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Judaism and lying - is deception part of Jewish culture/religion/tradition?

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:43 pm)

I am trying to find an article I read about this, but not having luck Googling for it. When I find it, I will post it.
Simply put: Is lying [to gentiles] encouraged in Judaism or Jewish culture?

The Zohar (Judaism's "Book of Splendor") teaches Jews that to lie successfully one needs to insert some truth into a lie:

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Mossad motto: By way of deception, thou shalt do war

Kevin MacDonald’s 'Separation and Its Discontents' page 218:
Chapter 6 – JEWISH STRATEGIES FOR COMBATING ANTI-SEMITISM

Phenotypic Resemblance: Crypsis

The data summarized in PTSDA (Ch. 4) indicate that there has been a powerful trend for Jews in traditional societies to maximize phenotypic differences between themselves and host populations, by a variety of segregative practices. Nevertheless, there are many instances in which Jews themselves have minimized these differences.

A particularly interesting example is crypsis. When threatened by severe sanctions, Jews have “converted” to other religions, practicing Judaism in secret and ultimately becoming overtly Jewish again when the threat had passed. Crypsis is “as old as the Jew himself” (Prinz 1973, 1).



In Chapter 10 of the first volume of Mein Kampf Hitler writes about the role of Jewish-Marxist propaganda in bringing about the collapse of the German war effort during the First World War and then blaming that collapse on German General Erich Ludendorff:
It required the whole bottomless falsehood of the Jews and their Marxist fighting organization to lay the blame for the collapse on that very man who alone, with superhuman energy and will power, tried to prevent the catastrophe he foresaw and save the nation from its time of deepest humiliation and disgrace. By branding Ludendorff as guilty for the loss of the World War, they took the weapon of moral right from the one dangerous accuser who could have risen against the traitors to the fatherland. In this they proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others; yes, even when enlightened on the subject, they will long doubt and waver and continue to accept at least one of these causes as true. Therefore, something of even the most insolent lie will always remain and stick — a fact which all the great lie-virtuosi and lying-clubs in the world know only too well and also make the most treacherous use of. The foremost connoisseurs of this truth regarding the possibilities in the use of falsehood and slander have always been the Jews; for after all, their whole existence is based on one single great lie, to wit, that they are a religious community while actually they are a race — and what a race! One of the greatest minds of humanity has nailed them forever as such in an eternally correct phrase of fundamental truth: he called them ‘the great masters of the lie.’ And anyone who does not recognize this or does not want to believe it will never in this world be able to help the truth to victory.
This is the "Big lie" quote often taken out of context and used as if Hitler was gloating about being able to fool others, rather than condemning this as a Jewish technique and warning his fellow Germans about it.


More on the "Great masters of the lie" quote by CW Porter: https://archive.is/4DFxj
SCHOPENHAUER’S FIRST FOOTNOTE DELETED IN ENGLISH TRANSLATION:
* 1) Tacitus (Histories, Book V, chapter 2) and Justinus (Book XXXVI, chapter a) have described the historical basis for the book of Exodus, which is as instructive to read as it is amusing, providing a picture of the historical basis for the other books of the Old Testament. There we learn (in the passages cited above) that the Pharaoh no longer wished to tolerate the presence of the creeping, obscene Jewish people in the pure land of Egypt , infected, as they were, with filthy and dangerously infectious diseases (scabies), so that he put them on board ship and expelled them from the Arabian Coast. It is true that a detachment of Egyptian soldiers were sent after them -- not to bring back the wonderful Jews, whom they wished to get rid of, after all, but rather, to get back the golden vessels which the Jews had stolen -- stolen, namely, from the temples of the Egyptians. Who would lend anything to such rabble on trust? It is also true that the detachment of soldiers was destroyed by a natural catastrophe. There were great shortages of all necessities on the Arabian coast -- mainly water. So up rose some insolent character [Moses] who promised to go fetch everything the Jews needed, if they would only follow and obey him [Moses]; after all, he had seen wild asses, etc. etc.
The reason I consider this the historical basis for the book of Exodus is because it is obviously the prose upon which the poetry of the book of Exodus was constructed. Even if Justinus (i.e., Pompeius Trogus) is guilty of a single anachronism in this regard (i.e., according to our assumptions, which are based on the book of Exodus), that doesn’t bother me; to me, 100 anachronisms are nowhere near as dubious as a single miracle. The above mentioned two Roman classics also indicate the degree to which the Jews have been detested and despised at all times and by all nations: the reason for this may lie in the fact that they were the only people on earth who believed in no future life apart from this earthly life, i.e., human beings were regarded as animals. The Jews are the scum of the earth, but they are also great masters in lying
[Auswurf der Menschheit, aber große Meister im Lügen].
[literally: "and were therefore regarded as cattle, scum of the earth, but also great masters in lying".]



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Re: Judaism and lying - is deception part of Jewish culture/religion/tradition?

