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Did Nazi put in any effort to destroy evidences of massively killing Jews?

Postby bearstevenlee » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:22 pm)

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"In the spring of 1942, Heinrich Himmler ordered all traces of murdered Russian Jews and prisoners of war to be removed from occupied territories of the Soviet Union.[23] As one of many examples, the bodies of the 25,000 mostly Latvian Jews whom Friedrich Jeckeln and the soldiers under his command had shot at Rumbula (near Riga) in late 1941 were dug up and burned in 1943.[24]

In mid-1942, SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, through SS-Gruppenführer Heinrich Mueller, Chief of the Gestapo, ordered SS-Standartenführer Paul Blobel in Sonderaktion 1005 to remove all traces of the mass executions in the East carried out by the Einsatzgruppen. After Blobel and his staff developed a special incineration process, destruction of evidence at Belzec and Sobibor followed in late 1942.[23] In February 1943, Heinrich Himmler personally visited Treblinka and ordered the commandants to destroy records, crematoria, and other signs of mass extermination.[23]"

Is that real? Or some sort of translation distortion?

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Re: Did Nazi put in any effort to destroy evidences of massively killing Jews?

Postby Lamprecht » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:30 pm)

This is from wikipedia:

In the spring of 1942, Heinrich Himmler ordered all traces of murdered Russian Jews and prisoners of war to be removed from occupied territories of the Soviet Union.[23] As one of many examples, the bodies of the 25,000 mostly Latvian Jews whom Friedrich Jeckeln and the soldiers under his command had shot at Rumbula (near Riga) in late 1941 were dug up and burned in 1943.[24]

In mid-1942, SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, through SS-Gruppenführer Heinrich Mueller, Chief of the Gestapo, ordered SS-Standartenführer Paul Blobel in Sonderaktion 1005 to remove all traces of the mass executions in the East carried out by the Einsatzgruppen. After Blobel and his staff developed a special incineration process, destruction of evidence at Belzec and Sobibor followed in late 1942.[23] In February 1943, Heinrich Himmler personally visited Treblinka and ordered the commandants to destroy records, crematoria, and other signs of mass extermination.[23]
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23. Arad, Yitzhak (1984). "Operation Reinhard: Extermination Camps of Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka" (PDF). Yad Vashem Studies. XVI: 205–239. https://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Micr ... 203576.pdf

24. Ezergailis, Andrew, The Holocaust in Latvia 1941–1944 – The Missing Center, pages 4–7, 239–270, Historical Institute of Latvia (in association with the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum) Riga 1996 ISBN 9984-9054-3-8


That 1st claim, that Himmler ordered some traces to be removed, does not exist. Where is this order? It seems to be simply based on a testimony. Someone claiming Himmler ordered it. I will do some more digging.

I do not have access to citation #24.

Some info on Blobel:

"Sonderaktion 1005" / SS Blobel
viewtopic.php?t=3973

Also: https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel

Paul Blobel (13 August 1894 – 8 June 1951) was an SS-officer, involved in the Einsatzgruppen and allegedly also "Aktion 1005".

He commanded Sonderkommando 4a of Einsatzgruppe C, active in Ukraine. Allegedly, during this period, he was, among other atrocities, partly responsible for the Babi Yar massacre at Kiev.

Blobel was relieved of his command on 13 January 1942, officially for health reasons, but mostly due to his alcoholism.

Allegedly, despite this, in June 1942, he was put in charge of one of the most sensitive and secret operations of the entire war - "Aktion 1005".

The revisionist Carlo Mattogno has criticized this claim, since Blobel had absolutely no competence in the field of cremation and had only began a half-year course of study at a technical school before joining the army. Mattogno argues that the SS would instead have consulted competent cremation specialists, as was done when constructing the crematoria at Auschwitz, done by the most important German builder of crematory ovens at the time, with the assistance of its head engineer, a highly competent cremation specialist.[1]

He was later sentenced to death at the Nuremberg trials, at the Einsatzgruppen trial. He was executed in 1951.

Blobel during this trial made several "confessions" which have been criticized by Holocaust revisionists.[2]

See the article on the Einsatzgruppen (in particular the section on Babi Yar) and the article on Aktion 1005 regarding general criticisms of the politically correct versions.
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Re: Did Nazi put in any effort to destroy evidences of massively killing Jews?

