[I have merged this post with this thread. Thanks, M1
This is my first post on the CODOH forum as I feel I have something to add.
Bit of background on my journey and newcomer here: As a teen I visited Auschwitz and immediately couldn’t believe the stories, they seemed grotesque and not grounded in reality which made me a doubter.
Though I was captivated by this story, in my beginning twenties I visited the main camps, Treblinka, again Auschwitz & Sobibor and also visited Nurnberg. Especially my visit to Treblinka left in me in awe. No proof, no mass graves, the worst atrocity there is a shared pamphlet in the museum announcing the executions of criminals. (All very transparent and rule based as I would expect of the protestant Germans)
So shortening it a bit down, my step 1: No there has been no extermination, I’m convinced of that
But that left step 2: Where did they go?
I have seen enough proof of many people being transported in Western Europe to the camps that I need to answer this question. I think the 6 million are exaggerated, but at least a million.
In short that I think that that has been Russia, found some sources that convinced me that I haven’t seen shared before.
American Jew Activist James N. Rosenberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_N._Rosenberg
thanks Russia for accepting 1.750.000 jews
in 1943 written up in a telegram of the JTA (Jewish Telegraphic Agency)
“of some 1,750,000 Jews who succeeded in escaping the Axis since the outbreak of hostilities, about 1,600,000 were evacuated by the Soviet Government from Eastern Poland and subsequently occupied Soviet territory and transported far into the Russian interior and beyond the Urals. About 150,000 others managed to reach Palestine, the United States, and other countries beyond the seas.”
“We Jews,” Mr. Rosenberg said, “rightly give thanks for the innumerable resolutions of sympathy for Jews, adopted by well-meaning men and groups horrified by the hideous tragedy which has befallen our people. Russia has chosen deeds. She has given life, asylum, bread, and shelter to a vast Jewish population. These facts
are not sufficiently known. To make them known to every Jew in this country is a task of supreme importance for the Jewish Council for Russian War Relief. Need I ask what would have happened to those Jews had Russia left them where they were?”
I had to laugh this is so open and all is based on reports of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace organization.https://www.jta.org/1943/07/02/archive/russia-helped-1750000-jews-to-escape-nazis-says-james-n-rosenberg
Also read the official telegramhttp://pdfs.jta.org/1943/1943-07-02_153.pdf?_ga=2.162822840.509101817.1609241487-677962530.1609241487
Rosenberg, JTA, Carnegie foundation are all top influencers in that time. This line was advancing their mission back then: Get more funding for the Jews in Russia. After the war they changed position and story fully. To me this story is more trustable: in line with German documents on transports, supported by the large influx in Jews in Russia.
There are quite some public stories on multiple people that did this move as refugees. This documentary “Saved by Deportation” beautifully shows this with stories of Jews being saved by Stalin
transported to the east. They though bumped down the numbers a lot today. No 1.750.000 jews, but thousands.https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1260395/
Even population statistics in Uzbekistan shows an 88% growth of jews between 1939 and 1959, I’m quite sure those are refugees. Even though I don’t trust numbers in Russia a lot after WW2.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Uzbekistan
And then thinking about Treblinka, where the Russian rail track size met the European track size, it becomes quite clear to me.
What I think: Germans probably had an (unwritten) deal with the Russians.
In simple talk: Germans: “We want to get rid of the Jews. Do you want them?”
Russia: “Yes we will take your refugees, if you ….” (I have no clue what they demanded in return, but just the deal below is already quite good)
Thinking of Russia in that situation that would quite an interesting proposal, as they didn’t hate jews like the germans and were even having a strong jew presence in government.
- You can let all the young strong guys coming in fight directly to the enemy that expelled them. (Free conscription)
- They are quite an educated workforce that might bring growth and prosperity to severely underpopulated areas in East Russia.
- You can let them work for several years in the Siberian Work camps for free (like in the documentary) and I’m feel sure a lot of them died here, Siberia is a lot harsher than a German led work camp I’m sure reading Solzjenitsyn.
Anyhow a good deal for both!
Which leaves me to a question, if this is true, why did this not common knowledge?
After the war there was no advantage for the Russians to tell this truth.
The reality is they were simply accepting refugees, where Russia believed it was to their advantage to accept them. The story that Germany killed them all was politically far more advantageous for America, Jews and Russia after the war.
By portraying the Germans as bad mass killers the Americans were legitimized to grab strong presence in Europe after WW2 instrumentalized with the fake Nurnberg trials and the holocaust lies. America and Russia could divide the evil German territory after the war on the premise that they defeated this bad bad hitler strongly benefitting their interest.
They captured the heart of Europe and since then Europe has been under American, Russian and Jew occupation with the disasters we are seeing played out today.
Also the Jews have no incentive to tell this story, they can get billions of European euros as reparations for bad German killers. Next to that they can push their internationalism agenda vs the bad nationalist Hitlers in Europe today.
We will never get political backing for this theory, but personally I’m 95% sure this is how it went. Jews, Russians and Americans benefited greatly and still benefit of this blatant lie.
The only ones not benefitting are the cucked Europeans, who seem to love to be punished for their sins, they and their forefathers didn’t do. It’s sad but true. The amount of Jewish influence in politics and the money sent to Israel in all Western European states is horrifying. National identities in Europe are being slaughtered in the current vibe. And most countries are run by normative mommies humiliating men.
I’m just talking simple language, it’s all nuanced, Germans killed jews, shot them, but talking big numbers, I’m quite sure this is the main story of the Jews in WW2. For me this a conclusive answer to the plus million deported. That James Rosenberg message is so clear and telling.
Then why didn’t more stories from Russia pop up?
Russia has been closed down for many years. And after the war and after the collapse of communism there were 2 large batches of emigration of Jews all across the world and to Israel. And many people that encountered this ww2 transfer to Russia will have died there before 1989, we will never hear those stories.
And they did move. Between 1990 and 2000 Germany accepted +100.000 Jews from Russia further speeding up the Jewish narrative of internationalism in the European states that Rosenberg already wrote down. We all see the harm that open immigration of muslims are doing to the wide diverse identity of Europe.
We will not know all.
But 1 thing I know, this take on history what I consider truth is 100 times more likely than skin lamps, smashed babies and laughing German slaugtherers.
It’s depressing how the European people are being lied to and abused for all these years. I notice I got more political than I wanted in this post, but I feel the need to place this in the context of recent history and need to get this off my chest, i find it hard to see my family and people be subverted to humanitarian lies and false prophets.
Curious to hear your thoughts. Probably historians worked on this theory. Would love love to get some pointers / sources to get more depth on it. Criticism ofcourse welcome, I'm just a simple man trying to make sense in a web of lies.