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:59 pm)

Well I found the article. It is from a blog that has been removed from the internet, probably why it took me a while to locate.

An archived version is here (there are links in the text that were not copied, so check the archived link for those)

Jewish myths glorify manipulation and deceit
https://archive.is/bZX60

Jewish myths glorify manipulation and deceit

You can tell a lot about Jews from their stories. Reading the Old Testament, I’m constantly struck by how many of its tales seem to glorify deceitfulness. This quality is found in even the greatest of the Jewish patriarchs. Abraham, for example, pimped his wife out to the Egyptian pharaoh by pretending she was his sister. Abraham’s son, Isaac, was conned by his wife and son Jacob into depriving his other son Esau (whom Jews regard as a symbol of Christians or goy in general) of his rightful inheritance.

A people’s epic literature normally glorifies the qualities it prizes most greatly. For most peoples, these qualities will be courage, honour, patriotism and skill in battle. For Jews, they are deceitfulness, manipulative skill and capacity to exploit sexual weakness.

The Book of Esther contains another of the Biblical stories that exalt these same qualities. This tale forms the basis of the bizarre Purim festival that Jews celebrated this week.

As I discussed in a previous article, the story the Book of Esther tells is one that has no historical foundation whatsoever. Like so much of Jewish “history”, it has just made been up out of wholecloth. And yet Jews continue to invest a strange intensity of emotion in it.

I won’t go over the historicity of it again here. Instead, let’s recall the basic contours of the story to get an idea of the qualities it is implicitly holding up for praise.

Haman “the Agagite” has achieved a position of power in the court of the Persian emperor, whom he serves as a kind of imperial administrator. The name “Agag” is associated with kings of the Amalekites, a made-up people whose name the Jews, even today, use as a symbol of wicked goyness that must be blotted out.

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Haman is due respect as a high official but the Jew Mordecai refuses to offer him the customary signs of deference. No explanation for this is provided. Haman decides to exact revenge on all of the Jews and set in motion a plan to have them massacred. Mordecai has previously pimped his sister to the Persian emperor as a part of his harem. He told her to conceal the fact that she was a Jew. Once she has established herself as one of the emperor’s favourites, Mordecai tells her to use her influence to avert the threatened massacre of the Jews and bring Haman to ruin. This she does using trickery. Haman is executed, her brother Mordecai is appointed in his place; the enemies of the Jews are massacred and all other peoples learn to fear the power of the Jews.

Yes, like almost all Jewish festivals, this one celebrates a genocide committed against Gentiles.

But what qualities does this story hold up for admiration? Above all, cunning and skill in manipulation.

Even this week, Jews have been holding Esther up as a role model in this respect.
Though the Purim story is considered miraculous, the name of God is not mentioned in the Megillah [Book of Esther]. Perhaps it’s because another sort of power — hidden soft power — becomes our secret weapon.

..One reading of soft power might see it as manipulative and surreptitious, but in the story of Esther it is truly the saving grace.

For centuries, countersemites have alleged that Jews manipulate powerful people into doing their bidding using lies, trickery and cunning. And for thousands of years, Jews have told stories that glorify exactly those qualities. Yet when those same qualities are returned to them as a reproach, they shriek “antisemitism!”.

Incidentally, when Mike Pompeo said this week that Trump may have been put in place to help the Jews, he was echoing the text of the Book of Esther. When Esther expresses doubts about trying to manipulate the emperor, her cousin Mordecai tells her that she may have been put in place to do exactly that.
Then Mordecai commanded to answer Esther, Think not with thyself that thou shalt escape in the king’s house, more than all the Jews. For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father’s house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this?




Pompeo compares Trump to Esther, who has been pimped out as a whore to serve the needs of the Jews, which seems very fitting.
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Re: Judaism and lying - is deception part of Jewish culture/religion/tradition?

Postby Hase » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:33 pm)

The age old question; is it innate or learned? The same can be asked regarding the level of non-white violence that, when analyzed at a macro level, suggests the former. The historical record is bursting with tales of jewish exploitation. Heck, in the process of researching the 1453 siege of Constantinople; I found several other historical cases of jews heinously exploiting (or mass murdering) gentiles.

The first case was the "Young Turk Rebellion" which a Mason admits in the book, "40 years in Constantinople," that jews orchestrated the rebellion. Another case was the situation on some Greek Island, perhaps Crete, where jews were forbidden to buy land; yet they managed to come into possession of most of it by lending money to landowners who hence defaulted. The Greeks rewrote the law, saying jews could not own land there under any circumstances, and had to immediately sell their properties to Greeks.

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Postby Moderator » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:55 pm)

OK guys, let's keep it tied to our topic of debate here.
Make the connection to the "holocaust" narrative . It may seem obvious to some, but not to others.
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Postby flimflam » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:07 am)

Lamprecht wrote:Well I found the article. It is from a blog that has been removed from the internet, probably why it took me a while to locate.