Postby Lamprecht » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:01 pm)

Yep, the PDF cited does not at all show any sort of Himmler order. It says:
In the spring of 1942 Himmler had decided that in the occupied territories of the Soviet Union, the corpses of the murdered Jews and Russian prisoners of war were to be exhumed from the graves and incinerated without leaving any traces. The same was to be done with the past and future victims of the extermination camps. In June 1942 SS-Gruppenfuehrer Mueller, Chief of the Gestapo, charged SS-Standartenfuehrer Blobel with removing all traces of the mass executions in the East carried out by the Einsatzgruppen. This order was a "State Secret" and Blobel was instructed to refrain from any written correspondence on the subject. The operation was given the code name "Sonderaktion 1005 ". Upon his appointment, Blobel, together with a small staff of three or four men, initiated experiments involving the incineration of corpses. The place chosen for them was Kulmhof. For this purpose the ditches were opened and the corpses burnt by means of incendiary bombs, but this led to big fires in the surrounding forests. Subsequently an attempt was made to burn the corpses together with wood on open fires. This method came to be adopted in all the camps of Operation Reinhard. The corpses were carried to the open fires straight from the gas chambers. At the same time, the existing mass graves were opened and those buried there were also incinerated. This cover-up operation was initially introduced in Sobibor.


The source seems to be only this "Blobel" character (see above). There is no paper trail whatsoever.

This is discussed also in the book "Treblinka":

Chapter IV: The Alleged Extermination Facilities in Treblinka: An Historical and Technical Analysis
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/5.html


Some more issues with "Aktion 1005" from: https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgr ... he_corpses

- The only evidence for the existence of "Aktion 1005" as alleged is "eyewitness evidence”, "confessions” and post-war trials, where such "eyewitness evidence” and "confessions” formed the sole basis of the accusation.

- The testimonies were inconsistent.

- The conspirators involved in the cover-up are supposed to have completely destroyed all large mass graves, yet not destroyed other alleged forms of evidence much easier to destroy (and fabricate), such as the Einsatzgruppen reports.

- Very detailed descriptions/maps of the locations of all the burial sites would have been necessary to find them again years later, and most likely would have accompanied the Einsatzgruppen reports allegedly documenting the massacres, yet all detailed descriptions/maps are missing.

- Digging up the rotting and decomposing corpses would have been much more complicated and resource-consuming than burying them, which already is argued to have been very complicated, as stated in earlier sections.

- The number of men involved in the alleged operation was much smaller than the number of men in the Einsatzgruppen (and due to the extremely secretive nature of the alleged operation it is unlikely that any outsiders would have been involved) and the operation is alleged to have taken place during little more than a year, from the beginning of June 1943 until the end of July 1944. (Before this, during the 1942-43 time period, these units are alleged to have destroyed the corpses in mass graves at "extermination camps").

- Digging up and destroying the corpses would have been essentially impossible during the cold winter months, leaving an even shorter time period available for the alleged disposals.

- Allegedly valuable gasoline was used for burning the corpses. This would have required vast amounts, at a time when the scarcity of fuel for airplanes, armored vehicles and trucks was causing the Germans severe difficulties.

- If firewood was used instead, "To do this on an open-air fire requires an immense amount of fuel, something like 160 kg (350 pounds) of wood per body, at minimum. A modest, 1,000-person grave would thus demand at least 160,000 kg (175 tons) of firewood. And the fire would have failed in the case of cold, rain, wind, or other adverse conditions."

- "And if – as the witnesses report – thousands of pyres were burning during the night despite blackout regulations, no Soviet reconnaissance plane discovered and photographed them – for otherwise the photographs would have been exploited at once for propaganda purposes."

- "The ash would have been overwhelming. Each body, plus the wood to burn it, would produce about 9 kg (20 pounds) of ash; 1,000 bodies yields 20,000 pounds, or 10 tons of ash. Can we imagine the Germans “sifting” through mountains of ash, in the cold and rain, pulling out teeth and bones—each tooth individually inspected for gold, each bone tossed into the “grinder” pile?"

- Open air incineration leaves behind bones, and usually not only splinters, but large pieces of shoulder and pelvic bones. In addition, teeth are not destroyed. These remains would have to be destroyed separately after the burning by large, power-driven grinding machinery, evidence of which is lacking, and requiring further time and resources.

- Even if all the remains were reduced to ash, ash remains as ash for very long time periods. Such ash, or just large scale disturbing of the earth from digging and refilling, can be easily detected by modern technologies, even from the air.

- See also the articles on Aktion 1005 and Holocaust material evidence: Corpses.



Remains simply are not "Destroyed" so easily.

