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List of Fake Survivors

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 1 year 1 month ago (Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:07 pm)

The purpose of this post is to have a list of holocaust survivors who the media confirms are fake. The first one that comes to mind is Herman Rosenblat. If there is a list composed by learned revisionsts of fake survivors, it can be shown to normies, and let's them understand that just because someone CLAIMS to be a survivor, they are not necessarily a survivor.
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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby Lamprecht » 1 year 1 month ago (Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:31 pm)

Enric Marco
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/book ... marco.html or https://archive.is/ULCx9

Rosemarie Koczy
https://www.dw.com/en/artist-rosemarie- ... a-41301763 or https://archive.is/qYEiP

Marie Sophie Hingst
https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-hi ... ust-story/ or https://archive.is/26MSO

Joseph Hirt
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... -auschwitz or https://archive.is/k3se8

Misha Defonseca
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/ ... return-22m or https://archive.is/fN7MW

Herman A. Rosenblat
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/ ... nfrey-hoax or https://archive.is/AKULr

Also see:
Most Ridiculous Testimony
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Quotes from mainstream sources on unreliable/fraudulent testimonies:
Over half of the 20,000 testimonies from Holocaust survivors on record at Yad Vashem are “unreliable” and have never been used as evidence in Nazi war crimes trials [according to archives director Shmuel Krakowski], Krakowski says that many survivors, wanting “to be part of history,” may have let their imaginations run away with them.
“Many were never in the place where they claim to have witnessed atrocities, while others relied on second-hand information given them by friends or passing strangers according to Krakowski. A large number of testimonies on file were later proved inaccurate when locations and dates could not pass an expert historian’s appraisal.
SOURCE: B. Amouyal, "Doubts over evidence of camp survivors," Jerusalem Post (Israel), August 17, 1986, p. 1 download/file.php?id=2167

Many thousands of oral histories by survivors recounting their experiences exist in countries and archives around the world. Their quality and usefulness vary significantly according to the informant's memory, grasp of events, insights and of course accuracy. The longer the time lapsed [between the event and the testimony] the less likely the informant has retained freshness of recollection. The transcribed testimonies I have examined have been full of errors in dates, names of participants, and places, and there are evident misunderstandings of the events themselves. To the unwary researcher some of the accounts can be more hazard than help.
SOURCE: Dawidowicz, L. 1981. The Holocaust and the Historians. Harvard University Press. pp. 177
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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby atomMan » 1 year 1 month ago (Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:26 am)

i will check the names in this thread and add any i'm missing here...

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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby Breker » 1 year 4 weeks ago (Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:15 pm)

A rather odd, contradictory topic given one could easily say that all of those who allege to have "survived the Holocaust", which is a series of unachievable, unrealistic claims, are liars.
Anyone described as a Holocaust survivor is therefore a "Fake Survivor". A long list indeed.
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Revisionists are just the messengers, the impossibility of the "Holocaust" narrative is the message.

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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby Lamprecht » 1 year 4 weeks ago (Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:10 am)

Breker wrote:A rather odd, contradictory topic given one could easily say that all of those who allege to have "survived the Holocaust", which is a series of unachievable, unrealistic claims, are liars.
Anyone described as a Holocaust survivor is therefore a "Fake Survivor". A long list indeed.
B.

This is actually a situation I find myself in quite often. It's true, but it isn't. Many people who claim to be "Holocaust survivors" aren't really saying anything necessarily incorrect or in contrast to what revisionists claim.

What we are seeing is the fallacy of equivocation ('calling two different things by the same name') - it is an informal fallacy resulting from the use of a particular word/expression in multiple senses throughout an argument leading to a false conclusion.

So, if some random Jew says "When I was 12 the Nazis forced me onto a train and I was taken to Auschwitz. I stayed there for 6 months and was finally liberated by the Soviets.." etc.
A regular person would say "Wow, looks like the Holocaust is true. How could a denier just say him and everyone else is lying?"

