surprise briefing by any third party."

Document's origins. Schlegelberger's undated minute on Lammer's reference to Hitler's ruling is in German Federal Archives (BA) file R.22/52. It was sent to Staatssekretär Freisler and two other officials (bottom left). This document has been published in facsimile in David Irving's books Hitler's War, Goebbels. Mastermind of the Third Reich, and Nuremberg, the Last Battle. It was definitely dated March or April 1942. Lammers was in Berlin on April 26, 1942. See Scheel's report on a talk between Lammers and Meissner after the final session that day (T175/139/7479 et seq.)

in support of the Schlegelberger Document see the Luther Memorandum:
http://www.codoh.com/library/document/154/
Hitler, the 'Final Solution,' and the Luther Memorandum
A Response to Evans and Longerich
excerpt:
"On the occasion of a reception by the Reich Foreign Minister on 26 November 1941 the Bulgarian Foreign Minister Popoff touched on the problem of according like treatment to the Jews of European nationalities and pointed out the difficulties that the Bulgarians had in the application of their Jewish laws to Jews of foreign nationality."

"The Reich Foreign Minister answered that he thought this question brought by Mr. Popoff not uninteresting. Even now he could say one thing to him, that at the end of the war all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer and also the only way to master this problem, as only a global and comprehensive solution could be applied and individual measures would not help very much."

And did I mention that the alleged gas chambers are scientifically impossible?

- Hannover

No alleged human remains of millions in allegedly known locations to see, no 'holocaust'.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Hannover » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:53 am)

In your link https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180961387/ we also see:
This meeting, which would be followed by the January 1942 Wannsee Conference (where the decision on exterminating all European Jews was further reinforced), was hardly the start of violence against Jews. Attacks had been happening in Nazi Germany’s occupied territories for years. What differentiated this period from earlier attacks was “an escalation of murder,” says Elizabeth White, historian at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Yet former Yad Vashem 'holocaust' theme park director, Yehuda Bauer said:
"The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at."
source:
Canadian Jewish News, 30 January 1992.
IOW, they can't keep their lies straight.

- Hannover

No alleged human remains of millions in allegedly known locations to see, no 'holocaust'.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Hektor » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:04 pm)

Words that can mean annihilation in German are "Vernichtung" and "Zerstoerung", while the later is more like destruction. "Vernichten" is actually a military term as well. In that sense it means the destruction of an enemy's military power and ability to do you harm.

Concerning humans the term "Toeten" is used, which is killing in English. What's the original German text in question?

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Lamprecht » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:18 pm)

From the Irving trial, Judge Charles Gray, Holocaust Denial on Trial, Trial Judgment. Section 6.107:
Much time was spent in evidence and argument on discussing the meaning and true significance of a number of German words to be found in the speeches of Hitler and others in contemporaneous documents generally. There was a prolonged cross-examination of Longerich [one of Penguin Books's and Lipstadt's expert witnesses] by Irving as to the meaning of certain German words which he listed in a glossary prepared for the purpose of these proceedings. Those words include ausrotten, vernichten, liquidieren, evakuieren, umsiedeln and abschieben. A considerable number of documents were scrutinized in an attempt to ascertain whether the words in question were being used or understood in a genocidal sense. Irving contended that most of these words are properly to be understood in a non-genocidal sense. Longerich agreed that most, if not all, of these words are capable of being used in a non-genocidal sense. For example, ausrotten can bear such anodyne meanings as 'get rid of' or 'wipe out' without connoting physical extermination. But he asserted that its usual and primary meaning is 'exterminate' or 'kill off,' especially when applied to people or to a group of people as opposed to, for example, a religion. He contended that all depends on the context in which the words are used.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/David_Ir ... ipstadt/VI


From: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2249

[Alfred] ROSENBERG: I do not need a foreign dictionary in order to explain the various meanings "Ausrottung" may have in the German language. One can exterminate an idea, an economic system a social order, and as a final consequence, also a group of human beings, certainly. Those are the many possibilities which are contained in that word. For that I do not need an English-German dictionary. Translations from German into English are so often wrong-and just as in that last document you have submitted to me, I heard again the translation of "Herrenrasse." In the document itself "Herrenrasse" is not even mentioned; however, there is the term "en fallacious Herrenmenschentum" (a false master mankind). Apparently everything is translated here in another sense.

MR. DODD: All right, I am not interested in that. Let us stay on this term of "Ausrottung." I take it then that you agree it does mean to "wipe out" or to "kill off," as it is understood, and that you did use the term in speaking to Hitler.

ROSENBERG: Here I heard again a different translation, which again used new German words, so I cannot determine what you wanted to express in English.

MR. DODD: Are you very serious in pressing this apparent inability of yours to agree with me about this word or are you trying to kill time? Don't you know that there are plenty of people in this courtroom who speak German and who agree that that word does mean to "wipe out," to "extirpated?"