See my thread here:

Cremated remains, bone ash, and water-solubility // the ash ponds
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12278

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In that thread I explain how 400-500 people, if cremated (in a crematoria, not burned in open air pyres like alleged here) only could fit into 1 cubic meter. At Auschwitz, the quantity of ashes that would have been produced by the alleged number of victims, is equivalent of an entire [American] football field covered over 1 foot high... Simply, these enormous mass graves would still exist.

Tens of thousands of people's remains can not be "destroy[ed]" simply by burning them in giant open air pyres. It leaves massive amounts of human remains, which have not and can not be shown to exist!


See more threads on the subject:

https://www.google.com/search?q="open+air"|pyres|"outdoor+cremation"+site%3Acodoh.com
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Re: Did Nazi put in any effort to destroy evidences of massively killing Jews?

Postby Lamprecht » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:32 pm)

I see your debate (your comments quoted in italic)
-- They were just killed by rogue Nazi officers voluntarily or by diseases (no central order by Nazi).

There’s a whole bunch more linked off there specifically about testimony of German officers saying they were told by their commanding officers to do exactly that. Go read the sources.

-- I doubt Nazi put in any effort to destroy "evidences". If they put in any effort to destroy something, it was probably something else, not the evidences of massively killing Jews.

That’s... exactly what I just pasted above. Orders to cover up the killing of prisoners. Go read the sources.

-- Also, if "evidences" were destroyed, there's no evidence anyway. "Destroying evidence" is not a proof for Jewish claims.

Well, when you have millions of civilians that went missing, thousands of people saying they saw mass killings happen, soldiers admitting they did it, and officers saying they were told not to keep records and to destroy the evidence... at some point you might start to think there’s something to all this, right?


There are many testimonies of things that did not happen, and many testimonies saying it did not happen as alleged. Testimony is the lowest form of evidence.

See:
Examples of Nazis denying the Holocaust: "Why Didn't Any Nazi Deny" and the scope of the "conspiracy"
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12287

The Value of Testimony and Confessions Concerning the Holocaust
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndvalue.html

Re: The Most Ridiculous Testimony
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7033&start=45


The claim that "millions of [Jewish] civilians... went missing" is nonsense, there is no basis for this. Many could have changed their names

See some of my posts:
Re: One Simple Reply to "Where did they go, then?"
viewtopic.php?t=8921#p91371

Ratio of obvious liars to claimed "eyewitnesses"? (scroll to bottom)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12170


Essentially, the lack of evidence is supposedly proof that it happened... odd. The truth is, the "testimony" is conflicting. Some Nazis "confessed" (for whatever reasons) and some denied it. Similarly, some prisoners claimed to have witnessed gassings, and the vast majority did not claim anything of that sort. This person is simply cherry picking, and also ignoring all conflicting evidence.

Further, the reality is, if their claims were true, there would necessarily be massive quantities of remains. They do not "disappear" as fraudulently claimed.


Also, we can not forget the torture used to get "confessions":


Do we have evidence of torture to extract confessions?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=974

Further Confirmation of Torture to Extract "Confessions" / from the horse's mouth
viewtopic.php?t=9679

getting the desired 'confession'....via torture
viewtopic.php?t=1121
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Re: Did Nazi put in any effort to destroy evidences of massively killing Jews?

Postby Hannover » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:17 pm)

bear quoted:
"In the spring of 1942, Heinrich Himmler ordered all traces of murdered Russian Jews and prisoners of war to be removed from occupied territories of the Soviet Union.[23] As one of many examples, the bodies of the 25,000 mostly Latvian Jews whom Friedrich Jeckeln and the soldiers under his command had shot at Rumbula (near Riga) in late 1941 were dug up and burned in 1943.[24]


You can't just burn millions upon millions of alleged corpses and have them disappear, in fact the "holocaust" Industry has claimed:
The mass graves were opened and the corpses were taken out, to be consumed by the flames of huge pyres (the ‘roasts’). The bones were crushed and, together with the ashes, were reburied in the same graves.”

- Israel Gutman (ed.), Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, 4 vols., Macmillan, New York 1990, vol. 4, p. 1481-87

A ridiculously impossible story to be sure, but there it is. There are no immense human remains as alleged.

Remember, the claim is that these alleged enormous human remains still exist in alleged known locations.

The dumb 'holocaust' narrative debunks itself.

And good work, Lamprecht.

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Re: Did Nazi put in any effort to destroy evidences of massively killing Jews?

