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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Hannover » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:46 am)

bearstevenlee:

When tortured people will say whatever their torturer wants. Your quoted "high ranking Nazi officer" Auschwitz Commandant Rudolf Höss was brutally tortured as were countless other Germans.
I suggest:

How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss
Robert Faurisson
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

even "holocau$t Historians" Reject the fake "Hoess confessions"
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11533

The Hoess "Confessions" and Legalities
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=783

Holocaust HOAX is based almost entirely on TORTURE!
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8603

The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust
Do the 'war crimes' trials prove extermination?'
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html
and:
'The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust, pt.2
Torture' '
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Weberb.html

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No alleged human remains of millions in allegedly known locations to see, no 'holocaust'.
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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Hektor » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:47 am)

bearstevenlee wrote:execution, extermination, gassing isn't mistranslation? The original German says that?

Not sure, if that statement was ever made in German. What was your source for the (English) text in the first place. You post the text, but don't give us any reference. Also of interest under what circumstances the statement was made.

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby bearstevenlee » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:59 am)

I heard Rudolf Höss quote from Reddit, but it can be googled in other places. https://alphahistory.com/holocaust/test ... oess-1946/

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby bearstevenlee » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:40 am)

So, Rudolf Höss wrote one German testimony and then an English testimony. The German one was forced on him. The alliance admitted that the German testimony was forced on him, so they demanded another testimony without "forcing him" this time. But Rudolf Höss already made up his mind to give the alliance what they wanted to hear when he gave the German testimony. Hence, his English testimony is not credible because he was forced to build up a fake story. He didn't want to be forced or tortured anymore, so he had something to gain by sticking with forced lies.

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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:31 pm)

bearstevenlee wrote:I am guessing another false translation, but here's another claim.

high ranking Nazi officers like Rudolf Höss:

"I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total of about 3,000,000 dead. This figure represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries. Included among the executed and burnt were approximately 20,000 Russian prisoners of war (previously screened out of Prisoner of War cages by the Gestapo) who were delivered at Auschwitz in Wehrmacht transports operated by regular Wehrmacht officers and men. The remainder of the total number of victims included about 100,000 German Jews, and great numbers of citizens (mostly Jewish) from The Netherlands, France, Belgium, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Greece, or other countries. We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944.[45]"

What does the original German say?


Rudolf Hoess was tortured before "confessing" to this. No serious historian claims 2,500,000 people were killed at Auschwitz, the "official" story is more like 1.1 million. It is quite obvious this "confession" is nonsense based on this fact alone.

Commandant of Auschwitz—Rudolf Höss, His Torture and His Forced Confessions
https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/35-coa.pdf


Because of his mistreatment, Hoess admitted to crimes he had no knowledge of:
Since I was Commandant of the extermination camp Auschwitz I was totally responsible for everything that happened there, whether I knew about it or not. Most of the terrible and horrible things that took place there I learned only during this investigation and during the trial itself. I cannot describe how I was deceived, how my directives were twisted, and all the things they had carried out supposedly under my orders.


Paskuly, Death Dealer, [Buffalo: Prometheus, 1992]:
Just after his capture in 1946, the British Security Police were able to extract a statement from Hoess by beating him and filling him with liquor.


Another statement from Rudolf Hoess:
During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear. The whip was my own. By chance it had found its way into my wife's luggage. My horse had hardly ever been touched by it, much less the prisoners. Somehow one of the interrogators probably thought that I had used it to constantly whip the prisoners.


An account by Rupert Butler on the capture and interrogation of Rudolf Hoess, includes the following episode:
"The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to [Bernard] Clarke he blows and screams were endless. Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: 'Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.'"(12)



The admission of Bernard Clarke was corroborated by Mr. Ken Jones in 'The Wrexham Leader', October 17, 1986.
Mr. Jones was then a private with the Fifth Royal Horse Artillery stationed at Heid in Schleswig-Holstein.
"They brought him to us when he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activites during the war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a small jail cell in the barracks," recalls Mr. Jones. Two other soldiers were detailed with Mr. Jones to join Hoess in his cell to help break him down for interrogation."

"We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help break down his resistance," said Mr. Jones.

When Hoess was taken out for exercise, he was made to wear only jeans and a thin cotton shirt in the bitter cold. After three days and nights without sleep, Hoess finally broke down and made a full confession to the authorities.