ROSENBERG: It means "to overcome" on one side and then it is to be used not with respect to individuals but rather to juridical entities, to certain historical traditions. On the other side this word has been used with respect to the German people and we have also not believed that in consequence thereof 60 millions of Germans would be shot.
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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby bearstevenlee » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:23 pm)

That website only has the "translated version", no original German.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180961387/

“Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews.”

“With respect of the Jewish Question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought about a world war, they would live to see their annihilation in it."

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Lamprecht » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:25 pm)

Hektor wrote: What's the original German text in question?

The quote is from an alleged interview in 1922 with Josef Hell. There's no actual evidence that Hitler said this.

From Nizkor:
In 1922 Joseph Hell asked Hitler, "What do you want to do to the Jews once you have full descretionary powers?" (1) Hitler, who until then had spoken calmy and with measured words, underwent a total transformation:

"His eyes no longer saw me but instead bore past me and off into empty space; his explanation grew increasingly voluble until he fell into a kind of paroxysm that ended with his shouting, as if to a whole public gathering:

'Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows - at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example - as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews.' "

(1) Josef Hell, "Aufzeichnung," 1922, ZS 640, p. 5, Institut für Zeitgeschichte. The retired Major Josef Hell was a journalist in the twenties and in the beginning of the thirties, during which time he also collaborated with Dr. Fritz Gerlich, the editor of the weekly newspaper Der Gerade Weg.

Fleming, Gerald. Hitler and the Final Solution. Berkely: University of California Press. 1984. p. 17


Fritz Gerlich was, according to wikipedia, "one of the main journalistic resistors of Adolf Hitler. He was arrested, later killed and cremated at the Dachau concentration camp."

We can call it "Fake News" honestly. Reminds me of Claas Relotius, who won many journalism awards... only to give them back after admitting he made up all of his stories :lol: :lol:
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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby bearstevenlee » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:27 pm)

"The Reich Foreign Minister answered that he thought this question brought by Mr. Popoff not uninteresting. Even now he could say one thing to him, that at the end of the war all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer".

If there's an old document specifically saying Hitler's decision is for all Jews to leave Europe, not killing them, it's a good proof.

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Lamprecht » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:21 pm)

bearstevenlee wrote:"The Reich Foreign Minister answered that he thought this question brought by Mr. Popoff not uninteresting. Even now he could say one thing to him, that at the end of the war all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer".

If there's an old document specifically saying Hitler's decision is for all Jews to leave Europe, not killing them, it's a good proof.


Have you seen this thread:

War-time German documents & writings mentioning the "Final Solution"
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12296

Also:

Hitler, July 24, 1942:
The Jews are interested in Europe for economic reasons, but Europe must reject them, if only out of self-interest, because the Jews are racially tougher. After this war is over, I will rigorously hold to the view ... that the Jews will have to leave and emigrate to Madagascar or some other Jewish national state.
Source: H. Picker, Hitlers Tischgesprche im Fuehrerhaupt quartier (Stuttgart: 1976), p. 456. This quote from Hitler is also mentioned in Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution: The Attempt to Exterminate the Jews of Europe 1939-1945 (Jacob Aronson, Inc., 1987), p. 78.


Some more info:

Treblinka - Chapter VI: National-Socialist Policy of Jewish Emigration
https://codoh.com/library/chapter/1790/

The "Final Solution of the Jewish Question" - Extermination or Ethnic Cleansing? A Review
https://codoh.com/library/document/495/
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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby bearstevenlee » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:30 pm)

July 24, 1942 is after Final Solution document (Spring 1941?) is written, right? That's a good proof that Hitler wasn't thinking about killing Jews but deporting them. I will probably lead with that reference in conspiracy subreddit on Reddit. Repetition is important to reach as many people as possible.

I'm doing this as a hobby (I'm in a hospital right now, and I consider helping this a fair justice), but sometimes, Jewish advocators can be annoying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... h=34e813a9

The Nuremberg trials not being performed by the Jews is a proof that the Nuremberg trials should prove the genocide of Jews according to some annoying idiot.

I started a new thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... h=888bcd91

Leading by that Hitler's quote.

That kind of records are more helpful in convincing people.

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Lamprecht » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:08 pm)

Ask them why, after 7+ decades of study and research on "the most documented genocide in history" do we have:

- NO nazi document or recording ordering an extermination of Jews (all "Final Solution" documents refer to deportation, resettlement)
- NO nazi document, recording, or diagram confirming the existence of homicidal gas chambers
- NO nazi document or recording suggesting Zyclon-B be used for criminal purpose
- NO significant ferrocyanide traces in the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" of Auschwitz... but massive traces in the delousing/disinfectant chambers from Zyclon-B fumigation
- NO name of even one Jewish prisoner, with proof, that was killed in a Nazi gas chamber
- Multiple FAILED attempts to excavate "huge mass graves" in allegedly exactly known locations
- Over half of the 20,000 testimonies at the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial declared "unreliable" the archives director, Israeli historian and Auschwitz survivor Shmuel Krakowski
- Survivors of the concentration camps, including Jews, that denied mass killings and gassings
- Documented cases of Nazi "Confessions" extracted via threats, intimidation, and torture


Some good quotes too:

quotes for no evidence or little evidence of the 'holocaust'
viewtopic.php?t=11013

Also:

"Over half of the 20,000 testimonies from Holocaust survivors on record at Yad Vashem are “unreliable” and have never been used as evidence in Nazi war crimes trials [according to archives director & Auschwitz survivor Shmuel Krakowski], Krakowski says that many survivors, wanting “to be part of history,” may have let their imaginations run away with them."
From: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12170#p90773

And some graphics:

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The above graphics really help explain the general arguments to people.