Postby bearstevenlee » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:56 am)

"The source seems to be only this "Blobel" character (see above). There is no paper trail whatsoever."

So, there are no paper evidences that Nazi ordered concentration camps to destroy any evidence of mass murdering Jews. They are making up stories based on true events like Himmler visiting Treblinka personally. As for Blobel character, another tortured forced "confession" is possible. Or, maybe, Nazi destroyed the evidences of Jews dying by diseases or by some rogue Nazi officers killing them. Holocaust revisionists should sort this out, that there are no physical proofs of Nazi destroying evidences or that the destroyed evidences are about Jews dying of diseases.

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Re: Did Nazi put in any effort to destroy evidences of massively killing Jews?

Postby Hannover » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:45 am)

Obviously either Blobel never said this nonsense at all and it's claimed that he did, or he was forced to make such statements under duress / torture, the standard procedure used to extract "confessions".
Either way, and once gain, the story shoots itself in the foot since we also have this attributed to Blobel which is usually hidden away by 'The Industry":
Owing to the moving up of the front-line it was not possible to destroy the mass graves further south and east which had resulted from executions by the Einsatzgruppen.

So even with their ridiculous claim that millions of corpses were made to disappear via burning (impossible, as shown), we have it stated that there are many claimed enormous mass grave sites which were NOT made to disappear, yet there are no human remains to be seen.

Then The "holocaust" Industry says:
After Blobel and his staff developed a special incineration process, destruction of evidence at Belzec and Sobibor followed in late 1942

Yet we have this Sobibor ‘monument’ supposedly built over the remains of 250,000 Jew, the actual remains of this alleged 250,000 cannot be shown.
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The liars simply cannot keep their lies straight.

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."

- Hannover

No alleged human remains of millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no 'holocaust'.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Did Nazi put in any effort to destroy evidences of massively killing Jews?

Postby bearstevenlee » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:31 am)

Nuremberg trials seem to be an inconvenience for Holocaust Revisionism. Whether massive killing of Jews was charged at the trial or not, it was mentioned. Does anyone have the link to the English translation of Final Solution document? I can't find it in CODOH library.

https://codoh.com/library/document/1170/?lang=en
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For example, in his closing address to the Nuremberg Tribunal (July 26, 1946), chief British prosecutor Sir Hartley Shawcross said that "more than six million" Jews were killed by the Germans, and that

"[…] murder [was] conducted like some mass production industry in the gas chambers and the ovens of Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Majdanek and Oranienburg."
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What 'evidence' there is for mass extermination in the German wartime camps consists entirely of dubious 'testimony', either from a handful of German officials (such as the now discredited "confession" of former Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höß), or from a small number of former inmates.[
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The Americans who arrived at Buchenwald in April 1945 found hundreds of sick inmates and many unburied corpses in the camp. Horrific photos of these gruesome scenes were immediately circulated throughout the world and have been widely reproduced ever since, giving the impression that Buchenwald was a diabolical mass killing center.

The American government encouraged this impression. A U.S. Army report about Buchenwald prepared for the Supreme Allied Headquarters in Europe and made public at the end of April 1945 declared that the "mission of the camp" was "an extermination factory".[48] And two weeks later a U.S. Congressional report on German camps, later used as a Nuremberg trial document, was issued which likewise described Buchenwald as an "extermination factory".[49]

This superficially plausible description is, however, completely wrong. The great majority of those who died at Buchenwald perished during the chaotic final months of the war. They succumbed to disease, often aggravated by malnutrition, in spite of woefully inadequate efforts to keep them alive. They were victims, not of an 'extermination' program, but rather of the terrible overcrowding and severe lack of food and medical supplies due to a general collapse of order in Germany during the tumultuous final phase of the war.
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Another French priest and former inmate, Jean-Paul Renard, made a similar claim about the camp in his own book published shortly after the war:

"I saw thousands and thousands of persons going into the showers. Instead of liquid, asphyxiating gases poured out over them."

When fellow Frenchman and former Buchenwald inmate Paul Rassinier pointed out to the priest that there was no gas chamber in the camp, Renard replied:

"Right, but that's only a figure of speech […] and since those things existed somewhere, it's not important."[56]
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The accusation that Nazi destroyed all the evidences of killing Jews is also an inconvenience. Jews and their advocators conveniently don't prove their claims (massive killing of Jews & claim that Nazi destroyed proofs). It looks near impossible to officially debunk Holocaust genocide myth. Also, apparently, "gas chamber" is a figure of speech, and they didn't mind lying cause it supposedly existed "somewhere".
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Re: Did Nazi put in any effort to destroy evidences of massively killing Jews?