That's because when people talk about 'thousands of survivors' and 'millions of documents' that supposedly 'prove the Holocaust' they are redefining 'Holocaust' in this instance to mean "The persecution of Jews by the Third Reich in the 1930-40s'

Really, to be a "Holocaust survivor" just means you were a Jew who existed in mainland Europe during WWII.
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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby Breker » 1 year 4 weeks ago (Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:42 am)

Lamprecht wrote:This is actually a situation I find myself in quite often. It's true, but it isn't. Many people who claim to be "Holocaust survivors" aren't really saying anything necessarily incorrect or in contrast to what revisionists claim.

What we are seeing is the fallacy of equivocation ('calling two different things by the same name') - it is an informal fallacy resulting from the use of a particular word/expression in multiple senses throughout an argument leading to a false conclusion.

So, if some random Jew says "When I was 12 the Nazis forced me onto a train and I was taken to Auschwitz. I stayed there for 6 months and was finally liberated by the Soviets.." etc.
A regular person would say "Wow, looks like the Holocaust is true. How could a denier just say him and everyone else is lying?"

That's because when people talk about 'thousands of survivors' and 'millions of documents' that supposedly 'prove the Holocaust' they are redefining 'Holocaust' in this instance to mean "The persecution of Jews by the Third Reich in the 1930-40s'

Really, to be a "Holocaust survivor" just means you were a Jew who existed in mainland Europe during WWII.

I'm not really onboard with all of that. Whatever they say they are intentionally attaching it to the falsity of "6,000,000 Jews and gas chambers".
They themselves claim to have been a 'near miss, or the usual "miracle" to have escaped what they fraudulently claimed to have seen.
They collect cash from various sources, with the speaking fees & appearances, they promote the lies for profit and self aggrandizement.
They do not just say "When I was 12 the Nazis forced me onto a train and I was taken to Auschwitz. I stayed there for 6 months and was finally liberated by the Soviets" and leave it there. No chance, they add in lies which they know will keep the money, influence, and sympathy flowing to themselves and Jews in general. All of them.
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Revisionists are just the messengers, the impossibility of the "Holocaust" narrative is the message.

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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 1 year 4 weeks ago (Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:39 pm)

Breker wrote:
Lamprecht wrote:they add in lies which they know will keep the money, influence, and sympathy flowing to themselves and Jews in general. All of them.
B.


Keep in mind there are 4 types of holocaust survivors. They are:

1: Jew who lived in Europe during WWII.

2: Jew who escaped Europe during WWII.

3: Jew sent to a concentration camp - details not exaggerated.

4: Jew sent to a concentration camp - details exaggerated.

And if they say they were sent to a camp, and even wrongly claim that their relatives were gassed, they are not necessarily lying. They are just repeating wartime propaganda. That isn't to say that they don't lie. But to say they are all lying is wrong IMO. Everyone makes mistakes.
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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby Hieldner » 1 year 4 weeks ago (Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:11 pm)

»[Holocaust soap] odor, if captured and retained… would preserve the core of an individual soul… The undesirable smell of the extract spoke of the spectral Derridian trace… that continued to remind its consumers of their own bio-ontology.«—B. Shallcross

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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby Breker » 1 year 4 weeks ago (Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:30 am)

JLAD Prove Me Wrong wrote:
Keep in mind there are 4 types of holocaust survivors. They are:

1: Jew who lived in Europe during WWII.

2: Jew who escaped Europe during WWII.

3: Jew sent to a concentration camp - details not exaggerated.

4: Jew sent to a concentration camp - details exaggerated.

And if they say they were sent to a camp, and even wrongly claim that their relatives were gassed, they are not necessarily lying. They are just repeating wartime propaganda. That isn't to say that they don't lie. But to say they are all lying is wrong IMO. Everyone makes mistakes.

1. Rather make that alleged "survivors". Those who lived in Europe and who make such a claim are necessarily liars since there as no attempt to exterminate them, which they falsely allege as being the case.
2, Those that claim to have "escaped" what never occurred are necessarily liars as they cannot produce proof of escaping exterminations that they claim to have "escaped".
3. Jews sent to work sites who do not exaggerate cannot be "Holocaust survivors" . Those who make such a claim are necessarily liars by their own words.
4. Jews sent to various sites who then exaggerated their experience, which all did for reasons given previously, cannot be "Holocaust survivors" since that experience is "exaggerated", did not occur. Those who make such exaggerations are necessarily liars as proven by their need to exaggerate.

