Challenge to Believer 'Pon' on so called "Eyewitnesses"

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Re: Challenge to Believer 'Pon' on so called "Eyewitnesses"

Postby Lamprecht » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:45 pm)

Has nothing to do with the eyewitnesses. Some time this week I will make a thread challenge to Pon on physical evidence / mass graves. Unless he wants it sooner and isn't done with this topic... Still many unanswered points about his claimed "eyewitnesses"
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Re: Challenge to Believer 'Pon' on so called "Eyewitnesses"

Postby Hektor » 4 months 4 weeks ago (Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:52 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:...
Yehuda Bakon
Your quote on "Yehuda Bacon" (or Bakon) is from the Eichmann trial in the 1960s. Did he not have plenty of time to go around reading other testimonies to decide what to claim?

Bakon was deported to Auschwitz at only the age of 14, so we are trusting the memory (and, of course, honesty) of a teenager after many decades. Bakon's claims contradict Tauber and Kula's. He claims that the Leichenkeller 1 of Krema III was split into 2 sections, whereas Tauber states that this was the case for Krema II only. Additionally, his claim that they were "pipes" with "four iron columns surrounded by strong wire" contradicts Kula and Tauber. It's just a hodgepodge of these two and Nyiszli (who speaks of "square sheet-iron pipes").

In Bakon's drawings, the supposed 'chimney' in which the Zyklon-B pellets were supposedly poured into is missing, he claimed that the lid was resting directly onto the ceiling. And he claims to have personally witnessed it first-hand, and even going as far to claim he actually opened one and looked inside. He said that the holes were topped with wooden covers, but Tauber claimed that they were concrete lids. Instead of being killed for having allegedly witnessed all of this, Bakon was deported out of Auschwitz and was liberated at Gunskirchen camp.

Why should we believe this guy? The most likely scenario is that he read a few other people's testimonies and then tried to merge them all together by memory at the trial. Maybe he wrote down some notes. Was he adequately cross examined? Eichmann was prevented from having an adequate defense in this trial, more details can be given. But really, pointing out that it was in Israel, so the judge, jury and executioner were all the aggrieved party really explains it succinctly.

Yehuda Bacon or Jehuda Bakon at the Eichmann show trial:

Interview for the USC Shoah Foundation:

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