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NFrNJ says: '1.4M Jews shot by Germans and auxillaries'

Postby Moderator » 9 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:03 pm)

In order to facilitate an orderly debate I have made this thread for discussion about a post made by registrant NFrNJ, quoted below.

It was originally posed in this thread:
Hilarious "21 Questions for Holocaust Revisionists" graphic
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I assume he/she will respond to rebuttals, comments.
Thanks.
NFrNJ wrote:"what would be surprising is to use 3,000 men to exterminate millions of Jews." said Lamprecht.

should that not be "use 3,000 men to organise the mass shooting of about 1.4 million jews, using local forces, with support from the local police, army and auxiliary units"?

not millions... and not all by themselves.
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Re: NFrNJ says: '1.4M Jews shot by Germans and auxillaries'

Postby Hannover » 9 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:25 pm)

We are curious as to what proof NFrNJ has to show us.
Please present your proof, NFrNJ.

And as usual, his number reflects the fact that the accusers cannot keep their lies straight, as in the ever changing numbers, contradicting claims, and increasingly, retreats

Actually, the 'holocau$t' Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, some even say more. These alleged enormous mass graves & immense human remains are claimed to exist in specifically known places, yet we never see these claimed remains.
So, is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?

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No alleged human remains of millions upon millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no 'holocaust'.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: NFrNJ says: '1.4M Jews shot by Germans and auxillaries'

Postby NFrNJ » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:19 pm)

I cannot vouch for those who you say now claim those figures - I have not done so. The 1.4 million figure seems to be based on the actual operational reports so far as i can see. However whether it is one million or two, or any number in between, isn't the point , is it? The point was that Lamprecht was clearly suggesting that the 3000 men were supposed to have done all the work by themselves without any support.

It is that claim I would suggest is disingenuous. All the exterminationists say that they were aided by local forces and the army, and that they acted to co-ordinate the actions, as well as take part in them. A relatively small cadre of men would do that job quite adequately.

If the holes in the exterminationist argument are so great, there is no need to pretend that they claim things they do not - I think that is called straw man building, adn to do so undermines the impact of the Revisionist argument. If revisionists cannot be seen to argue without having to resort to fallacies and lies then why would anyone believe that side of the argument at all? Isn't that the same charge that revisionists make against the exterminationists?

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Re: NFrNJ says: '1.4M Jews shot by Germans and auxillaries'

Postby Hannover » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:03 pm)

NFrNJ wrote:I cannot vouch for those who you say now claim those figures - I have not done so. The 1.4 million figure seems to be based on the actual operational reports so far as i can see. However whether it is one million or two, or any number in between, isn't the point , is it? The point was that Lamprecht was clearly suggesting that the 3000 men were supposed to have done all the work by themselves without any support.

It is that claim I would suggest is disingenuous. All the exterminationists say that they were aided by local forces and the army, and that they acted to co-ordinate the actions, as well as take part in them. A relatively small cadre of men would do that job quite adequately.

If the holes in the exterminationist argument are so great, there is no need to pretend that they claim things they do not - I think that is called straw man building, adn to do so undermines the impact of the Revisionist argument. If revisionists cannot be seen to argue without having to resort to fallacies and lies then why would anyone believe that side of the argument at all? Isn't that the same charge that revisionists make against the exterminationists?

The fact is that you DID say 1.4 million, while the "Holocaust Industry" claims 2 million or more, depending on who is doing the most lying.
You said:
should that not be "use 3,000 men to organise the mass shooting of about 1.4 million jews

So, what "operational reports" are you supposedly referring to? Please show them to us.

Please present proof that "local forces" or any forces were involved in killing your now waffling figures of "one million or two".

Since you cannot prove your claimed "Revisionist fallacies and lies" I suggest that you are desperately projecting your own reliance on "fallacies and lies" onto Revisionists .... who rather easily have debunked the impossible claims.

And while you're at it, and since it is claimed that the human remains exist in known locations, please show us those claimed human remains.

- Hannover

The claimed '6M Jews & 5M others' is one helluva a lot of human remains to just disappear. That alleged 11M equals the population of London.
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Re: NFrNJ says: '1.4M Jews shot by Germans and auxillaries'

Postby Lamprecht » 9 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:51 pm)

Will NFrNJ:
1. Post a better answer to the question #1?
Or
2. Address the challenge in Hannover's post?
Or
3. Continue complaining about my omission of a particular detail in his/the author's fantastical & fictional "Holocaust" story?

NFrNJ:
clearly suggesting that the 3000 men were supposed to have done all the work by themselves without any support.

I agree that I could have been more specific about that because it is the standard storyline, so your initial point (that the "official story" includes local collaborating groups) is appreciated. The dodging however is not.

The question I was quoting did not specify anything of the sort with these local groups, and it was a response only to the questions. But of course, just because the 21 questions uses all sorts of strawman arguments isn't an excuse for me to have been careless with even one sentence of the hundreds I posted in response...

It still is ridiculous that they would have used only 3,000 of their own men for this alleged genocide, I contend. So we are to expect that the local forces which would have outnumbered them would be happy to go from town to town killing every Jew for no reason, keeping it top secret, and never turning around and executing these 500-1000 Germans instead? Never would they plot any sort of ambush? Hmmm... Maybe. But something being theoretically possible doesn't mean it happened, but the alternative case means it did not.

A better choice perhaps would be to conscript these local populations into normal warfare and use only a handful as guides and translators. But this is all hypothetical, since the alleged extermination of Jews is a fictional event.

It also would have been ridiculous for those involved in the moon landing to have used some moon "rocks" as cheese for a cheeseburger. But that is all contingent upon the moon being made of cheese, which is not true in the first place, so the particular details are meaningless.


Isn't that the same charge that revisionists make against the exterminationists?

Well you can read this yourself being done in the 21 questions, the author is obviously not very well read on the topic and does exactly that, it is perhaps the primary strategy of the exterminationists. Not that it justifies revisionists doing the same thing, but I don't equate a detail omission with a strawman in the first place. If that part was added to my brief response, you could have pulled out any number of other details and complain about my omission of them.

The reality is: since the alleged "extermination of jews" did not take place in the first place, the specific details are actually irrelevant.

What is most curious that you do not try to answer the question #1 better, nor do you try to answer the challenge in the OP of this thread. You merely reiterate the exact same thing that you already said. And I suspect that your next reply (if it happens) will do the very same thing.

whether it is one million or two, or any number in between, isn't the point , is it?

Sure it is the point. As is the entire accusation of an extermination policy, which you appear unable to substantiate.

All you are doing is complaining that someone who does not believe in your ridiculous fantasy has not explained it in exactly the way you wish it was, and then dodging the challenge to prove it actually happened in the way you allege. Surely if you reply again, you will reiterate how much this minor detail ommission bothers you - something us "Deniers" have experienced in nearly every single discussion we have had on this issue. I guess we're just used to it though.

there is no need to pretend that they claim things they do not

So I take it that you are admitting to being the author of the laughable 21 questions, or a personal acquaintance of him/her who has been explicitly told that the author does in fact state what you are saying they believe? I don't accept the premise that you are telepathic and can actually know what the author believes. :)
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