wyit @Wyatt1116 Mar 27
However even with all this evidence that cant be refuted. You still need somebody to admit to the crime. We have that person. Rudolf hoess. The commendant of the camp. You should read his open court testimony (not a document he signed under torture) https://www.famous-trials.com/nuremberg ... stestimony
wyit @Wyatt1116 Mar 27
Ultimately it was this testimony that allowed me to reach the final conclusion that history is as it was written and there was no "hoax". People will complain about the hoess testimony and nuremburg as a whole and they have some points. but the reality is this.
rudolf hoess was tortured. We know this from allied soldiers biographies. However him being tortured can only be used as an argument for him to sign a confession. or some other thing like giving up other nazis locations. It cannot be used to coerce somebody to testify in court.
5:07 PM - 27 Mar 2019
So Wyatt admits Hoess was tortured before making statements at the Nuremberg show trials, but his testimony is still credible. Why? If someone tortures you until you do what they say, wouldn't you expect them to torture you even worse if you flip-flopped? He claims torture cannot possibly coerce someone into making false testimony in court. I'd like to see him tell that to a lawyer...
More on Hoess' torture:
Commandant of Auschwitz—Rudolf Höss, His Torture and His Forced Confessions
In the above text you will find that not only was Hoess tortured, but they threatened to send his son to Siberia.
In another thread Wyatt claims:
viewtopic.php?p=93710#p93710Im not in denial i just go by evidence and realism. Witness testimony is only useful if it is backed up by documents or other evidence. In the case of "2000" being gassed at a time per gas chamber. There simply is no evidence other than some witness testimony.
Yet, from the link he posted on twitter:
"7 Another improvement we made over Treblinka was that we built our gas chamber to accommodate 2,000 people at one time whereas at Treblinka their 10 gas chambers only accommodated 200 people each..."
Is that all true and correct, Witness?
Hoess also claims the following is true in that transcript:
I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease making a total dead of about 3,000,000.
But even Wyatt knows that is just not true.
English historian and 'Holocaust' believer Mark Roseman in his 2002 book "The Wannsee Conference and the Final Solution: A Reconsideration" claims:
"Both Rudolf Hoess's and Eichmann's testimonies lack credibility."
Hoess also claimed that the workers ate and smoked while dragging out the cyanide covered corpses, the bodies were removed immediately from the chambers (rather than waiting for ventilation), and that gas masks weren't even used. He also said that they scooped the fat from burning corpses and poured it back over them, which is impossible.
Wyatt, being a purveyor of conspiracy theories, will simply ignore the fact that Hoess got basically everything wrong on this, and say "well, he admitted that gassings happened!" Wyatt will also claim all of the testimonies by Nazis that gassings did not occur was just them lying; even though there is no document proving that jews were gassed with Zyclon-B.
Initially, SS-Hauptsturmführer Josef Kramer claimed:
"I have heard of the allegations of former prisoners in Auschwitz referring to a gas chamber there, the mass executions and whippings, the cruelty of the guards employed, and that all this took place either in my presence or with my knowledge. All I can say to all this is that it is untrue from beginning to end."
Kramer later claimed that "The gas chamber existed, there is no doubt about it" once he realized what the nature of the trial was. This is a perfect example of the standard strategy for the defense: the defendant "knew" but was not "responsible" for the gassing of Jews.
Hans Aumeier, deputy commandant of Auschwitz, said in a statement on 29 June 1945:
"In the main camp was one crematorium with two ovens... During my time tie two or three crematoria were built at Berkenau. I know nothing about gas chambers, and no prisoner was gassed in my time."
Dr. Horst Pelckmann, defense counsel for the SS at Nuremberg, exposed the fact that over 97% of the SS men who mentioned "The Jewish Problem" denied that it was to be solved by extermination. On 21 August 1946 (IMT Proceedings, vol. 21, p. 368): "On the question of whether the SS members recognized the destruction of Jewry as an aim of the leaders, 1,593 out of 1,637 affidavits which mention this problem state that the Jewish problem was not to be solved by killing..."
And why are those testimonies nonsense, but Hoess is credible?