Postby Lamprecht » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:38 am)

bearstevenlee wrote:"The source seems to be only this "Blobel" character (see above). There is no paper trail whatsoever."

So, there are no paper evidences that Nazi ordered concentration camps to destroy any evidence of mass murdering Jews. They are making up stories based on true events like Himmler visiting Treblinka personally. As for Blobel character, another tortured forced "confession" is possible. Or, maybe, Nazi destroyed the evidences of Jews dying by diseases or by some rogue Nazi officers killing them. Holocaust revisionists should sort this out, that there are no physical proofs of Nazi destroying evidences or that the destroyed evidences are about Jews dying of diseases.


Well certainly, there's only a person's statement (during the Nuremberg show trials) that something of that sort happened. There is no HImmler order, as implied by the Wikipedia quote. And, most importantly, there are no enormous mass graves of burnt remains in precisely known locations, which would necessarily exist if the claims were accurate. It also seems as though Blobel did not know of anything called "Operation 1005" himself.

From Mottogno and Graf's book on Treblinka: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/8.html

According to official historiography,[651] SS-Standartenführer Paul Blobel took charge of 'Operation 1005' and "The operation commenced in June 1942 with attempts to burn the corpses in the Chełmno extermination camp."[651] In the initial phase, the bodies in the alleged eastern extermination camps are supposed to have been exhumed and cremated. We have dealt with this issue in detail in Chapter IV, in the prototypical case of Treblinka.
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The fact is, the story of 'Operation 1005' is based upon some few completely unreliable witness statements. The first of them were collected by Soviet commissions or journalists and printed in the Black Book edited by Ilja Ehrenburg and Wassili Grossman. This is a propagandistic collection of tales from alleged eyewitnesses. Aside from the Vladimir K. Davidov already mentioned, one finds here the (hearsay) testimony of Shimon Ariel and Zalma Edelman about Białystok,[661] that of a few (according to their own statements) escapees from Kaunas,[662] and that of a Y. Farber about Ponari (Lithuania).[663] These witnesses know nothing to report about any 'Operation 1005' or a 'Sonderkommando 1005.'

The designation 'Sonderkommando 1005' was invented by the Soviets. At the proceedings of February 9, 1946, at the Nuremberg Trial, the Senior Counsel Smirnov read out excerpts from the protocol "of the interrogation of Gerhard Adametz (Exhibit USSR-80, Document Number USSR-80), taken by an American army lieutenant, Patrick McMahon," in which there was talk of the activities of the "Sonderkommando 1005-A" and "1005-B."[664]

In 1946, the work written by Leon Weliczker Brygada Śmierci (The Death Brigade), the longest and most detailed witness report about the 'Brigade 1005,' appeared in Lodz, which Thomas Sandkühler, once again politely using understatement, rates as follows:[665]

"The horrifying notes of Weliczker have only insignificant evidentiary value."

Or, to put it another way, they have none!

The SS-Standartenführer Paul Blobel was, however, unknown to this witness. He was connected to the 'Operation 1005' by an Erwin Schulz, who had been the leader of Einsatzkommando V of the Einsatzgruppe C of the Sicherheitspolizei from the beginning of the Russian Campaign until September 1941 and served under SS-Brigadeführer Rasch. But Schulz did not know the name of the alleged huge operation for the excavation and cremation of the bodies, since this was first settled upon in 1947. On December 20, 1945, he stated:[666]

"About 1943 I learned during my activity as Chief of Department I of the RSHA that at this time the SS-Standartenführer Blobel had to make the mass graves unrecognizable of those who had been shot and liquidated in the territories to be evacuated by the Wehrmacht. If I recall correctly, the cover-name for these mass graves was 'water sites.'"

Now all that remained was to put the individual parts together.

In November 1946, Rudolf Höß wrote in the Krakow prison:[667]

"Standartenführer Blobel had been authorized to seek out and obliterate all the mass graves in the whole of the eastern districts. His department was given the code number '1005.'"

