EU Court Rules "Holocaust Denial" Not Protected by Rights Law

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EU Court Rules "Holocaust Denial" Not Protected by Rights Law

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:50 pm)

According to https://www.courthousenews.com/eu-court ... ights-law/

Settling a years-long dispute, the European Court of Human Rights ruled Thursday that denying the Holocaust happened is not protected expression under Europe’s human rights convention.

A seven-judge panel found that far-right German politician Udo Pastörs had “intentionally stated untruths in order to defame the Jews and the persecution that they had suffered during the Second World War.”


German troops reach Vienna, Austria, on March 24, 1938, shortly after the annexation of Austria into Nazi Germany. (AP Photo)
On Holocaust Remembrance Day in 2010, Pastörs, then a member of the local parliament in the German state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, made a speech in which he claimed the commemorations were “theater” and claimed that “the so-called Holocaust is being used for political and commercial purposes.”

He was convicted in 2012 of violating the memory of the dead and of the intentional defamation of the Jewish people. He lodged a complaint with the European Court of Human Rights in 2014 after exhausting his legal options in Germany.

The Strasbourg-based court was created by the European Union Convention on Human Rights in 1953 and hears cases on political freedom and human rights within the 28-member bloc.

On Thursday, the court categorically denied Pastörs’ claim that his statements were protected under Article 10 of the Convention, which protects freedom of expression.

“States that have experienced the Nazi horrors may be regarded as having a special moral responsibility to distance themselves from the mass atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis,” the ruling states. “The court therefore considers that the applicant’s impugned statements affected the dignity of the Jews to the point that they justified a criminal-law response.”

It continues, “Even though the applicant’s sentence of eight months’ imprisonment, suspended on probation, was not insignificant, the court considers that the domestic authorities adduced relevant and sufficient reasons and did not overstep their margin of appreciation. The interference [to expression] was therefore proportionate to the legitimate aim pursued and was thus ‘necessary in a democratic society.’”

Pastörs also claimed that his right to a fair trial had been infringed, as two of the judges in his German cases were married. The judges sat at different levels of jurisdiction during the process. This isn’t forbidden under German or international law and subsequent rulings in the case were upheld by unrelated judged.

The judges on the Court of Human Rights wrote that Pastörs had “not given any concrete arguments why a professional judge – being married to another professional judge – should be biased.”

This wasn’t the first time Pastörs, who is a clockmaker by trade, had run afoul of Germany authorities. He was convicted of sedition in 2010 and fined 6,000 euros, or about $6,500, for calling Turkish-German men “semen cannons” and referring to Germany as a “Jew Republic.”


This is foolishness. The purpose free speech is to protect unpopular speech, not popular speech. Otherwise it needs no protection. To say that holocaust revisionism is not free speech is false.
If your beliefs cannot stand up to your own sincere scrutiny and skeptical evaluation, they are not worth having.

https://freespeechmonika.wordpress.com/ ... t-details/

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Re: EU Court Rules "Holocaust Denial" Not Protected by Rights Law

Postby Breker » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:10 am)

from that article:
States that have experienced the Nazi horrors may be regarded as having a special moral responsibility to distance themselves from the mass atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis,” the ruling states. “The court therefore considers that the applicant’s impugned statements affected the dignity of the Jews to the point that they justified a criminal-law response.”

But the alleged "horrors" they speak of have cannot be proven therefore they need to silence all inquiry and research findings which demonstrate they are wrong.
Their insane logic is that it happened because they say it happened. That's exactly what corrupt, oppressive authoritarian governments do.
If there was proof they would most certainly welcome debate, examination, and research into the matter.
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Revisionists are just the messengers, the impossibility of the "Holocaust" narrative is the message.

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Re: EU Court Rules "Holocaust Denial" Not Protected by Rights Law

Postby Hektor » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:51 am)

. His speech was not to be understood as such a denial, but as a criticism of the culture of remembrance, as upheld by the German
establishment. Its purpose had not been to deny the suffering of Jewish victims but to call for an honouring of the suffering of “German” victims as
well. His statements did not fall within the ambit of Article 17 of the Convention. As a Member of the Parliament of the Land of MecklenburgWestern Pomerania, he benefitted from non-liability for statements made in Parliament, and interferences with his right to freedom of expression called
for the closest scrutiny.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-conte ... ruling.pdf


He wasn't even accused of "Holocaust Denial", but because he stated the obvious fact that "Holocaust Remembrance"is used for political and commercial gain.


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Re: EU Court Rules "Holocaust Denial" Not Protected by Rights Law

Postby forasanerworld » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:33 pm)

"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"; case proven mi'lud.

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Re: EU Court Rules "Holocaust Denial" Not Protected by Rights Law

Postby Mortimer » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:27 am)

"Je Suis Charlie" said the EU politicians after the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack. The EU courts certainly don't think along these lines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Je_suis_Charlie
There are 2 sides to every story - always listen or read both points of view and make up your own mind. Don't let others do your thinking for you.


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