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Myles Power - "Debunking Holocaust Denial" video series

Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat May 04, 2019 1:11 am)

This video just came out a few days ago:


Transcript: https://pastebin.com/YRn3gA0m
The Leuchter Report is junk science! His methods were flawed and his conclusions are not supported by evidence. Normally I would say that people like him design experiments to get the results they wanted but I believe Leuchter was so incompetent that he unwittingly stacked the deck in his favour.


It's already off to a bad start: addressing the Leuchter Report instead of the Rudolf Report. I'll write up some additional comments on this probably tomorrow or the next day (it's late for me). I think we definitely need a thread to address these videos.

Some things I noticed (there is more but these jumped out at me just by my first watch)

1 - He cites a testimony claiming the nazis washed the walls and floor of the gas chamber after every gassing, preventing formation of prussian blue

2 - He claims that the cyanide only penetrates at the surface level of brick, "10 micrometers into the wall, a tenth of the thickness of human hair" and thus taking a whole brick and smashing it up is dishonest and dilutes the readings

3 - Claims the Institute for forensic research in Krakow "conducted a fair experiment where they extracted iron cyanide based compounds from the walls" (by ignoring iron-bound cyanide: "We decided therefore to determine the cyanide ions using a method that does not induce the breakdown of the composed ferrum cyanide complex (this is the blue under discussion)") :lol:

4 - He does not mention Germar Rudolf even once

comments here:
https://mylespower.co.uk/2019/05/01/deb ... -report-1/

I'll write up some more comments on these points, probably tomorrow, feel free to add your own.

Recommended viewing:

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Re: Myles Power - "Debunking Holocaust Denial" video series

Postby Hannover » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat May 04, 2019 1:44 am)

1. This is what an Auschwitz/Birkenau 'gas chamber' supposedly looked like right after an alleged & impossible gassing.
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Imagine trying to wash down the walls and ceiling quickly before the alleged cyanide would have penetrated.
There would have been no way to reach the walls and ceiling without removing the alleged 2000 bodies first, via a tiny 4 ft X 9 ft, hand drawn elevator up to the crematorium ... in a claimed few minutes. :roll:

The entire alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process reviewed and demolished here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11143&p=83723&hilit=model+asmarques#p83723

2. Myles Power trots out the thoroughly debunked 'James Roth cyanide penetration' canard, I suggest:
Some Technical and Chemical Considerations about the 'Gas Chambers' of Auschwitz and Birkenau
By Germar Rudolf
http://codoh.com/library/document/925/?lang=en
also:
Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4111

3. Covered in the references cited above and in:
The Rudolf Report / Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz
http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html

4. Of course he doesn't. People like Myles Power are not interested in the facts, they care only about keeping their profitable & power enriching scam going.

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Re: Myles Power - "Debunking Holocaust Denial" video series

Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat May 04, 2019 3:05 am)

Strike 1:

The absurdity of 'Gas Chambers' being washed down after each gassing is addressed here:

R.Muehlenkamp: 'gas chambers' were hosed down, so no cyanide
viewtopic.php?t=3706

Why They Could Not Have Hosed Down The Gas Chambers
viewtopic.php?t=3332

Those Prussian Blues Just Won't Wash
viewtopic.php?t=4600

Please note that the majority of supposed "eyewitness testimony of mass gassings" at Auschwitz make no mention of this washing-down of the walls. "Eyewitness" Daniel Bennahmias claims the Nazis not only hosed down the gas chambers, but repainted the walls after each gassing... :lol:




Strike 2:

Germar Rudolf addresses the cyanide penetration claim:
1. It is a fact that the walls of the disinfestation chambers in Auschwitz, Birkenau, Stutthof, and Majdanek are saturated with cyanide compounds, and this not only superficially, but into the depth of the masonry, as I have proved by taking samples from different depths of the wall, compare in this regard especially my samples no. 11, 13, 17, 19b, and 23. They prove that hydrogen cyanide can rather easily reach deep layers of plaster and mortar. But even the other samples taken from the surface prove that Prof. Roth's allegation is wrong: Provided that most of the cyanide detectable today is present in the form of iron cyanide (Iron Blue and other cyanoferrates), as Prof. Roth assumes himself, his thesis would mean that 10% to 75% of the iron content of these samples are located in the upper 10 micrometer of my samples (0.010 mm), i.e., they are located in less then 1% of the entire sample mass, and the rest of the sample would have been massively deprived of iron. How this migration of a major portion of iron to a thin surface layer would have happened is inexplicable to me.