Much more here: https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Höß
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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:36 pm)

bearstevenlee wrote:So, Rudolf Höss wrote one German testimony and then an English testimony. The German one was forced on him. The alliance admitted that the German testimony was forced on him, so they demanded another testimony without "forcing him" this time. But Rudolf Höss already made up his mind to give the alliance what they wanted to hear when he gave the German testimony. Hence, his English testimony is not credible because he was forced to build up a fake story. He didn't want to be forced or tortured anymore, so he had something to gain by sticking with forced lies.


From the book I cited above:
Rupert Butler’s Legions of Death, which re-counted Höss’s arrest by the team of “Bernard Clarke, a British Jew and a ser-geant in 92nd Field Security Section”:
“At 5 pm on 11 March 1946, Frau Hoess opened her front door to six intelligence specialists in British uniform, most of them tall and menacing and all of them practised in the more sophisticated techniques of sustained and merciless investigation. No physical violence was used on the family: it was scarcely necessary. Wife and children were separated and guarded. Clarke’s tone was deliberately low-key and conversational. He began mildly: ‘I understand your husband came to see you as recently as last night.’ Frau Hoess merely replied: ‘I haven’t seen him since he absconded months ago.’ Clarke tried once more, saying gently but with a tone of reproach: ‘You know that isn’t true.’ Then all at once his manner his changed and he was shouting: ‘If you don’t tell us we’ll turn you over to the Russians and they’ll put you be-fore a firing-squad. Your son will go to Siberia.’ It proved more than enough. Eventually, a broken Frau Hoess betrayed the whereabouts of the former Auschwitz Kommandant, the man who now called himself Franz Lang. Suitable intimidation of the son and daughter[10] produced precisely identical information”


The "Confession" is meaningless because he said whatever they wanted him to say. He didn't want his children to be sent to Siberia. Can you blame him?
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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby bearstevenlee » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:31 pm)

The person I was talking to was claiming that his testimony was legitimate because he wasn't tortured for the English testimony, only for the German testimony at the start. I'm guessing his will was already broken and he didn't want any more torture, so he just gave them what they wanted to hear.
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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:42 pm)

bearstevenlee wrote:The person I was talking to was claiming that his testimony was legitimate because he wasn't tortured for the English testimony, only for the German testimony at the start.

If it's "legitimate" why did he admit to 3 million Auschwitz victims, when even mainstream historians claim that is wrong?


On page 54, of Mark Roseman's "The Wannsee Conference and the Final Solution: A Reconsideration" (Henry Holt, Metropolitan Books, 2002) Holocaust believer Mark Roseman makes the claim that "Both [Rudolf] Höss's and Eichmann's testimonies lack credibility." https://books.google.com/books?id=kKrek ... 22&f=false

The argument is absurd. How can his testimony be "Legitimate" if it is not true, which even Holocaust believers admit? There are many issues with Hoess's testimony. He was tortured, and on top of that , and even more significantly, is that the allies threatened to deport his son to Siberia. That alone is a bigger reason to "confess" to anything than being tortured yourself. Hoess himself was a soldier and had fought in war, but parents will do anything to save their children, even if that is "confessing" to something that never happened.

Check out:
https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_H% ... estimonies

Commandant of Auschwitz—Rudolf Höss, His Torture and His Forced Confessions
http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php ... page_id=35
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Re: translation question, what is the word annihilation in German and was that word used?

Postby flimflam » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:54 pm)

bearstevenlee wrote:The person I was talking to was claiming that his testimony was legitimate because he wasn't tortured for the English testimony, only for the German testimony at the start.


Here is Hoess's testimony at Nuremberg .... http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/04-15-46.asp
I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease making a total dead of about 3,000,000.

It is of course absurd. Nonetheless it was accepted at Nuremberg. The evidence: none. The claim was that the Nazis had destroyed the camp records. That claim is still being made today - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz ... ation_camp
The SS destroyed written records, and in the final week before the camp's liberation, burned or demolished many of its buildings.

Following Nuremberg a stone plaque was placed at the gate to Auschwitz stating that 4 million had been murdered there.
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The truth is that the Russians had captured the Nazi records and hid them. Following glasnost they were released. The stone plaque was replaced with one stating that 1.5 million had been murdered at Auschwitz:
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As with the earlier number, there is not a shred of evidence for this number. You can now check out the Nazi records from the NY public library
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The number of prisoners sent to Auschwitz is now estimated at 1.3 million - see https://i.imgur.com/LxOWVCz.jpg1/3
Of the estimated 1.3 million people sent to Auschwitz,


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