Making claims about their relatives when they necessarily know they have no proof of their claims, and repeating wartime propaganda which they did not experience makes them liars.

Ergo, all those who claim to be "Holocaust survivors", regardless of attempted spin, are necessarily "fake survivors".
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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby Hieldner » 1 year 6 days ago (Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:37 pm)

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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby Lamprecht » 7 months 4 days ago (Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:58 pm)

Samuel Artale, courtesy of Zulu: viewtopic.php?t=13097

Samuel Artale von Belsky Levi completely fabricated his "Holocaust" story. He claims to have been born in Germany but actually he was born in Italy. The article says he testified for decades about being in "extermination camp" Auschwitz but there are no records showing he was in any camp or even deported from Italy during WWII.
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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby Zulu » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:53 pm)

Otto Uthgenannt
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According to Otto UTHGENANNT, member of the Jewish community in Oldenburg, who brought tears to tears with the description of the martyrdom of his five years in Buchenwald. When it turned out that he was neither a Jew nor a prisoner, he announced in the "Anzeiger für Harlingerland": "Then I apologize. I am 77 years old, I just meant it well. ”His camp ailments? "They don't quite apply," because he has a "good imagination", is a "good swindler".
Another false testimony of the "gas chambers" of Buchenwald is unmasked.
Called the false sufferings of Otto Uth
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72 relatives, the man with the kippa tells the students, had been lost by the Nazis. His father, mother and three years younger sister - they all died in Buchenwald concentration camp, he says. He survived the camp as the only family member: Otto Uthgenannt , born on May 28, 1935 in Göttingen, today 77 years old.

Otto Uthgenannt impressively describes the horror of Buchenwald to the students. What he keeps silent: He never experienced it himself.

In the last minute

Cold fog sticks on Weimar's Ettersberg, the last visitors fold up their coat collars. The memorial closes shortly, but you can still walk through the notorious camp gate, for example 150 steps straight ahead and 80 steps to the left, there are the foundations of Block 8. Block 8 was a children's barrack, it could have lived here, Otto Uthgenannt and his friend Daniel, who was supposed to die on the day the concentration camp was liberated.

There is an essay by Uthgenannt about Buchenwald, which he wrote in the 90s. In it he wrote that the Nazis wanted to send Daniel to the gas chamber. But: there were gas chambers in Auschwitz, not in Buchenwald.

Today Uthgenannt tells students that Daniel should be shot. There were shootings in Buchenwald.

Childish memories can be wrong, "We are very tolerant there," says Dr. Harry Stein , curator for the history of the Buchenwald memorial. According to Otto Uthgenannt, he was five years old when he and his family were deported to Buchenwald in 1940. And he was not even ten years old when the American soldiers came on April 11, 1945 to literally save his friend Daniel at the last minute. "Who shouldn't believe in angels who are never late?" He asked the pupils during his performances in Wildeshausen, in Jade or in Wilhelmshaven. I believe in angels, he says.
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Wrong concentration camp prisoner admits mistakes

For the first time, the alleged concentration camp prisoner Otto Uthgenannt made public statements about the NWZ reports, which prove his story of suffering as fictitious. When asked about the “Anzeiger für Harlingerland” in his adopted home of Wittmund, he said: “Then I apologize. I am 77 years old, I just meant it well. ”

When asked about his experiences in the Buchenwald concentration camp, he admitted: "They don't quite apply." He had a "good imagination", was a "good swindler," he said, according to the newspaper. He did not want to go into the specific allegations: "I am too old for that, it takes too much strength."

Uthgenannt had reported for years in schools and at commemorative events about his five years in prison as a Jewish child in the Buchenwald concentration camp. The Holocaust claimed that he had lost 72 relatives, including father, mother and sister.
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Re: List of Fake Survivors

Postby cold beer » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:09 am)

There was a woman who was the key speaker at a conference for either the FBI or the NSA 'educating' agents on the holocaust. The agency claimed that holocaust education was vital for national security. She was exposed as a fraud.
If anyone recalls this story please help locate it.


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