2. Furthermore, expert literature is detailed in that
a. hydrogen cyanide is a extremely mobile chemical compound with physical properties comparable to water,[159]
b. which can quite easily penetrate through thick, porous layers like walls.[98]

3. In addition, it is generally known that cement and lime mortar are highly porous materials, comparable for instance with sponges.[160] In such materials, there does not exist something like a defined layer of 0.01 mm beyond which hydrogen cyanide could not diffuse, as there can also be no reason, why water could not penetrate a sponge deeper than a millimeter. Steam, for example, which behaves physically comparable to hydrogen cyanide, can very easily penetrate walls.

4. Finally, the massive discolorations of the outside walls of the disinfestation chambers in Birkenau and Stutthof, as shown on the cover of this book, are clearly visible and conclusive evidence for the fact how easily hydrogen cyanide and its soluble derivatives can penetrate such walls.
Some Technical and Chemical Considerations about the 'Gas Chambers' of Auschwitz and Birkenau
https://codoh.com/library/document/925/




Strike 3:

The "Institute for forensic research in Krakow" Report is reproduced here, along with a rebuttal:

An Official Polish Report on the Auschwitz 'Gas Chambers' - Krakow Forensic Institute Confirms Leuchter's Findings
https://codoh.com/library/document/2333/

It is also important to note that the claim Myles makes "they extracted iron cyanide based compounds from the walls" is incorrect. They specifically ignored Prussian Blue and similar iron cyanide compounds from their analysis, focusing only on non-iron cyanide compounds to get a value very close to the detection level. Basically their results were not significant for any sample.

Germar Rudolf explains this in detail, totally debunking the psuedoscientific Krakow/Polish report here:
Germar Rudolf wrote:It is more than twelve years ago that an American technician went to Auschwitz concentration camp and made the first forensic research ever conducted by an independent researcher. His expert report triggered a broad and sometimes heated debate, as it was not in line with the generally excepted view held about Auschwitz. Under such circumstances one would expect that many scholars would get involved in this matter trying to refute Leuchter’s thesis. But in all these years only one scientific paper has been published in a fairly unknown Polish journal addressing the chemical questions raised by Leuchter. However, the Polish authors of this work did such a sloppy job that their attempt to refute Leuchter not only fails but calls into question their scientific credentials. Furthermore, it will be demonstrated that the unscientific methodology applied by these Poles can only be called fraudulent. Under normal circumstances, these Polish authors would be expelled from the scientific community for their unethical behavior.
...
The Poles ignored all arguments proving them wrong, though they definitively knew them, since they quoted them. They did nothing to verify or falsify their own claims. They did nothing to understand what they claimed to not having understood. But why did they act that way?

The answer to that is very easy: They wanted to exclude the Prussian Blue and similar iron cyanide compounds from their analyses. This can only be justified when assuming that Prussian Blue in the walls of the delousing chambers must have a different origin, e.g. stemming from paint. They themselves wrote:

"We decided therefore to determine the cyanide ions using a method that does not induce the breakdown of the composed ferrum cyanide complex (this is the blue under discussion)[…]"

What does that mean?

Fact is: The exclusion of Prussian Blue from analytical detection must result in much lower analyses results for the delousing chambers, as non-iron cyanide compounds are not very stable and would therefore hardly be present after 50 years. The same is true for every room ever exposed to hydrogen cyanide. In fact, values close to the detection level must be expected, which are generally so unreliable, that a proper interpretation is close to impossible. It can therefore be expected that the analysis of samples tested with such a method would deliver similar results for nearly every sample of material that is many decades old. Such an analysis would make it rather impossible to distinguish between rooms massively exposed to hydrogen cyanide and those, which were not.

And that is in my opinion exactly what the Poles wanted to achieve: Values for both the delousing chambers and the alleged homicidal gas chambers with similar levels of cyanide residues. This would allow them to state: ‘See: same amount of cyanides, hence same amount of gassing activity, thus humans were gassed in the gas chambers. Henceforth, Leuchter is refuted.’

As a matter of fact, that is exactly what the analyses results of the Poles delivered, and they concluded accordingly.
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5. Conclusions

Let me summarize the extremely unscientific and politically biased approach of Markiewicz and his co-workers:

a. The most important task of a scientist is to try to understand what hasn’t been understood so far. The Poles just did the opposite: they decided to ignore and exclude what they didn’t understand (the formation of Prussian Blue in walls exposed to hydrogen cyanide).
b. The next important task of a scientist is to discuss other scientists’ attempts to make understandable. The Poles just did the opposite: they decided to ignore and exclude from discussion what would perhaps make them (and others) understand how Prussian Blue can be formed.
c. That allowed them to use methods producing the results they wanted to see.
d. They suppressed results that didn’t fit into their desired results.
e. Finally, they admitted that the purpose of their research was not to seek the truth, but to keep totally discredited the reputation of one, who has long since rotted away.

