Ryan Faulk vs Sergey from Holocaust Controversies #ProvenAtNuremberg

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Re: Ryan Faulk vs Sergey from Holocaust Controversies #ProvenAtNuremberg

Postby Lamprecht » 2 days 4 hours ago (Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:50 pm)

HMSendeavour wrote:
Lamprecht wrote:Iona Nikitchenko, one of the three main drafters of the London Charter and the Soviet Union's judge at the Nuremberg trials, stated before the Tribunal convened:
"We are dealing here with the chief war criminals who have already been convicted and whose conviction has been already announced by both the Moscow and Crimea [Yalta] declarations by the heads of the [Allied] governments... The whole idea is to secure quick and just punishment for the crime."
and
"If... the judge is supposed to be impartial, it would only lead to unnecessary delays."

What are the sources for these quotes?

International Conference on Military Trials, London: Minutes of Conference Session of June 29, 1945
https://web.archive.org/web/20041210174 ... jack17.htm

From his wikipedia page:
"Nikitchenko dissented against the acquittals of Hjalmar Schacht, Franz von Papen and Hans Fritzsche, and argued for a death sentence for Rudolf Hess... Nikitchenko also found the majority judgments incorrect with regard to the Reich Cabinet, the German General Staff and the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht. Having never before written a dissenting opinion—these being unheard of in Soviet jurisprudence—and being unsure of the form of such an opinion, Nikitchenko was assisted in writing his dissents by his fellow judge Norman Birkett."

And people still take this trial seriously? :lol:
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Re: Ryan Faulk vs Sergey from Holocaust Controversies #ProvenAtNuremberg

Postby Hektor » 1 day 3 hours ago (Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:29 am)

Lamprecht wrote:
HMSendeavour wrote:
Lamprecht wrote:Iona Nikitchenko, one of the three main drafters of the London Charter and the Soviet Union's judge at the Nuremberg trials, stated before the Tribunal convened:
"We are dealing here with the chief war criminals who have already been convicted and whose conviction has been already announced by both the Moscow and Crimea [Yalta] declarations by the heads of the [Allied] governments... The whole idea is to secure quick and just punishment for the crime."
and
"If... the judge is supposed to be impartial, it would only lead to unnecessary delays."

What are the sources for these quotes?

International Conference on Military Trials, London: Minutes of Conference Session of June 29, 1945
https://web.archive.org/web/20041210174 ... jack17.htm

From his wikipedia page:
"Nikitchenko dissented against the acquittals of Hjalmar Schacht, Franz von Papen and Hans Fritzsche, and argued for a death sentence for Rudolf Hess... Nikitchenko also found the majority judgments incorrect with regard to the Reich Cabinet, the German General Staff and the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht. Having never before written a dissenting opinion—these being unheard of in Soviet jurisprudence—and being unsure of the form of such an opinion, Nikitchenko was assisted in writing his dissents by his fellow judge Norman Birkett."

And people still take this trial seriously? :lol:


Those 'trials' were dubious, not only by virtue of the Soviet presence and influence.

And there were critical voices about the IMT already at an early stage:
https://archive.org/details/Doenitz-at- ... eappraisal

Still they managed to become an "example" for "How to deal with crimes against humanity". And some even laud the fact that "the criminals were given a trial" and "were not just killed". Never mind that it made even a bigger farce of the whole affair. On the other hand the collection of documents has got indeed some historical value. It's just useless to prove "Nazi crimes against humanity" in the scientific sense. In fact the collection of texts and circumstantial points do exculpate the accused to a large degree.


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