An archived version is here (there are links in the text that were not copied, so check the archived link for those)

Jewish myths glorify manipulation and deceit
https://archive.is/bZX60

Jewish myths glorify manipulation and deceit

You can tell a lot about Jews from their stories. Reading the Old Testament, I’m constantly struck by how many of its tales seem to glorify deceitfulness. This quality is found in even the greatest of the Jewish patriarchs. Abraham, for example, pimped his wife out to the Egyptian pharaoh by pretending she was his sister. Abraham’s son, Isaac, was conned by his wife and son Jacob into depriving his other son Esau (whom Jews regard as a symbol of Christians or goy in general) of his rightful inheritance.

A people’s epic literature normally glorifies the qualities it prizes most greatly. For most peoples, these qualities will be courage, honour, patriotism and skill in battle. For Jews, they are deceitfulness, manipulative skill and capacity to exploit sexual weakness.

The Book of Esther contains another of the Biblical stories that exalt these same qualities. This tale forms the basis of the bizarre Purim festival that Jews celebrated this week.

As I discussed in a previous article, the story the Book of Esther tells is one that has no historical foundation whatsoever. Like so much of Jewish “history”, it has just made been up out of wholecloth. And yet Jews continue to invest a strange intensity of emotion in it.

I won’t go over the historicity of it again here. Instead, let’s recall the basic contours of the story to get an idea of the qualities it is implicitly holding up for praise.

Haman “the Agagite” has achieved a position of power in the court of the Persian emperor, whom he serves as a kind of imperial administrator. The name “Agag” is associated with kings of the Amalekites, a made-up people whose name the Jews, even today, use as a symbol of wicked goyness that must be blotted out.

Image

Haman is due respect as a high official but the Jew Mordecai refuses to offer him the customary signs of deference. No explanation for this is provided. Haman decides to exact revenge on all of the Jews and set in motion a plan to have them massacred. Mordecai has previously pimped his sister to the Persian emperor as a part of his harem. He told her to conceal the fact that she was a Jew. Once she has established herself as one of the emperor’s favourites, Mordecai tells her to use her influence to avert the threatened massacre of the Jews and bring Haman to ruin. This she does using trickery. Haman is executed, her brother Mordecai is appointed in his place; the enemies of the Jews are massacred and all other peoples learn to fear the power of the Jews.

Yes, like almost all Jewish festivals, this one celebrates a genocide committed against Gentiles.

But what qualities does this story hold up for admiration? Above all, cunning and skill in manipulation.

Even this week, Jews have been holding Esther up as a role model in this respect.
Though the Purim story is considered miraculous, the name of God is not mentioned in the Megillah [Book of Esther]. Perhaps it’s because another sort of power — hidden soft power — becomes our secret weapon.

..One reading of soft power might see it as manipulative and surreptitious, but in the story of Esther it is truly the saving grace.

For centuries, countersemites have alleged that Jews manipulate powerful people into doing their bidding using lies, trickery and cunning. And for thousands of years, Jews have told stories that glorify exactly those qualities. Yet when those same qualities are returned to them as a reproach, they shriek “antisemitism!”.

Incidentally, when Mike Pompeo said this week that Trump may have been put in place to help the Jews, he was echoing the text of the Book of Esther. When Esther expresses doubts about trying to manipulate the emperor, her cousin Mordecai tells her that she may have been put in place to do exactly that.
Then Mordecai commanded to answer Esther, Think not with thyself that thou shalt escape in the king’s house, more than all the Jews. For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father’s house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this?




Pompeo compares Trump to Esther, who has been pimped out as a whore to serve the needs of the Jews, which seems very fitting.


Wow. What a great find. As far as I can tell the title of the wordpress blog was diversitymachtfrei and the guy has a twitter account, https://twitter.com/czakal?lang=en, and writes for the DailyStormer, https://dailystormer.name/author/diversity-macht-frei/

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Re: Judaism and lying - is deception part of Jewish culture/religion/tradition?

Postby borjastick » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:04 pm)

There is another angle along these lines. And that is that according to one writer at least pre holocaust Judaism was Dying and only the lying helped it get a foothold and forward motion/growth for its depleted adherents. The gist of the article was that by the mid 19th century jews around the world were reducing in numbers to dangerously low levels and perhaps worse were very much not bothered with the religion itself.

This period coincided with the push for zionism and the desire by some more influential jews to get jewish suffering on the agenda so as to gain land/money/sympathy for those poor jews, perhaps six million of whom were in danger of being deaded.

This strategy worked and when Monsieur Hitler came along and understandably wanted their influence reduced, the claimed holocaust was the goose that laid the golden egg.

This subject is well covered in Garoudy's The Founding Myths of Modern Israel. Worse still was the 'selection' process, not on the ramps at Auschwitz but in the preparations for a new zionist state called israel before WW2, whereby the jews leading the zionist charge were quite happy that much jewish blood would be spilled, as that would oil the wheels for a new homeland for the jews, but not all of them.
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