Hence, I publicly called and still call these Polish authors scientific frauds. Neither Markiewicz nor his co-workers ever stood up against that accusation. Dr. Markiewicz died in 1997, and the remaining two co-authors have been silent about that ever since, like thieves hiding in the night.
A fraudulent attempt to refute Mr. Death
http://vho.org/GB/c/GR/Fraudulent.html

Basically, these liars did exactly what Myles accused Leuchter of doing: "design[ing] experiments to get the results they wanted" and "stacked the deck in their favor" ... talk about ironic :lol:



Anyway, what comes after strike 3? :lol:

It is simply dishonest of Myles to focus so heavily on the Leuchter report, while totally ignoring the Rudolf Report. I am not sure how this guy could have done his research and not come across the Rudolf Report; he must simply be fishing for likes and YouTube ad revenue...


The Rudolf Report: Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/
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Re: Myles Power - "Debunking Holocaust Denial" video series

Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat May 04, 2019 5:50 am)

Leuchter's work wasn't perfect and he was critiqued for this by Revisionists (like Germar Rudolf). Omitting this is intellectually dishonest. But essentially the reasoning (HCN reacts with wall compounds and will leave traces) was correct. The washing of the walls is a nice try, but I don't think it helps with explaining absence of -CN traces. Quite to the contrary wetting the walls further would have increased penetration and CN-compound formation.

The debate isn't about what physical evidence is there supporting homicidal gassings, but why that evidence is absent.

He should ask himself, why the Cracow Report (in response to Leuchter) was never translated into German.

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Postby borjastick » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat May 04, 2019 6:27 am)

Just stop and think about the hosing of the walls scam for a moment.

If the walls were washed down after each gassing, putting aside the practical and timing issues, one would have to ask why? One reason could be human defecation. OK but that would more likely be on the floor not the walls. Apart from occasional maintenance and cleaning I cannot find much traction in this washing idea.

But there is the suggestion that washing or hosing down the room was done to prevent Prussian blue build up. What!!! This is just nonsense because it would mean the Germans knew the residue would prove gassing took place many decades into the future and even more so suggests that the Germans ever considered they might lose the war and have a problem on their hands with the claimed extermination of jews in gas chambers.

Finally why would they not do the same with the disinfestation gas chamber units? That way if they washed both types of room down there would be little or no comparison to make.
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Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat May 04, 2019 9:13 am)

Sorry Bojarstick, but I don't think that hosing down and washing the alleged gas chambers would prevent Prussian Blue from actually forming. To the contrary the increased humidity and alkalinity (soap got PH value above 7) may facilitate that formation of Prussian Blue even more, but I think this is best discussed with a Chemist.

Your reply against the plausibility of frequent washing is however valid. I may add that elsewhere the Prussian Blue stains on the walls are used as arguments in favor of gassing/exposure to HCN. That's what believers always ignore, when they try to refute the lack of Prussian Blue (stains) argument.

I suspect that a lot revisionist commenting on the video will be censored by the channel. Should not prevent one from posting more comments and references to Revisionist Materials.

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Postby borjastick » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat May 04, 2019 9:45 am)

Hektor wrote:Sorry Bojarstick, but I don't think that hosing down and washing the alleged gas chambers would prevent Prussian Blue from actually forming. To the contrary the increased humidity and alkalinity (soap got PH value above 7) may facilitate that formation of Prussian Blue even more, but I think this is best discussed with a Chemist.

Your reply against the plausibility of frequent washing is however valid. I may add that elsewhere the Prussian Blue stains on the walls are used as arguments in favor of gassing/exposure to HCN. That's what believers always ignore, when they try to refute the lack of Prussian Blue (stains) argument.

I suspect that a lot revisionist commenting on the video will be censored by the channel. Should not prevent one from posting more comments and references to Revisionist Materials.


You missed the point I was trying to make or maybe I wasn't clear. The point is that I don't think the Germans ever thought it was a problem about evidence to prove what happened in the gas chambers either a) because it didn't happen or b) because they didn't think they would lose the war.
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Postby Hannover » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat May 04, 2019 9:59 am)

These also devastate the false & desperate claims about Leuchter's work:

The Leuchter Report Vindicated: A Response to J.-C. Pressac's Critique
at:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p445_Grubach.html

Then there's the mentioned Rudolf Report , section 2 The Coup - Fred Leuchter on Auschwitz and Majdanek
at:
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/2.html

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Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat May 04, 2019 12:55 pm)

Hypothetically, assuming the silly "Homicidal gas chamber" stories are real: The idea that they washed the walls with water to prevent blue staining is ridiculous. It would make sense for them to wash it down because of people defecating or whatever. This also makes sense if the "Gas chambers" had dummy shower heads and a drainage system. Between every second pair of vertical columns on the centerline of morgue 1 is a floor drain installed. And the floor is sloped towards the drain holes.