This is a good one:

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More on the elevator: viewtopic.php?t=9315
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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Lamprecht » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:36 pm)

Some comments on your post:
What about the photos are those lies too
Wait so all those skinny dead bodies are a lie. Okay.


A good response is below. From: http://vho.org/Intro/GB/index.html#6

What about those pictures of mountains of dead bodies in the concentration camps?

Here is a photograph of victims of the typhus epidemic in a mass grave on the concentration camp in Bergen-Belsen, taken by the British Army:

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This photo is typical of a large number of such photos often shown on TV Holocaust documentaries either without commentary or else with allegations that the dead are victims of the Holocaust. In fact, it is a photograph of victims of an epidemic which occurred at war's end. The cause of death is evident from the condition of the corpses. If they had been gassed they would not be emaciated and if they had died of starvation they would have swollen joints and stomachs. Any medical professional will see at first glance that these people died of typhus.

All photographs of heaps of corpses were taken in Western camps around the end of the war, such as Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, and Buchenwald, where historians now agree no mass murders took place. Significantly, there are no such photographs taken at the camps in which mass murder is alleged to have occurred (Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno, Majdanek.) These eastern camps were all in areas which came under Soviet control at war's end. It is very telling that the Soviets released no pictures of mass graves or heaps of corpses and allowed no journalists, medical professionals, or other experts to examine the camps. Since the end of the 1980s, Revisionists have been investigating these sites for evidence of mass murder, but the officials have obstructed their efforts by all possible means.

In the absence of authentic photographs documenting mass murder, it frequently happens that photographs of those who died in the Western camps at war's end of malnutrition and typhus are presented as evidence of deliberate mass murder. To be sure, the hellish conditions in the Western camps at war's end convinced many Allied observers that mass murder had taken place, as initial reports indicate. In reality, these conditions resulted from a situation for which the German government was not solely responsible. Toward the end of the war, Himmler illogically ordered the evacuation of the eastern camps as the Red Army approached, which led to hopeless overcrowding in the western camps. By that time, Allied bombing had completely destroyed the German infrastructure, making it impossible to supply the camps with food, medicines, and sanitation supplies. Misunderstandings about the causes of the massive die-off continue to this day, especially among Americans.

The respected leftist historian Norbert Frei has given the following reason for misinterpretation, (from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte 35 (1987) page 400):
"The shock of these discoveries [of mountains of corpses] often led to false conclusions which turned out to be enduring."

There is no denying that a government which imprisons people in camps is responsible for them and so the unjustly imprisoned were therefore victims of the Third Reich, even if they died "only" of disease. However, one should not overlook the fact that by the war's end, mountains of corpses had become commonplace throughout Germany. In German cities there were 600,000 victims of Allied terror bombings. Millions more died of starvation and disease, which continued rampant through 1949. In Eastern Europe some two million Germans were murdered by Serbs, Czechs, Poles, and Russians in the course of history's bloodiest ethnic cleansing. In the POW camps of the western Allies, a million young German men died and millions more vegetated. Hundreds of thousands more were shipped to the labor camps of the Soviet GULag never to be seen again. But the media show only one variety of corpse piles, those in the concentration camps. We should all ask ourselves why this is so. (For more on the misinterpretation of conditions in German camps at war's end see: (1) (2)).

Should the dignity and respect, which we owe the victims of atrocities, depend on their nationality?
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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby bearstevenlee » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:12 am)

I am guessing another false translation, but here's another claim.

high ranking Nazi officers like Rudolf Höss:

"I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total of about 3,000,000 dead. This figure represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries. Included among the executed and burnt were approximately 20,000 Russian prisoners of war (previously screened out of Prisoner of War cages by the Gestapo) who were delivered at Auschwitz in Wehrmacht transports operated by regular Wehrmacht officers and men. The remainder of the total number of victims included about 100,000 German Jews, and great numbers of citizens (mostly Jewish) from The Netherlands, France, Belgium, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Greece, or other countries. We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944.[45]"

What does the original German say?

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Hektor » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:39 am)

bearstevenlee wrote:I am guessing another false translation, but here's another claim.

high ranking Nazi officers like Rudolf Höss:

"I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total of about 3,000,000 dead. .....

Perhaps not a mistranslation, but that statement isn't believed by even orthodox Holocaustians anymore. Their figure is about 1.000.000 right now. In other words that statement was an outrageous lie, and it's agreed upon.

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby bearstevenlee » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:50 am)

execution, extermination, gassing isn't mistranslation? The original German says that?


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