Finally, at the preliminary examinations of the trial against the Einsatzgruppen, which took place in Nuremberg from September 29, 1947, to February 12, 1948, Paul Blobel judged it expedient to 'confess' what had already become 'facts determined by virtue of official authority' for the prosecutors. In a 'statutory declaration' made at Nuremberg on June 6, 1947, he stated for the record:[668]

"In June 1941, I became Chief of Sonderkommando 4 A. This Sonderkommando was assigned to Einsatzgruppe C, the latter was under the command of Dr. Rasch. The special region assigned to me was located in the area of the 6th Army, which was commanded by field marshal von Reichenau. In January 1942, I was relieved as Chief of Sonderkommando 4 A and was transferred to Berlin for disciplinary reasons. I remained there for some time with no work. I was under the supervision of Department IV, under the former Gruppenführer Müller.

In the Fall of 1942, I was given the mission as Müller 's deputy to drive into the occupied eastern territories and eradicate the traces of the mass graves which came about from the executions of the Einsatzgruppen. This was my mission up to the summer of 1944."

The American inquisitors gave every appearance of being unsatisfied with this 'confession' and forced Blobel to give a further 'statutory declaration.' This time he expressed himself in more detail:[669]

"After I had been relieved from this assignment, I had to report in Berlin to SS Obergruppenführer Heydrich and Gruppenführer Müller and in June 1942 was entrusted with the mission by Gruppenführer Müller of eradicating the traces of executions of the Einsatzgruppen in the east. My orders were to report personally to the commander of the Sicherheitspolizei and SD and to orally pass on to them Müller 's order and to supervise its performance. This order was a secret Reich matter, and it was ordered by Müller that due to the strictest secrecy of this mission, no kind of written exchanges are to be permitted."

This version, with the new date ("in June 1942" instead of "in the fall of 1942") was elevated to being the pivotal point of official historiography. That Blobel in neither of his two declarations spoke of an 'Operation 1005' or a 'Sonderkommando 1005' played no role, for these little gaps were naturally closed by the historians!

It should be well understood that we do not wish to claim by what we have said here that there was no opening of mass graves and cremation of bodies, any more than we are claiming that there were no shootings of Jews. But we are very much questioning the enormous scale, which the official historiography attributes to these occurrences.


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Re: Did Nazi put in any effort to destroy evidences of massively killing Jews?

Postby Lamprecht » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:45 am)

bearstevenlee wrote:Nuremberg trials seem to be an inconvenience for Holocaust Revisionism.
It was an inconvenience for everyone involved.

See this recent thread:
“The Legally-Flawed Nuremberg ‘War Crimes Trials’ Did Not ‘Prove’ the Holocaust”: Peter Winter
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12378

U.S. Congressional Representative, Lawrence H. Smith of Wisconsin said:
"The Nuremberg Trials are so repugnant to the Anglo-Saxon principles of justice that we must forever be ashamed of that page in our history."
- Congressional Record, appendix, v.95, sec.14, 6/15/49


Whether massive killing of Jews was charged at the trial or not, it was mentioned. Does anyone have the link to the English translation of Final Solution document? I can't find it in CODOH library.


Which document?

https://codoh.com/library/document/1170/?lang=en
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For example, in his closing address to the Nuremberg Tribunal (July 26, 1946), chief British prosecutor Sir Hartley Shawcross said that "more than six million" Jews were killed by the Germans, and that

"[…] murder [was] conducted like some mass production industry in the gas chambers and the ovens of Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Majdanek and Oranienburg."
*

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What 'evidence' there is for mass extermination in the German wartime camps consists entirely of dubious 'testimony', either from a handful of German officials (such as the now discredited "confession" of former Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höß), or from a small number of former inmates.
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The accusation that Nazi destroyed all the evidences of killing Jews is also an inconvenience. Jews and their advocators conveniently don't prove their claims (massive killing of Jews & claim that Nazi destroyed proofs).
And in this case the lack of evidence is seen as proof that it occurred. Meanwhile, the "magically disappearing mass graves" is something that violates the laws of physics.
It is also now claimed that Dachau & Buchenwald did not have homicidal gas chambers


It looks near impossible to officially debunk Holocaust genocide myth.
Sure, and I could similarly accuse you of murdering millions of people. And how would you go about proving that it did not happen?
These concentration camps are a "crime scene" and yet we are not showing evidence of hundreds of thousands of people buried there. The "Holocaust" industry's desperation and deceitful conduct is proof enough that we should seriously doubt their claims, and the lack of physical evidence (in the form of "huge mass graves" in exactly known locations) is a nail in the coffin.

But yes, it certainly is "impossible" to "officially debunk" the story, since you will be arrested if you go to the camp and start digging / taking core samples.
"There is a principal which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principal is contempt prior to investigation."
-- Herbert Spencer


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