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I think if it was washed down, and gassings occurred, there would be massive levels of blue staining on the floor, where the HCN-saturated water washed through. Think, after a shower, even though the water drains the floor is still wet. Small droplets of water would be everywhere, and slowly evaporate into the air.

And of course we must remember that after the supposed gassing, there's still loads of corpses tangled up in a huge mess. So the nazis would have had to pull them out, possibly use the 4x9ft manual elevator, and keep them somewhere as they wait for the ovens to finish their job.

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See also ventilation issues:

Re: Pressac’s Solution – Gas Chamber Ventilation
viewtopic.php?t=5493#p92090

The entire story is just laughable. I can't wait for Myles' new video. I posted this link on his website in the comments section, but I don't think he will approve the comment. :roll:
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Postby RouterAl » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sun May 05, 2019 6:50 am)

Slightly off subject but I recently read the David Irving's 2000 court case judgment, all of it. That's where I first heard of this nonsense of the human hairs width penetration of HCN vapour's and the attempt to rubbish the Leuchter report. Unfortunately Mr Irving was obviously not an expert on building techniques or perhaps failed to realised the damage that this utter nonsense caused to his and the revisionist case.

Any one involved in the construction industry who does not understand material porosity and water transport by building materials and constructing barriers to water penetration and the drying effects of different mortar types , in the construction of structures using bricks , sand stone, granite , schist stone and concrete is really is a no expert. Any building text book should show up the utter nonsense of the source of this "hairs width" nonsense.

I copied this from a brick manufacturers web site. Porosity is an important characteristic of brick. In contrast to other moulded or pre-cast building materials, the porosity of brick is attributed to its fine capillaries. By virtue of the capillary effect, the rate of moisture transport in the brick is ten times faster than in other building materials. Moisture is released during day-time and re-absorbed during night-time. The ability to release and re-absorb moisture (a "breathing" process) by capillary effect is one of the most useful properties of brick that helps to regulate the temperature and humidity of atmosphere in a house. This distinctive property makes brick an admirable building material, particularly suitable for houses in the tropics. On the other hand, all porous materials are susceptible to chemical attacks and liable to contamination from weathering agents like rain, running water and polluted air. Porosity of building material is an important factor to consider in respect its performance and applications.
Experiment results show that bricks with water absorption rate at 8% is 10 times more durable in resisting salt attack than that with water absorption rate at 20%. Well burnt brick has a normal water absorption rate less than 10% in contrast to that of concrete block and cement mortar exceeding 15%. This explains why brick walls require comparatively minimum maintenance in the course of time.
To mitigate the adverse effects but at the same time retain the advantages associated with porosity, the rate of water absorption of facing bricks for masonry brickwork should preferable be maintained around 10%.


When you factor in the action of the mortar , which I will assume is lime mortar, which is the best media for ensuring no matter what material it bonds, that water can pass from within the structure to the external air and that penetrating wind driven rain can dry out from inside the structure easily via the mortar capillary action. Even if the building inside walls are plastered , especially with lime based plaster this effect still works, it's why you have dry rooms in buildings , water enters the plaster and gets drawn through the brick work or mortar and then evaporates to the air. It's why Gore-tex works , water vapour passes through the pores of the Teflon material, which is proof against the entry of large water droplets.

That's why the bricks are blue because water vapour and the HCN gas pass out of the brick via the capillary pore based drying process caused by the temperature differences between day and night. The building inside can dry out and external water will not last long in the structure , particularly wind driven rain , the biggest enemy to all buildings . There are libraries full of information on the porosity of building materials, evidently all the people involved in discrediting the work of Leuchter have never worked in construction or construction academia. If you want a simple example next time you see a brick-wall covered in white efflorescences that's the action of capillary porosity moving salts in the building and brick to the surface where it disfigures the brick work.

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Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sun May 05, 2019 7:51 am)

borjastick wrote:....You missed the point I was trying to make or maybe I wasn't clear. The point is that I don't think the Germans ever thought it was a problem about evidence to prove what happened in the gas chambers either a) because it didn't happen or b) because they didn't think they would lose the war.



No I got the point. To assume the Germans would act during the war like they would lose the war is anachronistic. In fact belief in final victory was upheld till the bitter end.

My point is that there cop out isn't helping them. Leuchter had a couple of weeks to do his reports. Hard to expect it would be flawless. The question is however were was the report on the findings of the forensic examination that proves the Exterminationist thesis for all those decades? They tried one after Leuchter did it and it was actually a farce, which is why they never translated it into German.

If one goes through the evidence, testimony and analysis this technically and rationally long enough, one has to recognize how implausible, nay absurd the Exterminationist claims are. Hence ultimately Leuchter's findings are vindicated.

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Postby Grimsithe » 1 month 1 week ago (Thu May 09, 2019 10:49 am)

I made an indepth video response to his video on the Leuchter report


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Postby Horhug » 1 month 1 week ago (Fri May 10, 2019 2:47 am)

The alleged "washing of the AHGC walls ..."

I first came across the claim that the "AHGC walls were washed", many years ago while reading the Rudolf / Green exchanges.

Dr. Richard J. Green
https://web.archive.org/web/19981203045 ... d.com/~rjg

Response to Germar Rudolf
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... en-199812/
Of particular importance is the fact that the walls were washed with water. In my work Leuchter, Rudolf, and the Iron Blues I explain the significance of this fact.


Germar Rudolf : Dr. Richard Green's Evasions
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/Evasions.html

* Edited to include Dr. Richard Green's statement on the alleged AHGC wall washing and his "sources".


Leuchter, Rudolf, and the Iron Blues

Most importantly one must recall that the gas chambers were hosed down with water after gassings to clean up blood and excrement. [15 ]

[15 ] Mark Van Alstine has helpfully found the following references regarding the hosing-down of the gas chambers:

According to Sonderkommando Henry Tauber, re Krema II (Pressac, Technique, p. 484):

The water tap was in the corridor and a rubber hose was run from it to wash the floor of the gas chamber...

According to Sonderkommando Filip Müller, re Krema V (Müller, Eyewitness Auschwitz, pp. 82-83):

Normally the concrete floors in the gas chamber as well as in the changing room were damp: today they were carefully dried....

According to Nyszili, re Krema II (Nyszili, Auschwitz, p. 52):

The Sonderkommando squad, outfitted with large rubber boots, lined up around the hill of bodies and flooded it with powerful jets of water. This was necessary because the final act of those who die by drowning or by gas is an involuntary defecation....

According to Daniel Bennahmias, re Krema II or III (The Holocaust Odyssey of Daniel Bennahmias, Sonderkommando, p. 46):

Once the gas chamber had been cleared, it must be hosed free of all traces of blood and excrement - but mainly blood - and then it must be whitewashed with a quickdrying paint. This step is crucial, and it is done each time the gas chamber is emptied, for the dying have scratched and gouged the walls in their death throes. The walls are embedded with blood and bits of flesh, and none on the next transport must suspect that he is walking into anything other than a shower. This takes two or three hours.



Lamprecht wrote:Strike 1:

Please note that the majority of supposed "eyewitness testimony of mass gassings" at Auschwitz make no mention of this washing-down of the walls. "Eyewitness" Daniel Bennahmias claims the Nazis not only hosed down the gas chambers, but repainted the walls after each gassing... :lol:



That's a lot of paint ... no doubt applied by the Auschwitz Painting & Decorating SDKO ...

"eyewitness" Daniel Bennahmias paints lies
viewtopic.php?t=35

Oral history interview with Daniel Bennahmias
https://portal.ehri-project.eu/units/us ... -irn515097
https://collections.ushmm.org/oh_findin ... sum_en.pdf

Video : Oral history interview with Daniel Bennahmias
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn515097

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Re: Myles Power - "Debunking Holocaust Denial" video series

Postby borjastick » 1 month 1 week ago (Fri May 10, 2019 5:57 am)

Ok well done is the first thing to say though why you have never posted here in your three and a half years of registration is perhaps interesting.

The video you are taking apart is fraudulent at best. He uses every trick in the book such as lies, misdirection and misinformation to try and make his points. He fails as you have correctly pointed out.

The figures of Zyklon B required to kill humans and those needed for killing insects are again at best guesses as far as I can work out. If anyone can give actual tested data on this point I would be interested to see it.
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Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 1 week ago (Fri May 10, 2019 6:41 am)

Grimsithe wrote:I made an indepth video response to his video on the Leuchter report


@6:00 "I don't know why you're showing this video, you're really reaching the bottom of the barrel..."

That's actually all the **ENTIRE VIDEO** is. The fact that he only focuses on the Leuchter report, and makes no mention of Germar Rudolf or his Rudolf report, proves the Myles character is full of crap.

Myles has shot himself in his own foot :lol:
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